The truth, his own words

[Insidious Von]

Canadians can drink pussy willow Americans under the table. Honourable Canadians DokaRyan and Baby Shaq imbibe.

Born in Regina, drunk in Toronto.

 

[Skoob]

I disagree it is proof.
The only thing it is a proof of, is that it is a lie.

It's your right to disagree...sorry the proof disagrees with you.
Why are you in denial? Who are you trying to convince other than yourself?

 

[Skoob]

Democrat destruction? I seem to recall only a few months ago of incredible job growth, a thriving economy, and a place where the US constitution was treated as more than a hindrance. In Trump’s 100 days he very likely triggered a recession, eroded any goodwill for the US, and wiped out trillions from the equity markets. And, his trade war is a dismal failure. He blinked so hard, yet he’ll spin it as a win…and the MAGAts will eat it up





please show how the left has been sabotaging democracy. In Canada or the US. In the US, Trump eroded any trust in results when he loses. That’s pathetic. And the GOP works very hard to limit minority voters.
And, what has Trump done? Sure, he deported people, including Americans citizens. Is that what you call a success? No due process? That is very worrisome. Yet the right have no problem with ignoring the constitution when it serves their purposes. Imagine if Biden tried something like that? Fox would shit a brick.
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ps you sound like you're going to have a rough 4 years ahead of you.

Why don't you just do yourself a favour and be thankful someone like Trump is finally doing something good for his country and support him.

Your choice.

I think we’re all going to have a rough four years. Trump is incompetent, and it shows more and more everyday. Thankfully Carney is our PM, so at least we’ll have someone who will fight for Canada and counter Trump where necessary. I’m sure you are triggered by that, but too bad.
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I think it's funny after reading your rant that you suggest Carney will "fight" for our country.

Tell us, what do you think he will do to save us from the big bad US that no other candidate has also said they would do?

What magical powers do you think he has that no one else does and what he will specifically do?

I can almost guarantee that anything you will say is either just a general talking point we heard from the Liberal campaign, or something that was copied from the Conservative platform.

I'll wait...

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

...sorry the proof disagrees with you.

There is no proof.
The entire debate is about questioning what Elon is saying and your response is to point to the very thing that is being questioned as proof?
That is like asking a murderer if he murdered someone and then taking his "No" as proof that no murder was committed.
That takes some serious Olympic level mental gymnastics for sure. lmfao.

 

[Skoob]

There is no proof.
The entire debate is about questioning what Elon is saying and your response is to point to the very thing that is being questioned as proof?
That is like asking a murderer if he murdered someone and then taking his "No" as proof that no murder was committed.
That takes some serious Olympic level mental gymnastics for sure. lmfao.

Not quite...you just refuse to acknowledge the proof because it contradicts your usual biased narrative.
All the info is public. All the artifacts are on display. It is there for you and anyone else to see.

You just don't want to. So you just keep distracting.

 

[silentkisser]

I think we’re all going to have a rough four years. Trump is incompetent, and it shows more and more everyday. Thankfully Carney is our PM, so at least we’ll have someone who will fight for Canada and counter Trump where necessary. I’m sure you are triggered by that, but too bad.

I think it's funny after reading your rant that you suggest Carney will "fight" for our country.

Tell us, what do you think he will do to save us from the big bad US that no other candidate has also said they would do?

What magical powers do you think he has that no one else does and what he will specifically do?

I can almost guarantee that anything you will say is either just a general talking point we heard from the Liberal campaign, or something that was copied from the Conservative platform.

I'll wait...

While I’m skeptical about the reports earlier this month that Carney organized a number of countries to put pressure on Trump by manipulating the bond market…it does have an air of truth to it. Now, the bond market is massive compared to equities. And their fluctuations can have an amazing impact on a country. And, Carney has the expertise and connections international to build a coalition of the willing to put the screws to Trump and the US.

That is something PP could not do. He doesn’t have the connections or the planning for that.
And, going forward, with the US no longer a reliable….well…anything, those international connections are going to be more important than ever.

now, I will concede that PP could build up those relationships, and it is possible that he has smart people working for him, and they too could do the bong trick. But, the reality is, it would probably take a lot longer for him to do it, and there could be an inherent distrust due to his past praise of Trump.
So, on many levels, Carney is a superior PM than to what PP could even dream about accomplishing.

now, to be clear, I honestly do not think PP would sell us out. But, I also don’t think he’d be as forceful or formidable as Carney. This is my opinion, and u could be totally wrong on that.

 

[Nakedgta]

Takes credit if it's good and always blames someone else when bad

 

[Skoob]

While I’m skeptical about the reports earlier this month that Carney organized a number of countries to put pressure on Trump by manipulating the bond market…it does have an air of truth to it. Now, the bond market is massive compared to equities. And their fluctuations can have an amazing impact on a country. And, Carney has the expertise and connections international to build a coalition of the willing to put the screws to Trump and the US.

That is something PP could not do. He doesn’t have the connections or the planning for that.
And, going forward, with the US no longer a reliable….well…anything, those international connections are going to be more important than ever.

now, I will concede that PP could build up those relationships, and it is possible that he has smart people working for him, and they too could do the bong trick. But, the reality is, it would probably take a lot longer for him to do it, and there could be an inherent distrust due to his past praise of Trump.
So, on many levels, Carney is a superior PM than to what PP could even dream about accomplishing.

now, to be clear, I honestly do not think PP would sell us out. But, I also don’t think he’d be as forceful or formidable as Carney. This is my opinion, and u could be totally wrong on that.

Carney has no special powers to counter anything the US does on any significant scale. He could have tons of financial experience but at the end of the day, he is powerless just like the other candidates.
That's really the gist of it.
The belief that he somehow he has more abilities and power, etc is what swayed voters who were tired of making excuses for Trudeau and wanted someone else...anyone else.

The reality however is that with such a strong opposition, much of the power Trudeau had in that way is gone. The support the Liberals relied on by the NDP is gone.

So he can either live up to his promises of implementing all the Conservative policies he copied or be faced with being shot down and not being able to do much.

I actually prefer this scenario over the Conservatives having won a minority government and here's why...

By the next election, the Liberal tactic of using the "Trump bad" distraction tactic will be gone. Carney won't have time to do anything productive for Canada despite what he promised to do against the US pressure, and we would be looking at a Conservative majority.

 

[silentkisser]

Carney has no special powers to counter anything the US does on any significant scale. He could have tons of financial experience but at the end of the day, he is powerless just like the other candidates.
That's really the gist of it.
The belief that he somehow he has more abilities and power, etc is what swayed voters who were tired of making excuses for Trudeau and wanted someone else...anyone else.

The reality however is that with such a strong opposition, much of the power Trudeau had in that way is gone. The support the Liberals relied on by the NDP is gone.

So he can either live up to his promises of implementing all the Conservative policies he copied or be faced with being shot down and not being able to do much.

I actually prefer this scenario over the Conservatives having won a minority government and here's why...

By the next election, the Liberal tactic of using the "Trump bad" distraction tactic will be gone. Carney won't have time to do anything productive for Canada despite what he promised to do against the US pressure, and we would be looking at a Conservative majority.

I think this is an agree to disagree situation. Trump has disrupted the existing order, and the US can no longer be trusted. Carney has the expertise and connections, and knows where the pressure points are on the US economy. As for the next election, there is a strong chance it might come sooner than we expect, minority governments have a typical life of about 18 months (unless you're Joe Clark....). But, in that time, I think he could be quite productive and put up a rigid defence against Trump's schemes and meddling.

And, I think the bulk of Canadians understand what is at stake here. They know we cannot just be passive and let Trump have his way with us. We need to defend our sovereignty, and I think that now means we must push ahead with pipelines to bypass the US market. That will please Alberta/SK. And, his plan to remove inter-provincial trade barriers is a smart move. Just need to get the premiers to agree. Despite the whiners in Alberta, I think there is increased Canadian unity, and Carney can harness that to make these moves. Now, it could all go up in a ball of flames. We shall see.

And, keep in mind, there is a chance that Poilivere will not be leader for much longer. I mean, PP did increase the conservative seat tally, but he also shit the bed from a 25 point lead to becoming the official opposition. Yes, many things went against him, but he didn't exactly ease minds by having a full-throated defence against Trump. I know many people, even some conservatives, who felt that he was slow in addressing the elephant in the room. Will all of that add up to him being replaced as leader? If that happens....who will be Carney's foil? There are many unanswered questions about this aspect. But, I suspect it will play out over the next few days or weeks.

 

[Frankfooter]

I think this is an agree to disagree situation. Trump has disrupted the existing order, and the US can no longer be trusted. Carney has the expertise and connections, and knows where the pressure points are on the US economy. As for the next election, there is a strong chance it might come sooner than we expect, minority governments have a typical life of about 18 months (unless you're Joe Clark....). But, in that time, I think he could be quite productive and put up a rigid defence against Trump's schemes and meddling.

And, I think the bulk of Canadians understand what is at stake here. They know we cannot just be passive and let Trump have his way with us. We need to defend our sovereignty, and I think that now means we must push ahead with pipelines to bypass the US market. That will please Alberta/SK. And, his plan to remove inter-provincial trade barriers is a smart move. Just need to get the premiers to agree. Despite the whiners in Alberta, I think there is increased Canadian unity, and Carney can harness that to make these moves. Now, it could all go up in a ball of flames. We shall see.

And, keep in mind, there is a chance that Poilivere will not be leader for much longer. I mean, PP did increase the conservative seat tally, but he also shit the bed from a 25 point lead to becoming the official opposition. Yes, many things went against him, but he didn't exactly ease minds by having a full-throated defence against Trump. I know many people, even some conservatives, who felt that he was slow in addressing the elephant in the room. Will all of that add up to him being replaced as leader? If that happens....who will be Carney's foil? There are many unanswered questions about this aspect. But, I suspect it will play out over the next few days or weeks.

Pee Pee sounds scared.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-future-conservatives-take-stock-1.7522939

 

[Skoob]

I think this is an agree to disagree situation. Trump has disrupted the existing order, and the US can no longer be trusted. Carney has the expertise and connections, and knows where the pressure points are on the US economy. As for the next election, there is a strong chance it might come sooner than we expect, minority governments have a typical life of about 18 months (unless you're Joe Clark....). But, in that time, I think he could be quite productive and put up a rigid defence against Trump's schemes and meddling.

And, I think the bulk of Canadians understand what is at stake here. They know we cannot just be passive and let Trump have his way with us. We need to defend our sovereignty, and I think that now means we must push ahead with pipelines to bypass the US market. That will please Alberta/SK. And, his plan to remove inter-provincial trade barriers is a smart move. Just need to get the premiers to agree. Despite the whiners in Alberta, I think there is increased Canadian unity, and Carney can harness that to make these moves. Now, it could all go up in a ball of flames. We shall see.

And, keep in mind, there is a chance that Poilivere will not be leader for much longer. I mean, PP did increase the conservative seat tally, but he also shit the bed from a 25 point lead to becoming the official opposition. Yes, many things went against him, but he didn't exactly ease minds by having a full-throated defence against Trump. I know many people, even some conservatives, who felt that he was slow in addressing the elephant in the room. Will all of that add up to him being replaced as leader? If that happens....who will be Carney's foil? There are many unanswered questions about this aspect. But, I suspect it will play out over the next few days or weeks.

If the Conservatives didn't erode confidence in the NDP, the Liberals would not have won. The vote would be more split. It was because of the Conservatives calling out the NDP many times for supporting Trudeau that they ultimately collapsed and the Liberals grabbed a lot of their votes.

If Carney reinstates the carbon tax, he will be gone.
If he doesn't drastically control immigration fast, he will be gone.
If he moves forward with pipelines, he will alienate the environmentally focused supporters and indigenous support they currently have.
If he indeed uses his own company for the "build affordable homes" strategy, that will be a huge scandal he will wear around his neck.
If he does nothing about the tariffs, and appears to be chummy with Trump, he will lose the support of those that believed he was focused on Canada.

And he has to try and accomplish all of that with a strong opposition in parliament.

This will be interesting to watch.

 

[wigglee]

Trump has been in power for less than 100 days.
4 years of Democrat destruction takes more time than that to fix. Be patient.

The left has been trying to sabotage democracy for almost a decade and essentially accuses everyone else of doing what they themselves do. They are unhinged and crazy.

The lunatic left has imploded and what you are witnessing is an elected president doing what he promised. Must be a foreign concept for people who are used to just believing the lies they are asked to swallow by polite and smooth talking leftist politicians.

ps you sound like you're going to have a rough 4 years ahead of you.

Why don't you just do yourself a favour and be thankful someone like Trump is finally doing something good for his country and support him.

Your choice.

Yea, the economy is tanking but Trump still blames Biden . But when Biden was still in power and the economy and markets were surging, he claimed it was because he was coming soon. Now he's here and everything is tanking, though he declared it would be a golden age from day one.. It's you that has TDS .... Trump Delusional Syndrome...LOL. The guy is an idiot who just tried to pass off an obviously Photoshopped pic of Garcia's hand as proof that he is in that gang! Meanwhile he defies the Supreme Court's order to return him. He's a lying, corrupt and incompetent dictator.

 

[silentkisser]

If the Conservatives didn't erode confidence in the NDP, the Liberals would not have won. The vote would be more split. It was because of the Conservatives calling out the NDP many times for supporting Trudeau that they ultimately collapsed and the Liberals grabbed a lot of their votes.

If Carney reinstates the carbon tax, he will be gone.
If he doesn't drastically control immigration fast, he will be gone.
If he moves forward with pipelines, he will alienate the environmentally focused supporters and indigenous support they currently have.
If he indeed uses his own company for the "build affordable homes" strategy, that will be a huge scandal he will wear around his neck.
If he does nothing about the tariffs, and appears to be chummy with Trump, he will lose the support of those that believed he was focused on Canada.

And he has to try and accomplish all of that with a strong opposition in parliament.

This will be interesting to watch.

Interesting take, but I think it probably falls that the NDP voter held their nose and voted Liberal because they didn't want PP as PM. Imagine if there was a unified left-wing party, the Cons would loose more frequently.

And, your list here...seems weird...full of things he would not do, and never said he would...He has already done stuff against Trump and the tariffs....so, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

 

[Skoob]

Yea, the economy is tanking but Trump still blames Biden . But when Biden was still in power and the economy and markets were surging, he claimed it was because he was coming soon. Now he's here and everything is tanking, though he declared it would be a golden age from day one.. It's you that has TDS .... Trump Delusional Syndrome...LOL. The guy is an idiot who just tried to pass off an obviously Photoshopped pic of Garcia's hand as proof that he is in that gang! Meanwhile he defies the Supreme Court's order to return him. He's a lying, corrupt and incompetent dictator.

Biden? You mean the guy that the Dems hid for 4 years pretending he was actually running the country? That Biden?
Trump is trying to make his country better and not waiting for a special occasion to get his elbows up. It's ambitious and will take some time but trying the same things over and over has not worked in the past.

I don't know all of the details yet about the photoshopped image but I do know that the photoshopped part is for illustration to describe what's actually on his hands. If you have further info please share it.

 

[Skoob]

Interesting take, but I think it probably falls that the NDP voter held their nose and voted Liberal because they didn't want PP as PM. Imagine if there was a unified left-wing party, the Cons would loose more frequently.

And, your list here...seems weird...full of things he would not do, and never said he would...He has already done stuff against Trump and the tariffs....so, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

Things he would not do?

As Canada's Liberal Party prepares to form a new government, its immigration platform is set to bring significant changes to the country's policies.
The party's platform acknowledges that the previous government's immigration policies allowed levels to rise at an "unsustainable" pace. To address this, the Liberals propose stabilising permanent admissions at less than 1% of Canada's population annually beyond 2027. Notably, the current Immigration Levels Plan already targets numbers below this threshold, with permanent resident targets set at 395,000 in 2025, 380,000 in 2026, and 365,000 in 2027.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how...o-change-canadas-immigration-policies-8287869


I can show you more but you can probably find more things "he would never do" yourself without my help.
ps how dare he want to control immigration. That's racist right? (or only when Conservatives want to do that?)

 

[silentkisser]

Things he would not do?

As Canada's Liberal Party prepares to form a new government, its immigration platform is set to bring significant changes to the country's policies.
The party's platform acknowledges that the previous government's immigration policies allowed levels to rise at an "unsustainable" pace. To address this, the Liberals propose stabilising permanent admissions at less than 1% of Canada's population annually beyond 2027. Notably, the current Immigration Levels Plan already targets numbers below this threshold, with permanent resident targets set at 395,000 in 2025, 380,000 in 2026, and 365,000 in 2027.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how...o-change-canadas-immigration-policies-8287869


I can show you more but you can probably find more things "he would never do" yourself without my help.
ps how dare he want to control immigration. That's racist right? (or only when Conservatives want to do that?)

I think you misunderstood me. I meant, he was going to tackle immigration. Not keep the status quo. And, it is only racist if you insist all future immigrants must be white Europeans....As for the rest of things on your list, it is difficult to say. In an environment where the country faces a serious crisis, you do things that are necessary, not necessarily something you agree with. Pipelines are a good example. With the US upending the trade relationship, it has become more important than ever to tap new markets. So, does that mean BC and the First Nations will agree to a new pipeline to the coast (either coast)? Hard to say.

The thing about immigration....we are a country in need of immigrants. Our native birth rate is below the replacement rate. Trudeau's ambitious goal was....well....right in a way. Handles poorly, but there is a need for a larger, younger workforce. Now, it was not handled greatly. It caused inflation and jacked up housing and rental costs. And many companies used the temporary foreign workers program instead of hiring Canadians. Like, Tim Hortons for example....And, the serious jump in international students was shocking. You have seen a bunch of the colleges slashing their programs because they got fat off the higher fees these students pay (look at Conestoga for instance). If we continue with the traditional points-based system, we can bring in new Canadians who are able to contribute to the country sooner.