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To a Common Prostitute :By Walt Whitman

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To a Common Prostitute
By Walt Whitman
1819-1892

Be composed--be at ease with me--I am Walt Whitman, liberal and
lusty as Nature,
Not till the sun excludes you do I exclude you,
Not till the waters refuse to glisten for you and the leaves to
rustle for you, do my words refuse to glisten and rustle for you.

My girl I appoint with you an appointment, and I charge you that you
make preparation to be worthy to meet me,
And I charge you that you be patient and perfect till I come.

Till then I salute you with a significant look that you do not forget me.

http://www.daypoems.net/poems/2081.html
 
Do you think Whitman is speaking of equality? Many who anylize this poem believe that is what he is talking about. I think they just want to candy coat their beloved Walt.

Don't get me wrong I love Walt Whitman, I just think he was a regular horny old guy who got his socks rocked by hookers and was not afraid to admit it.

You go Walt.....
 

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"Men and women do little else but make trouble for each other, yet if a high wall seperated them they would break it down to get through."
Ed Howe (1853-1937)
 

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Molly Robinson said:
Do you think Whitman is speaking of equality? Many who anylize this poem believe that is what he is talking about. I think they just want to candy coat their beloved Walt.

Don't get me wrong I love Walt Whitman, I just think he was a regular horny old guy who got his socks rocked by hookers and was not afraid to admit it.

You go Walt.....
That leads to this article:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/30030148

The Prostitute in the Garden: Walt Whitman, Fanny Hill, and The Fantasy of Female Pleasure.

Cheers
 

Ceiling Cat

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All Walt is saying is......................

I have a SPROINGER too! :D
 

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Sure..

tersey said:
I thought Walt was gay. (Not that there's anything.....)
Maybe his 'girl' was an effeminate cruiser.

(The sentiment is great, no matter who or what)
 

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Hey maybe he was bi!
 

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tersey said:
I thought Walt was gay. (Not that there's anything.....)
There is a great deal of disagreement among scholars. Certainly there is no evidence that he ever acted out on it.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
There is a great deal of disagreement among scholars. Certainly there is no evidence that he ever acted out on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Whitman#Sexuality
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Sexuality
Whitman and Peter Doyle, one of the men with whom Whitman was believed to have had an intimate relationship

Whitman's sexuality is sometimes disputed, although often assumed to be bisexual based on his poetry.[4] The concept of heterosexual and homosexual personalities was not identified distinctly until 1868, and it was not widely promoted until Whitman was an old man.

Whitman's poetry depicts love and sexuality in a more earthy, individualistic way common in American culture before the medicalization of sexuality in the late 1800s.[115]

As Whitman biographer Jerome Loving wrote, "the discussion of Whitman's sexual orientation will probably continue in spite of whatever evidence emerges."[5]

Though Leaves of Grass was often labeled pornographic or obscene, only one critic remarked on its author's presumed sexual activity: in a November 1855 review, Rufus Wilmot Griswold suggested Whitman was guilty of "that horrible sin not to be mentioned among Christians".[116]

Whitman had intense friendships with many men throughout his life. Some biographers have claimed that he may not have actually engaged in sexual relationships with men,[5] while others cite letters, journal entries and other sources which they claim as proof of the sexual nature of some of his relationships.[117]

Peter Doyle may be the most likely candidate for the love of Whitman's life, according to biographer David S. Reynolds.[118] Doyle was a bus conductor whom Whitman met around 1866 and the two were inseparable for several years. Interviewed in 1895, Doyle said: "We were familiar at once — I put my hand on his knee — we understood. He did not get out at the end of the trip — in fact went all the way back with me."[119] In his notebooks, Whitman disguised Doyle's initials using the code "16.4".[120]

A more direct second-hand account comes from Oscar Wilde. Wilde met Whitman in America in 1882, and wrote to the homosexual rights activist George Cecil Ives that there was "no doubt" about the great American poet's sexual orientation — "I have the kiss of Walt Whitman still on my lips," he boasted.[121]

The only explicit description of Whitman's sexual activities is second hand. In 1924 Edward Carpenter, then an old man, described an erotic encounter he had had in his youth with Whitman to Gavin Arthur, who recorded it in detail in his journal.[122] Late in his life, when Whitman was asked outright if his series of "Calamus" poems were homosexual, he chose not to respond.[123]

There is also some evidence that Whitman may have had sexual relationships with women. He had a romantic friendship with a New York actress named Ellen Grey in the spring of 1862, but it is not known whether or not it was also sexual. He still had a photo of her decades later when he moved to Camden and referred to her as "an old sweetheart of mine".[124]

In a letter dated August 21, 1890 he claimed, "I have had six children - two are dead". This claim has never been corroborated.[125] Toward the end of his life, he often told stories of previous girlfriends and sweethearts and denied an allegation from the New York Herald that he had "never had a love affair".[126]
 

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saliksalik said:
The only explicit description of Whitman's sexual activities is second hand. In 1924 Edward Carpenter, then an old man, described an erotic encounter he had had in his youth with Whitman to Gavin Arthur
I don't think this really contradicts the above., that there is much disagreement and no explicit evidence.
 

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In 1925 the original hand-written manuscript of "Once I Pass'd Through A Populous City" was discovered, showing the poet had changed the gender before the poem was published. The changes are shown in square brackets below:

ONCE I PASSED THROUGH A POPULOUS CITY
by Walt Whitman

Once I pass'd through a populous city imprinting my brain for future
use with its shows, architecture, customs, traditions,
Yet now of all that city I remember only a [wo]man I casually met
there who detain'd me for love of me,
Day by day and night by night we were together--all else has long
been forgotten by me,
I remember I say only that [wo]man who passionately clung to me,
Again we wander, we love, we separate again,
Again he holds me by the hand, I must not go,
I see him [her] close beside me with silent lips sad and tremulous.

Several passages in Leaves of Grass were also deleted in it's original publication on the basis they were too explicit and risque.

Cool heh? Walt Whitman's poetry is almost hypnotic. I often have to read the same passage several times because I'm mesmerized by just the way it sounds.
 

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yourmysterygirl said:
In 1925 the original hand-written manuscript of "Once I Pass'd Through A Populous City" was discovered, showing the poet had changed the gender before the poem was published. The changes are shown in square brackets below:

ONCE I PASSED THROUGH A POPULOUS CITY
by Walt Whitman

Once I pass'd through a populous city imprinting my brain for future
use with its shows, architecture, customs, traditions,
Yet now of all that city I remember only a [wo]man I casually met
there who detain'd me for love of me,
Day by day and night by night we were together--all else has long
been forgotten by me,
I remember I say only that [wo]man who passionately clung to me,
Again we wander, we love, we separate again,
Again he holds me by the hand, I must not go,
I see him [her] close beside me with silent lips sad and tremulous.

Several passages in Leaves of Grass were also deleted in it's original publication on the basis they were too explicit and risque.

Cool heh? Walt Whitman's poetry is almost hypnotic. I often have to read the same passage several times because I'm mesmerized by just the way it sounds.


While it is interesting to question Whitman's sexual inclination. The question has always haunted great poets.

One of the most widely read Muslim mystical poet Rumi was also speculated on his sexuality despite his marriage.

He went into a lonely retreat with his teacher and guide Shams Tabrez, that led to not only a let of question, but their intimacy caused so much jealousy that Shams ultimately disappeared, and was assumed murdered. The fact is never known.

Similalry the sexuality of many Sufis, Mystics, and Saints, has been questioned upon.

Regardless of their sexuality it remains that Whitman and Rumi were and are still the great masters of their realm.

For a glimpse of Rumi please visit as he says:
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/RumiIntro.htm

Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshipper, lover of leaving.
It doesn’t matter.
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come, even if you have broken your vow
a hundred times.
Come, yet again, come, come


Cheers.
 
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