The right to privacy.

[Jenn_angel]

Re: Kathleen.....

For what it's worth, I am willing to bet that some kind of glitch/mistake has happened as I do not see what you, or anyone else for that matter, would have to gain by letting someone else view that board. It only works against us. I guess, in the end, it does prove the commitment that Laura has to keeping the board - and the private info on it - i.e., bad client list etc., as contained as possible.

Unfortunately... There does seem to be a problem... There has been confirmed issues in the past... Those issues were solved and security measures were requested... Of the women with access...

I am a moderator on another board... Not a board associated with the indusrty but a board just like TERB...

I am constantly pulling up IP addresses of posters who behave poorly... I also reacently pulled three handles which came up with the same IP address... I pulled them in response to a potential threat being sent by PM... Now lets just say that issue was solved very quickly... But... I also know that some boards have a red flag policy which sends out an alert or basically flags the IP date and time if there are more then one IP logged at the same time...

Oh and for a final note... Please read the SP board and notice that it was requested that we do not log in from multiple IP's... This was for the sake of security... I personally can not and will not log in if I am not at home or at the seat of another SP's computer. This was the measure I took to prevent my codes from being comprimised... It was there in plain text... Those who had a password and account to risk also had the ability to read it on the main board.

Oh and for the record... If there was as much of a security issue with the board I moderate... As there is with the SP board... I would have done the same thing... Remove access until everything was solved.

 

[Willywants]

A Simple Solution???

I suggest that an entry be made in the SP's handbook or manual,
you are all handed one when you enter the business, are you not, that any encounter you engage in with a client is conditional on their not posting a review!
Several ladies I have seen have made such request and I have honoured that request!
If some of the "dishonourable" amongst the Terb members insist on doing so regardless, then they should be placed on the "bad boys" list also!
I appreciate that some SP's thrive on any reviews that may be posted, positive of course, and those reviews should continue within the realm of respectability and with only service and personal features mentioned! No other information about an SP is, nor should it be relevant!

Willywants

 

[rdhaired_vixen]

hmmm

Eliquently spoken Willy....cudo's to you...golf clap

 

[Jenn_angel]

Am I a 33 year old guy from Barrie, some teenager in Sudbury, or an older Italian gentleman from Woodbridge? How do you know for certain?

Good thing the only thing I ever say about people I know and the handles they use are...

Yes he/she is nice... Or what an ASS!

(Sorry needed to insert humour here)

You said there is no way to know... Well most reviewers put in specific details... And the minute they do I know who they are... The reason for this is that I take pride in no two appointments being the same... Wouldn't that be boring?!?

 

[JDayger]

Hummm

"I don't think it would be possible to protest too much in this regard, because your actions are going to have a significant impact on the boards."

I just don't think her threatened actions will have any effect on the boards.

I am absolutely unconcerned if anyone is keeping track of who I see, what I report or my interactions with the women in the sex trade. I am easy to find.

As Lyla has so adroitly pointed out we are but a small amount of the consumers of this product. She of course fails to point out the reciprocal of that statement - she is but one of an endless stream of providers.

Keep lists. Make threats. Do what you feel you need to do. But every day the power of the boards (all boards including SP centric ones) grow. They provide continous feedback on the current actions of service providers/clients and they allow the consumer of this information to make informed choices.

I for one am far more comfortable with the opinions of posters(good or bad) being expressed in this public forum than I am with SP's ripping off clients repeatedly or clients serially harming SP's. Neither negative situation is tolerable to me.

What Lyla keeps glossing over is that she does not post reviews of sex trader workers she has paid to have sex with i.e. Boy toys. Now this may well be because she does not pay for her sex with cash or she may not wish to tell us about the experience but we are the poorer for the lack of information.

Jenn_angel has been open and honest about paying women for sex and has developed apparently an "undergroud" private method of communicating this information to a select few.

Why not create a public forum for this information. Other service providers are also paying for thier sex, as well as all the women who hire male studs. Don't they deserve a forum to read reviews and post there opinions?

Fred I think we need a new section for these female reviews of their paid for sex experiences. While there maybe a voyeuristic sort of lurking I think this would still be a valuable forum.

Our society is quickly becoming one of equals. Women now have the oppurtuity to be ripped off, lied to and cheated by the sex trade so I think it is time for them to have a public forum.

Dayger

 

[rdhaired_vixen]

very poignant response

your articulate response pallydin is concise but to the point.. well done.. this thread is getting out of hand . simple terms.. its about the guys, gals.. this is not a political forum for you to get your just rewards. we provide a service, and they pay for this service this is their board, we just get to lurk and maybe voice an opinion from tiem to time but, lets not forget why we are here ... kiss hugs licks and nibbles

 

[Jenn_angel]

Re: Hummm

Jenn_angel has been open and honest about paying women for sex and has developed apparently an "undergroud" private method of communicating this information to a select few.

Yes I do and I do it for a number of the same reasons as some of the men here.

1. The idea is that once it is over... It is up to the client to approach the provider again...

2. I don't have to deal with 15 phone calls a day... God that is the one thing that makes me happy not to be committed to someone...

3. I will never take a woman home to meet my family and after it is over... Hey... At best we can be friends and maybe do it again... I just like men too much...

4. I really just don't know how you men put up with women in a relationship... I commend you for doing it...

5. Because it is a good way to find new duo's... LOL.

6. Sometimes I read a really bad or really good review and it makes me wonder.

 

[Avery]

Re: Re: Hummm

If I post a review of Lyla, it is a review of Lyla the Escort, not Lyla the person. I would never include details about her personal life and I expect the same discretion. Lyla's database violates those expectations for no good reason (unlike bad client lists which serve a critical role).

Exactly!

With few exceptions, the escort ALWAYS knows the client's real name. With few exceptions, the client NEVER knows the escort's real name or other very personal information. The escort has a much greater responsibility to maintain confidentiality. I have no problem giving my real name to an escort whom I trust, but how can I trust the other board members I don't know to the same degree? Whether or not a client posts graphic reviews, that alone does nothing to compromise the escort's safety or security, or expose her true identity.

The only exception to the confidentiality rule is the area of safety of the escort. Obviously, if an escort is threatened or harmed in any way by a client, she should have the means to warn other escorts about him. I see nothing wrong with using Demimonde for such a purpose. I also see nothing wrong with SP's exchanging information about clients who are annoying pains in the ass (e.g. 50 phone calls or E-mails per day). I can even see them using such a board to warn about clients who have posted BLATANTLY FALSE reviews or who have posted reviews after promising not to. But, attempting to link clients' real names to their aliases for no valid reason, even on a private board, is even more wrong than clients revealing some personal information about escorts.

While I fully agree that clients should never reveal personal details about escorts, either publicly or privately, I am also convinced that, in most cases, it is done out of ignorance rather than malice. Just last week on MBB, a poster mentioned some personal information about an escort. The individual pieces of information were insufficent to identify her, but the combination could have done so. When I pointed that out to him in a post, he deleted his original post. He wasn't being nasty, just thoughtless.

This is obviously a very touchy issue, and there are different perspectives on it. These perspectives are largely determined by the individuals' personal situations, i.e. their marital status, their employment status, etc. Lyla, I think your perspective is different from most others because your husband knows all about your activities and because you have revealed your real name on another public board (BigDoggie). There are very few others, either escorts or clients, who would ever be so open. That's your choice, but it isn't that of many others.

 

[Jenn_angel]

Actually...

Avery that was well said...

Oh and just for the record... There is more then one SP who feels disclosure is not acceptable... The only time I will possibly use any information I have is to privately clarify incorrect infromation... I think that the worst possible thing would be that a good client be labeled as a bad one with incorrect information associated with name and or handle.

I personally will only be reading the list to insure this does not happen. The information I have is part of a no disclosure policy which I will not break on a board... Private or not... That is my responsibility... If there is not a direct threat then that information stays secure.

 

[Jenn_angel]

The Solution : Guys, this isn't tough, and there is no need for paranoia. If such an idea is passed, and clearly you know which sp's are participating, you just don't visit that girl.
If seeing someone in a hotel, I will only know your full name. If meeting at a residance, name and address. However, what I know stays with me, and will not be shared. Simple huh?
If on the other hand you wish to have you personal info shared on a DB, give them a call.

Life should be so simple
Kathleen

In all honesty I don't think it is that simple... A lot of people aasume that all members will participate when in actual fact... I am not so sure about that.

 

[Magister]

clearly you know which sp's are participating, you just don't visit that girl.

How are we to know which sp's are participating? If there is a way, I would certainly avoid booking the participants of this frightening scheme.

 

[Gabrielle]

This is too much.

This board, which I once looked at with respect, is progressively becoming a tenement for grown men to air their juvenile fantasies, pat each other on the back about it and then write up some reviews, as detailed as possible and full of half truths and the like to impress everyone else at how far the got. Here is an example:

We have a regular client. He finally gets around to seeing a girl he's been looking forward to. She goes, spends the hour and leaves. He writes me a long-winded email about how bad it was for him and how she's the worst escort that he's ever seen. Yadda, yadda, yadda! So, I look into it.

She tells me he is the worst client SHE has ever seen. He bugs her for BBBJ. She finds him wanting in the hygeine department. She asks him to clean himself up, he asks her to get a wash rag from the bathroom and clean him. He still smells and she grudgingly goes ahead with it. Every time she touches even his THIGHS he starts moaning and screaming about how great it feels. She is highly uncomfortable, tries her best not to show it and leaves.

Now, what stops him from coming here and talking about how terrible she was? What can she do? Rebuke with "You stink!". No, because then she would be attacked on her intelligence, professionalism and attitude. No, what can she do but watch others ask for DETAILS and whether or not she offers greek and facials or say "Yeah, I gave her a good review earlier but, now thaat you mention it, she was kinda weird..."

My agency had a review not very long ago. A bad one. He was too cheap to see the girl he wanted who was at $250 so he saw a $200 girl and reviewed the experience using the $250 girl's NAME.

He has very powerful body odor and bad breath and wants to pound the girl for the full hour. Straight. After about half an hour, she makes up an excuse so as not to hurt his feelings AND gives him back half of his money. Pretty nice of her, no? He sees another girl the next night. I don't know the full story of the night before and my girl signals me with her cell phone. I call her out. That's 2 for 2.

He posts a review saying that I shouldn't "make" the girls work if they don't feel like it. HA-fricken-HA! THAT is EXACTLY what I was trying to do. Little do I want to hurt his feelings or look like a spiteful bitch, I let it go. Well, until now.

So, how often does this happen? I'm willing to bet, it happens a lot. The point? Try to think of yourself as human who just bought a VERY intimate and personal service from another human when you post a review and maybe you weren't exactly their idea of a dream date, either, but she may have just spent a whole hour pretending she liked you and was aroused by you, to make you feel good. For God's sakes, stop hiding behind your handles.

How do you expect the escorts to respect you when you don't show any respect yourselves? Why shouldn't they be extra cautious of reviewers? Look at the general tone of the board, lately.

Well, look at that. all I meant to do was say something like "Stop all this bickering!".

Whoops.

 

[Laura]

Everyone needs to relax

I don't want to see established, sweet, nice reviewers with a name in a database.....what would be the purpose. The guys that are bringing up the arugment here are the "nice" guys.

I would personally like to avoid the guys that post abusive/malicious posts about ladies. They of course are usually first time posters and not established posters.

I don't think I have met many TERB members except Sheik and one other and to me they were both total gentlemen during the session. I recently found out that a TERB member I did see did not like me but it was my fault as "I" was not the best of company that day and should have never taken the call. I learned from that mistake.

There currently only stands the bad client advisories. When the purple section is added, it is up to the ladies to put in their comments if they want to. It is also up to the ladies to decide if the information is true and/or accurate.

Like Lyla, I have seen gentlemen on the bad client advisory and there are always two sides to each story. Same applies here.

I think everyone needs to relax a bit as it seems to have been blown out of proportion. I respect both agruments because they are both valid but I have nothing to contribute to the list. Since Siobhan and I are cousins and communicate daily, her clients are also sweethearts/TERB members and do not belong on the list. I am sure after speaking to Jenn that she has the same type of clients. So, what can we/they add?

Laura

 

[Jenn_angel]

I think I have stated how I feel...

Oh and guys... Just be glad you read the TERB version... I think it was far more tame...

I DON'T LIKE IT!

The bad client advisory is one thing... The things Gabrielle worte about should be in there... If you want then include the handle and specifics there...

But I will not be party to a mass client list including handles... Have respect for those who will give the information freely and keep your fingers off the keyboard!


Laura... Good luck with this decision... I trust you know how I feel... We have been discussing it and I have been posting it.

 

[Damondean]

Good point!

Good point. I'm for a blacklist!!
BTW: I saw you whiz by in a blue Porsche Boxter on the 401 but was so awed by your beauty that I forgot to write down the plate no.!! (LOL)
I always enjoy your posts!!

 

[TravellingGuy]

Saddened

The unstable escort already has all your information by the time you would even figure out that she is unstable (except in the case of searching for reviews on a board like Terb). There isnt much you can do about this, but to give an unstable escort access to a larger list (then her own compiled information) for her to do damage with is scary.

I'm not so much against compiling a list of bad johns, I'm all for protecting the service providers, but compiling a list of information on people who have done nothing wrong and posting it in a place where he can't respond against the allegations, or making a list of customers (who havent done anything wrong) available on a private board to all service providers seems like an invasion of my own privacy.

If I chose to see someone and I give them my personal details its because I trust them to keep it confidential, if I knew she even participated in a board that would even suggest a mass client list then I would have second thoughts about using her services. In fact, I've already crossed some names off my list, not because I've done anything wrong or because they have, just because I would rather deal with a provider that has my best interests at heart (not before her own best interests of course).

 

[Avery]

I am beginning to suspect this is not the case for many of the gentlemen we see on these boards, but most of the men I see are professionals. They are accustomed to interviewing and sizing people up -- in their daily professional lives, in their personal lives. They're decision makers. And so for them, it's not a big deal to speak with or correspond with an escort, and feel comfortable about their assessment of them.

It's the same thing with me. As an escort, I've spent my whole life talking to prospects on the phone. After a while, you develop a talent for sizing people up on the basis of a brief interview.

Lyla, I think you've hit the nail right on the head this time.

Also, it's not only the interviewing skills, it's communications skills in general. If I'm interested in a particular escort or agency, I contact them by E-mail. I have what is virtually a standard introductory E-mail in which I provide some general personal info (not enough to identify me). I also make it very clear what I like to do with an escort without being vulgar or too explicit . It's not difficult at all for someone who's well educated and articulate. This information serves two purposes. In addition to enabling the escort or agency to determine their comfort level with my preferences and expectations, it also gives them the opportunity to evaluate me as a prospective client based on the calibre of my message.

In turn, it also gives me the opportunity to evaluate them by the content and quality of their reply. A skilled professional really doesn't need a lot of information to get a pretty good handle on the situation.

This approach has worked very, very well for me in the last couple of years. My self-introduction has always led to an exchange of several more E-mails, resulting in appointments every time. When the right moment came, I provided my real name and where I was staying. Every appointment I've made this way has been very good to excellent.

Mind you, my success rate was immeasurably helped by reviews posted on the boards and by private messages with other posters. They really helped me to narrow down the choices.

 

[Laura]

I justed posted in a new thread....

what is the truth and what is really happening. Please read it!

Laura

 

[Captain Bly]

Wow, I have a headache reading all this and sort of agree with a bit of everybody's posts. I will offer to mediate on the boat between Lyla, Laura and Kathleen, all intelligent ladies that i admire and may have seen. My problem about being identified is that the wooden leg kind of gives the game away, and the parrot knows my name better than i do!!

Anyway an interesting theme, question, what proportion of the ladies clients post on baords, I bet it's fairly small (no comments on that last phrase please ladies).

Now where did I put my leg?

 

[BigBlack]

BadKat..

No worries, Badkat Lyla is off her meds. Let her flame away. I have a feeling it won't be for long.