Time to fire Pat Quinn?

[BigGuy26]

Since coming back from a 5-1 deficit after 2 is not easy, The Leafs look to be done. I think that this should signal Pat Quinn's departure from the Maple Leafs. He has been here since 1998, and they have not advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals. Actually, this year they seem worse because of too many penalties and an older group of players.

He wanted to transform the fast and playmaking team of the 99 semi-finals into this team that has "grit and sandpaper" but it still has not produced a winner.

Anyone have thoughts on Pat Quinn? Look at it this way, Bob Hartley was fired for doing a lot more. Just how much time does Pat Quinn need anyway to build the Leafs into a Stanley Cup finalist and winner?

 

[Captain Bly]

How did this three year old post get to the top??

Gainey by next month I hear.

 

[BigGuy26]

Exactly Kathleen, my post said that this performance should signal Pat Quinn's departure from the Maple Leafs in all capacities.

 

[fflowley]

time now?

The time to fire Quinn has definitely been here for at least a year. I'll say it again: Undisciplined teams do not win Stanley Cups. The Leafs under Quinn are perpetually undisciplined, and it always costs them in the end.

Flooey!

 

[fiasco]

Time to clean house

There must be something i'm missing!! It seemed so obvious to myself and many of the individuals I discuss hockey with much of a detrement some of the players on the team are. It was more than evident througout the season that our defensive core sucked and Lumme has no business being on the ice in an NHL game. Quinn reminds me very much of Lenny Wilkins with his inability to adjust or change his strategy or tactics mid game. Very disappointed with many thing about tonite but none more than Quinn and Lumme and I hope neither are part of the blue and white in the coming years.

 

[Pyro]

Time for a change

What I saw tonight was nothing more than a bunch of tired players with their last gasp.

While this is true, I would point out that the Flyers had every reason to be just as tired but, somehow, they managed to perform at a much higher level.

Either the Leafs had poor motivation and direction or they lacked the appropriate manpower. In reality, I think it was a bit of both. In any event, I think that the coach/GM deserves some of the blame for this circumstance.

Let's face it. Everyone has been saying for years that the Leafs lacked adequate talent on the blue line and also needed a strong second-line centreman (or, perhaps, a first-line centreman as Mats (FB) Sundin is not really a top-line superstar). For years, Pat Quinn has failed to address these needs. Perhaps a different approach to the GM's position is now in order.

As for coaching, it's difficult for us to really assess the effectiveness of a coach without having been in the locker room and spoken, in depth, to the players. What is easy to see, however, is that Pat Quinn is not the type of guy that would respond well to taking orders from a GM that took (what used to be) his job. If you fire him as GM, you can't keep him as coach.

Pyro the (Leaf loving) Pig

 

[Mr. Downtown]

Thank God the Canucks are walking all over St. Loius. Watching it is keeping me from puking over the pathetic Leafs performance.

 

[fiasco]

Sheik I agree totally with you about tonite being a group of tired warriors who were outplayed 5 of 7 games and still managed to win 3 games on the back of Eddie.

However, I and many others have been asking for Quinn's job for a long time now. First as a GM our team is in the top 5 in the NHL in payroll and we have dont have any defencemen that can lay a body check. Quinn's loyalty to Lumme from their run to the cup is just moronic and I'm willing to bet Lumme does a lot of swallowing to stay in the line up. We have been trying to trade Anthropov for two years now, trouble signing Karble for half the money Lumme makes, and refusing to play and develop our young players. With respect to coaching well the fact that he never even tried to change the lines to get Nolan going or started Lumme (obvious I hate this guy) or Hoglund in front of Corson or a kid from the rock was just stupid. The number of blind passes our defencemen made is a result of their coaching and what is allowed and expected of them ... Burns would never have let them play that soft. Anyways, I dont think trying and effort is going to get them any further next year ... changes must be made and I'd start with Dryden and Quinn and work my way down.

 

[clipper]

Remedial Learning for Pat Quinn

Leaf management should be compelled to watch the Canucks and Oilers play the game. This is hockey, not the crap the Leafs are dispensing. With a payroll literally half Toronto's these two teams put on an exciting show with tremendous heart. With the Leaf's
budget the Oilers would have been able to retain the top players they develop and would have won the cup multiple times.
Why do the Canucks get Marc Crawford and we get stuck with Quinn? Then again, why are the Canucks smart enough to pick up Bertuzzi and reacquire Trevor Linden while Toronto knocks itself out trying to get Lindros? How long before somebody finally makes Quinn take responsibility for this mess????

 

[Quinn]

BigGuy26 and fiasco are RIGHT! Tonight's game was pitiful and painful to watch. I was embarrassed for the Leafs (again)! ridiculous- 5-1!

as I sheepishly crawl away in disappointment with a name like Quinn....

 

[Quinn]

Forgot to say....indeed Pat Quinn needs to move on and give some of these really "very good Leaf players" a chance to "excell"! It has been a mess for too long.

The pressures and disappointments must be devastating for this team. It just has not gotten any better for too long now. Quinn has to move on...

Marc Crawford? Yes indeed. I had lots of respect for Mike Keenan as well....Hats off to the team players of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Quinn must through in the towel!

Ah... those days of the Oilers!

 

[Quinn]

Since coming back from a 5-1 deficit after 2 is not easy, The Leafs look to be done. I think that this should signal Pat Quinn's departure from the Maple Leafs. He has been here since 1998, and they have not advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals. Actually, this year they seem worse because of too many penalties and an older group of players.

He wanted to transform the fast and playmaking team of the 99 semi-finals into this team that has "grit and sandpaper" but it still has not produced a winner.

Anyone have thoughts on Pat Quinn? Look at it this way, Bob Hartley was fired for doing a lot more. Just how much time does Pat Quinn need anyway to build the Leafs into a Stanley Cup finalist and winner?

Time to fire Pat Quinn? - without any reservations - YES!!!
Sorry about all the posts -I'm just so damn pissed!

 

[aka Danielle]

Thank God the Canucks are walking all over St. Loius. Watching it is keeping me from puking over the pathetic Leafs performance.

GO CANUCKS GO! WOO HOO!

They did it! They did it!

Yes, I'm from Vancouver! I'm homesick now!

 

[BigGuy26]

The Leafs under Pat Quinn just can't play an effective game of hockey. Way too many penalties, loyalty to Lumme and a very suspect puck moving team. He had his chance since 99, to improve the team as he wanted to, to get bigger, but they have still failed.

A perfect example of why a new coach is needed is in Philadelphia. Over the past few years, the Flyers were undisciplined and didn't play smart hockey, and look what Ken Hitchcock has brought to that team!

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Belfour deserved more than being left out to dry. Shameful

 

[penguin_jf]

It just seems to me that the Leafs don't have that many good players, so what could you expect? Quinn might or might not be a good coach, but only the Rangers have done a worse job of spending money on not-very-talented players.
Here's a rumour for you all - Scotty Bowman is making noises about maybe coaching again, and it won't be here in Detroit. He's also said he wants to be near his home in Buffalo.
Do you think he could help there?

 

[blofeld]

The Leafs do have talent... it's just not being used. There are a lot of guys that are good/great players. My personal favs are Roberts, Mogilny (even though he was thorougly vacant in this series), Tucker. Nolan, Sundin, Belfour, Kaberle, McCabe. Besides Belfour, they really don't have anyone who is consistantly 'stellar'. I didn't see any leadership material on the ice this series.

 

[fiasco]

bowman?

Scotty Bowman has proved himself to be wonderfull coach when surrounded by a team of all stars. Obviously that is not the scenario in toronto and he would not be the right man for the job. The guy I would like coaching us is Ted Nolan but thats probably just a pipe dream.

 

[breaker7]

The Leafs do have talent... it's just not being used. There are a lot of guys that are good/great players. My personal favs are Roberts, Mogilny (even though he was thorougly vacant in this series), Tucker. Nolan, Sundin, Belfour, Kaberle, McCabe. I didn't see any leadership material on the ice this series.

Leafs do have talent! The team is clearly not under good coaching. Damn, it's a shame when the team does have some GREAT PLAYERS! Great talent in the Toronto Maple Leafs - bad coaching. Or am I missing something????

 

[superjohnsmooth]

Re: bowman?

Scotty Bowman has proved himself to be wonderfull coach when surrounded by a team of all stars. Obviously that is not the scenario in toronto and he would not be the right man for the job. The guy I would like coaching us is Ted Nolan but thats probably just a pipe dream.

You know what my friend? I couldn't agree more.

Remember how tight Buffalo's forecheck was? Forcing turnover, after turnover, after turnover. He used all four lines, kept them together because any smart coach understands that people have got to gel together. Which, I might add can take time. And with the exception of Hasek, the players adapted well to his style.

And anyone can see how much more talented the current Leafs are. Nolans coaching style would fit perfect.