Just watched an interview with Bruce Dowbriggin. He has reviewed Jim Joyce's MLB umpiring career and concluded that he is such a poor performer he would have been fired a long time ago but is being protected by the umpires union. Apparently, he is rarely chosen to umpire important games such as the playoffs or World Series.
The Perfect game that was NOT!!!
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I'll take Mariano Rivera's word over Bruce Dowbiggin's.
Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said about Joyce:
"It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame .
They should do the same as the NFL.
Give the manager a couple of challenges per game, but not for balls and strikes.
Plus the other umps should step in and decide if a play should be reviewed by all of them.
Give the manager a couple of challenges per game, but not for balls and strikes.
Plus the other umps should step in and decide if a play should be reviewed by all of them.
Curt Schilling on the call:
By Curt Schilling
Umpires … Yeah, they're human.
Lord knows I had my share of disputes, and I'll be first in line to say there are umpires in the big leagues who have no business being there. I do believe they should be held to a standard, a major league standard in all aspects of everything they do.
Having said that, I watched in horror Wednesday night as Armando Galarraga lost a perfect game because of a blown call by umpire Jim Joyce. My heart broke for two reasons. First off, the kid did it. He threw a perfect game that was ruined by a bad call.
The second reason was Jim Joyce does not -- and will not -- deserve 99 percent of the stupid things people will say about him in the coming days. Jim Joyce is, and always has been, an exceptional umpire and a fantastic guy. I had my run-ins with him; not often, but we did.
"I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."
Joyce is a rare bird for this reason. He'll be the first to admit, as he did Wednesday, when he makes a mistake. He's a damn good umpire, incredibly consistent, which wins him votes with hitters and pitchers, but most of all accountable. That's the one thing so many young umpires have failed, and continue to fail to realize. We gripe a lot, too much sometimes, as players. Hitters gripe about strikes, pitchers gripe about balls.
Too many umpires fail to realize the quickest way to shut a player up is to admit when you are wrong. What can I do when an umpire says "Yep, missed it"?
The answer? Nothing. The great ones, Steve Palermo, Ed Rapuano, Jim Joyce, to name a few, do that, and always have. Frank Pulli didn't admit it much, but often enough that you never got too mad.
Calling it the biggest call of his career, Joyce said, "I just cost that kid a perfect game. I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."
Umpires have been in the news far too much lately. The incident with Bill Hohn, who tossed Roy Oswalt over the weekend, was a shining example of what's wrong with umpires. Too many are trying to be the game, instead of umpire the game. Angel Hernandez did it on Tuesday night in the ninth inning in Toronto. He did make the right call, but there is a right way and wrong way to handle it. Angel was always good to me, and I respected him, but I always thought his confrontational attitude got him more detractors than he deserved as well as pushed him into more arguments.
Joe West? Same thing. Despite what some say, the guy is a good umpire. Smaller strike zone than I would have liked, but Joe was always consistent -- strike one was strike three. His attitude and demeanor get him into more arguments than his calls, I think.
So yeah, Jim Joyce made a call Wednesday he'll never forget, for all the wrong reasons, he changed history I guess. But I would ask you, if you know baseball, to trust me when I tell you NO ONE feels worse than he does right now, not even Armando Galarraga, I give you my word on that.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100603/baseball-tonight-clubhouse
By Curt Schilling
Umpires … Yeah, they're human.
Lord knows I had my share of disputes, and I'll be first in line to say there are umpires in the big leagues who have no business being there. I do believe they should be held to a standard, a major league standard in all aspects of everything they do.
Having said that, I watched in horror Wednesday night as Armando Galarraga lost a perfect game because of a blown call by umpire Jim Joyce. My heart broke for two reasons. First off, the kid did it. He threw a perfect game that was ruined by a bad call.
The second reason was Jim Joyce does not -- and will not -- deserve 99 percent of the stupid things people will say about him in the coming days. Jim Joyce is, and always has been, an exceptional umpire and a fantastic guy. I had my run-ins with him; not often, but we did.
"I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."
Joyce is a rare bird for this reason. He'll be the first to admit, as he did Wednesday, when he makes a mistake. He's a damn good umpire, incredibly consistent, which wins him votes with hitters and pitchers, but most of all accountable. That's the one thing so many young umpires have failed, and continue to fail to realize. We gripe a lot, too much sometimes, as players. Hitters gripe about strikes, pitchers gripe about balls.
Too many umpires fail to realize the quickest way to shut a player up is to admit when you are wrong. What can I do when an umpire says "Yep, missed it"?
The answer? Nothing. The great ones, Steve Palermo, Ed Rapuano, Jim Joyce, to name a few, do that, and always have. Frank Pulli didn't admit it much, but often enough that you never got too mad.
Calling it the biggest call of his career, Joyce said, "I just cost that kid a perfect game. I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."
Umpires have been in the news far too much lately. The incident with Bill Hohn, who tossed Roy Oswalt over the weekend, was a shining example of what's wrong with umpires. Too many are trying to be the game, instead of umpire the game. Angel Hernandez did it on Tuesday night in the ninth inning in Toronto. He did make the right call, but there is a right way and wrong way to handle it. Angel was always good to me, and I respected him, but I always thought his confrontational attitude got him more detractors than he deserved as well as pushed him into more arguments.
Joe West? Same thing. Despite what some say, the guy is a good umpire. Smaller strike zone than I would have liked, but Joe was always consistent -- strike one was strike three. His attitude and demeanor get him into more arguments than his calls, I think.
So yeah, Jim Joyce made a call Wednesday he'll never forget, for all the wrong reasons, he changed history I guess. But I would ask you, if you know baseball, to trust me when I tell you NO ONE feels worse than he does right now, not even Armando Galarraga, I give you my word on that.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100603/baseball-tonight-clubhouse
Baseball has always defaulted to human failings on the field; so, no big surprise they have no intention of reversing the umpire's call.
Controversy like this keeps the game in the news and people will reference this event for decades when umpire mistakes and lost perfect games come up in conversation.
Controversy like this keeps the game in the news and people will reference this event for decades when umpire mistakes and lost perfect games come up in conversation.
This will be the most famous "28 outs" perfect game in the history of MLB. There has been over 100,000 (more or less) MLB games played and only 20 plus 1 perfect games. It is almost as rare as an unassisted triple play (did the umps screw up a triple play as well?).
How about the good that comes from this?
Gallaraga: A gentleman, who didn't lose his mind when it happened, very respectful, classy move by a young pitcher.
Joyce: Incredibly saddened by his error and apologized immensely and brought to tears-very embarrassed and humbled.
Detroit Tigers: Rewarded their young pitcher with a car! Class move by the team to honour the performance.
Detroit Fans: Applauded Joyce's return behind the plate because he was geniunely embarrassed.
Schilling and Riviera: I would take their opinions over a sportscaster, good for both of them speaking out.
This comes at a time when umpires are being watched because of one of their own. I can't remember his name, but this certainly puts thinks in perspective about sports.
If they call is going to be reversed, it should be done swiftly like now!
I understand where PNG2 is coming from with all the historic mess-ups; however, this one is correctible.
Gallaraga: A gentleman, who didn't lose his mind when it happened, very respectful, classy move by a young pitcher.
Joyce: Incredibly saddened by his error and apologized immensely and brought to tears-very embarrassed and humbled.
Detroit Tigers: Rewarded their young pitcher with a car! Class move by the team to honour the performance.
Detroit Fans: Applauded Joyce's return behind the plate because he was geniunely embarrassed.
Schilling and Riviera: I would take their opinions over a sportscaster, good for both of them speaking out.
This comes at a time when umpires are being watched because of one of their own. I can't remember his name, but this certainly puts thinks in perspective about sports.
If they call is going to be reversed, it should be done swiftly like now!
I understand where PNG2 is coming from with all the historic mess-ups; however, this one is correctible.
Just wondering: Would all the people who say that the out call should be changed to safe because of the mistake say the same thing in reverse?
In other words, if the umpire made an out call but replays showed the runner was safe would they want the call changed to take away a perfect game ?
Hof, you're thinking of Cowboy Joe West. (I think)
In other words, if the umpire made an out call but replays showed the runner was safe would they want the call changed to take away a perfect game ?
Hof, you're thinking of Cowboy Joe West. (I think)
