Thoughts on DATY?
- Thread starter rama putri
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It was sarcasm.
The risk from DATY re HPV 16 is about the same as smoking a pack a day.
And some of the comments here about vaccination are ludicrous.
Most people over 30 are already infected by at least one HPV, probably several.
HPV 16 does not cause genital warts. It just gives you cancer.
If a person does not have a disease, and get vaccinated, and it takes, they may or may not get the disease if they are exposed. It is called effectiveness. 40 to 60% is considered good.
If you already have the HPV infection the vaccine will have no impact.
The vaccines only target a handful of the HPV family of viruses.
So an old woman who gets vaccinated is a procedure of questionable value. That is why it is not covered by health plans.
So ya, bottom line it is your life, do what you want. It is only as risky as a pack a day smoker. Ya can also smoke if you like.
Odds are not as bad with very young girls who were vaccinated before getting infected, but really? You want to go there?
I see you share Michael Douglas's perception of smoking risks.
I looked up occurrences of different diseases based on per 100,000 and found that male's risk of cancer from HPV 16 is 5 per 100,000 (much higher than a woman's rate). The death rate per 100,000 for lung cancer is 7 among non-smokers and 71 among smokers.
By my math smoking a pack a day is almost 15 times worse odds than DATY.
I call total BS on that one. In a quick search via Google on the matter, I found the odds of anyone getting any kind of HPV associated virus from DATY astronomically high.
Its good to have the facts. Thanks, it eliminates all the hyperbole you get here about this and similar issues.
Good to have facts, yes. Also good to have a link to the source of the facts.... from this post, all I know is the poster thinks that his figures are accurate.
Anyone have any links to answer the question:
Can someone who has been vaccinated before any contact with HPV then become a carrier of the virus should they come into contact with it after vaccination? This has been asserted in this thread, and I can't find any confirmation of this assertion.
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Do your homework. Try "HPV Vaccine Efficacy" on Google. Be careful of dates. This field is changing rapidly. CDC in their 'HPV Vaccine Information for Clinicians - Fact Sheet' will inform you that the standard HPV female vaccine work to prevent cancer in the girls who took it 93% of the time. So about 7% can and do have the disease. They are not a 'carrier' THEY HAVE THE DISEASE and can give it to any partner.
Well let’s see…..
Go off and read Chaturvedi AK, Engels EA, Pfeiffer RM, et al. Human papillomavirus and rising oropharyngeal cancer incidence in the United States. Journal of Clinical Oncology 2011; 29(32):4294–4301. To get the probability of DATY being part of a man’s lifestyle.
Go to Stats Canada and find out how many men are choosing to start smoking a pack a day; and while there get the population.
Divide the frequency by the population and you get the % in the test populations.
Now go to a any of several sites and find out how many throat cancers are HPV positive, and how many men were diagnosed with lung cancers who were also smoking this year (if you see 80+% numbers check that they are not saying –associated with tobacco problems…. Used in the last 15 years. The 15 year thing is very popular in ban smoking circles).
CDC numbers are showing:
• “Cervical cancer: The most common HPV-associated cancer. Almost all cervical cancer is caused by HPV.
• Vulvar cancer: About 50% are linked to HPV.
• Vaginal cancer: About 65% are linked to HPV.
• Penile cancer : About 35% are linked to HPV.
• Anal cancer : About 95% are linked to HPV.
• Oropharyngeal cancers (cancers of the back of the throat, including the base of the tongue and tonsils): About 60% are linked to HPV. “
Ok now get the number of cancers of each type that were found during a recent year.
So once you have all that, come back and tell me that deciding to have Daty tomorrow is not comparable to deciding to start smoking a pack a day. And explain the math to me.
Women get pap smears (NOT FUN) every couple of years to try and not die from the same nasty HPVs (16&18).
Oh by the way, do you know 5% of ALL cancers worldwide are caused my HPVs?
You really don't know how to do this, do you? No links, half of what you say is totally unsupported, and you're rude to boot.
Any one still interested, useful facts are here
<http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/03/its-true-you-can-get-throat-cancer-from-oral-sex/>
So they are not carriers then, in your opinion. Thanks for being rude. Sorry, you're not scaring me. There is no huge risk in DATY.
I am not paid enough for being here to pull together a course for people with no background.
I will be nice though and give you a 30,000 foot explanation.
The popular press often uses words in very inaccurate ways. None the less you cannot be a "carrier" of a disease unless the disease lives inside your body. The term 'CARRIER' is used to differentiate from the more generic "infectious" because a carrier does not present (show) the common symptoms of the disease in question. Now in the case of HPVs being asymptomatic is the norm.
Now for the vaccines... there are 2 of them out there approved for use. One targets 4 of the 150 HPVs out there, the other only 2. If you have already been infected by a specific HPV a vaccination for that specific HPV will not work.
There s no 100% effective vaccination for anything. For example the "flew" vaccines are typically only 40% to 60% effective. In the case of HPVs the most common data reports they are about 93% effective. IF AND ONLY IF the woman was not already infected. f she is they have no value. So something like 1 in 10 girl is still able to catch the disease and transmit it. She can become infectious. She will display all the symptoms associated with HPV. She is not a "silent carrier". She is infected.
How serious is it? The research is still coming in for throat cancer. We know that almost 100% of Cervix cancer is caused by HPVs, and about 70% by the 16 and 18.
If you are involved with a woman you know that after 30 the pap smear becomes part of out lives to reduce the odds of dying.
Now instead of whining like a child who needs his dinner cut into tiny pieces learn to do evidence based research.
Avoid popular press and the internet gurus aimed at the uninformed.
Try looking for clinical fact sheets and medical publications.
Here is a place you can start: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV
When I read the article, I noticed Michael Douglas also said the best cure is more cunnilingus...as per his quote: "I did worry if the stress caused by my son's incarceration didn't help trigger it. But yeah, it's a sexually transmitted disease that causes cancer. And if you have it, cunnilingus is also the best cure for it." So...is he trying to warn people or provide a cure??? 
Lots of flaws in the first part of the above. Not sure if the poster was sarcastic or serious about Stats can keeping stats about who smokes a pack a day or how many enjoy frequent DATY.
How about that. Nothing new here.
I think I know what is going on - you are afraid of pussy. You have only been active on this thread, trying to scare people. I think you signed on here just to project your fear.
You are kind of like the kid who was afraid of "cooties" back in elementary school, who has now decided to use the anonymity of the internet to pretend to be an expert. When you are questioned, you just get rude.
Go away little boy.
