Garden of Eden Escorts

Top 10 Reasons Gay Marriage is Wrong

Bear669

New member
Apr 9, 2006
2,301
3
0
Wilds of the GTA
An embarrasment to beardom....

booboobear said:
Gays should not be allowed to say they are married , marriage is an institution for 2 people of the opposite sex period. They should have equal rights to property and pensions . I love watching cute women eat each other and perform all kinds of sex acts , ok as long as they don't say they are " married "
As I have considered before, I wish you would change your name.

(You should be thrown into a 'bear den'- the huge furry homoerotic kind)
 

newbler

Member
Mar 21, 2006
847
4
18
i really dont give a shit what other people do in the privacy of their own home, straight, gay, bisexual, into beastiality or w/e, but i think that some sort of civil union with the same legal benefits as a straight marriage should be enough for gay couples, i think the terms 'marriage', 'husband", "wife" should be reserved for straight couples, maybe i'm old fashioned and closed minded, but thats just my $0.02
 

LancsLad

Unstable Element
Jan 15, 2004
18,089
0
0
In a very dark place
I read somwhere that 100% of divorces are caused by marriage, and statistics never lie.
 

booboobear

New member
Aug 20, 2003
2,580
0
0
Bear669 said:
As I have considered before, I wish you would change your name.

(You should be thrown into a 'bear den'- the huge furry homoerotic kind)

Hey you change your name I was a bear before you . Real bears aren't gay or if they are they don't marry . I am at ease with gay people but I disagree with them marrying is all .
 

pixiegyrrl

frisky pixie out to play
Jul 25, 2004
94
0
0
oh sooo sooo silly.. Happy pride..

I just edited.. a whole bunch out about teeny tiny little brains.. but you know who you are..

I'm feeling a little cranky today.. and thinking about how many serious issues there are in the world.. and just what am I doing here.. getting annoyed..

back to school work..
 

RTRD

Registered User
Sep 26, 2003
6,004
3
0
Why is it...

...that many of the people who beg and plead so much for acceptance are so quick to reject and belittle anyone who does not agree with them?

You know - I SHUDDER at the thought of being a "conservative". But my observation over the last 5 to 10 years ago has been this:

Yes, there are some nut job Nazi wannabes out there - they can be ignored, and much more often than not their intellectual capacity is so meager they simple cannot be taken seriously. I think we have terms for them - "redneck" comes to mind.

The thing is - take the nut jobs off the table - and conservatives tend to be logical, rational people. I disagree with much of what they have to say, or their apparent position on many subjects, but at least you can talk to them. Some of them anyway.

"Liberals" on the other hand - and gawd help me, I'd like to think I am still one, but I've noticed it depends a great deal on geography - really seem awful closed minded. They seem that they are not prepared to accept any view, any perspective, other than their own. They are quick to defend THEIR beliefs - which I can respect. But explain to me why they must belittle any / all who disagree with them?

Why is it that anyone who has a different personal belief system is "small minded"? Why is it that anyone not like them - even though those they disagree with are in the majority - isn't just of a different mind, but DEAD WRONG?

You know, the conservatives have made great efforts to demonize the word "liberal". To make it a slur, if you will.

I'll be damn though of some "liberals" do not seem to work their asses off to prove them right.
 
Last edited:

RTRD

Registered User
Sep 26, 2003
6,004
3
0
Agreed...

Madison Doll said:
I believe that acceptance and agreement are two seperate things. I think that all should be accepting of the fact that people do have different personal belief systems but they don't have to agree.

On the subject of gay marriage I wonder how it effects any other than those in the marriage???
...and that is something I have always tried to practice, even when my beliefs were....wait for it...more "conservative" (har, har).

Regarding your question - that is a long, long, long debate I have had before. It leads nowhere. If you do not believe what I believe, then you will not agree - or accept - the answers that I would give. And experience has taught me, "you" (not you in particular) will not respect my position.

So, I elect to no longer have that debate. The people have spoken. The damage has been brutal in nature, and wide ranging, but apparently that is what it took.
 

Yuri

New member
Aug 26, 2001
388
0
0
Toronto
Personally I believe the more gay guys in this world the better-off I will be...

Now before anyone goes into a frenzy, think about it.

Assume, 1,000 male & 1,000 females live in a typical neighbourhood:
(that means the odds are 1:1

Assume 50% of the guys are gay, 500 guys for 1,000 females
(odds 2:1 in my favour)

Assume 90% ofthe guys are gay, 100 guys for 1,000 females
(odds in my favor 10:1)

Assume 99.9% of the guys are gay,
1 Guy (ME) for 1,000 Women,:D

See my point.

Oh my aching heart, I would never get any sleep....go for it gay guys.
 

Jade4u

It's been good to know ya
Yuri said:
Personally I believe the more gay guys in this world the better-off I will be...

Now before anyone goes into a frenzy, think about it.

Assume, 1,000 male & 1,000 females live in a typical neighbourhood:
(that means the odds are 1:1

Assume 50% of the guys are gay, 500 guys for 1,000 females
(odds 2:1 in my favour)

Assume 90% ofthe guys are gay, 100 guys for 1,000 females
(odds in my favor 10:1)

Assume 99.9% of the guys are gay,
1 Guy (ME) for 1,000 Women,

See my point.

Oh my aching heart, I would never get any sleep....go for it gay guys.

No, oh my aching heart to hear such a thing. What would a girl like me do then if she needs more men? :(
 

acutus

Active member
Dec 14, 2005
1,866
0
36
Just North of the GTA
Madison Doll said:
On the subject of gay marriage I wonder how it effects any other than those in the marriage???
It effects us all because it is a Moral issue; and as a Moral issue, the appropriate message has to be sent to all of us in Society. For example, there are laws in place that prohibit sex between a Father and Daughter. No reasonable person would attempt to argue that sex between a Father and Daughter is 'good' and 'healthy' and 'normal', anymore than they would attempt to argue that sex between a Mother and her Son is in anyway acceptable, issues of consent notwithstanding. There are laws in place that prohibit sex between a Brother and Sister because the potential outcome of such incestuous unions is known to produce a damaging result. The same is True with regard to Homosexual intercourse, as the result of Homosexual behaviour produces a deadly, incurable, infectious and completly preventable anal disease that has killed(by World Health Organization estimates)50 million people so far and will continue to kill and kill and kill millions more. In reality there is no Biological, Morphological, Physiological, or Evolutionary context for males having sex with one and other. This is not a personal attack on any one individual or group of individuals; nor is it a moral judgement. It is the Truth, plain and simple. I understand that the Homosexual community and its supporters continue to insist that AIDS comes from Monkeys in the Jungle...but I think that we all know in our hearts what the Truth is about where AIDS comes from and how it got started. It is both appalling and offensive that the rest of us in Society are somehow expected to participate in this very serious Lie about the cause of AIDS. People have alluded to notions of 'liberation' and 'freedom' and 'acceptance', and so on and so forth in regards to Homosexual behaviour. However, in my World, the only thing that can truly set an individual Free is the Truth. Other individuals are perfectly entitled to lie and cheat to themselves and others if they feel that they have to; and that's fine, however, for the individuals who understand the fundamental importance of the Truth, we will have to agree to disagree on the Moral imperatives that are central to this issue of Homosexual behaviour and its consequenses. Sincerely, Jon .
 

sleazure

Active member
Aug 30, 2001
4,091
23
38
This thread started out fun and nice, but it sure took a wrong turn.

So much ignorance and bigotry on this board. Sometimes it is
very disturbing.
 

bobistheowl

New member
Jul 12, 2003
4,403
3
0
Toronto
Things get tricky when the definition of a spouse is changed, as it effects other areas of civil law. Take, for instance, private or government pensions.

Suppose that a man leaves his wife prior to retirement, and begins a commonlaw relationship with a gay lover. A cohabitant commonlaw spouse is recognized as the spouse over a person to whom the pension applicant is married to, but separated from. Legislation also requires that a pension be payable for the lifetimes of both the member and spouse, (Joint and Survivor),unless the spouse signs a waiver allowing for the pension to be payable in a different form.

In many cases, the pension benefits earned are in the form of a single life benefit, and the Joint and Survivor amount is an actuarial equivelent, (A reduced amount which takes into account the average life expectancies of persons from a given age onward, (mortality tables), the difference in age between the member and spouse, interest rates, etc.

The figures below have not been actuarially calculated, but they are a close approximation of what the results might be.

Let's assume that the member of a private company pension plan is age 60 at retirement, and the spouse is age 55. The pension is $1,000 per month, as a single life pension with 60 months guaranteed. For a J&S equivelent, payable for both lifetimes with 60% continuation to the spouse, (if living), on the member's death, the actuarially equivelent monthly pension amounts might be:

Member Male, Spouse Female: $880 per month.
Member Female, Spouse Male: $910 per month.
Member Male, Spouse Male: $930 per month
Member Female, Spouse Female: $830 per month.

The differences in actuarial equivelence are based almost entirely on the average life expectancies of Males and Females. It's a statistical fact that, on average, the age at death for a woman is 3-5 years later than that of a man.

I could see many members of a pension plan who are in a heterosexual marriage being upset if a co-worker, with equal accrued benefits, would receive a higher pension specifically because his spouse is of the same gender. I could also see lesbian couples being upset if their pension was more than 10% less than a gay male couple, all other things being equal.

If legislation required that actuarial tables be gender neutral, the lesbian couple would benefit most, as statistically one of the two women would live longer than a member or spouse in any of the other three pairs. Benefits to all might be, say, $870 per month, which would still favour the lesbian couple.

Otherwise, the pension plan might require additional contributions or reduced benefits to conform with the changes in actuarial assumptions. Then the benefit entitlements of a single plan member may be reduced, to offset additional benefits that would be payable to lesbian couples.

We also have to take into account that the determination of the spouse is made at the earlier of the date of retirement or the date of death, and does not take into account who was the spouse for the longest period of time.

Would pension plan members have to prove that they are gay, if being so would result in an enhanced benefit? Could a gay man diagnosed with AIDS have a marriage of convenience arranged, whereby another man would give him a lump sum of money, in exchange for the lifetime survivor pension on the member's death? Would someone be legally free to marry a person of the opposite sex if they are married to, but separated from, a person of the same sex? All of these problems come up when the definition of a spouse is changed.

A major reason why the Income Tax Act gives advantages to married or equivelent to married couples over singles is that heterosexual couples are more likely than singles to have children, who will become tomorrow's tax payers, and pay for the guaranteed government benefits such as CPP and OAP.

The same reasoning is in effect, (though no government will admit it), in immigration policy. Canada allows a higher number of immigrants from developing countries than it does from developed countries because of fertility rates. On average, persons of Asian and African descent have more children than those of European descent. A simple review of population density figures in an Atlas will confirm this.

In five years, the first of the baby boomers will be reaching age 65, and their numbers, as seniors, will steadily increase for 25-30 years thereafter.

Regardless of their contribution to the economy during their working years, senior citizens are a debit to tax dollars, in that they have higher medical bills, and receive payments from government pension, instead of making contributions.

Anybody who pays CPP contributions is not paying for their own future benefits, they're paying the benefits in force for people who have already retired, with the government's implied promise that, when they reach retirement age, persons younger than themselves will foot the bills. It's similar to a pyramid scheme, and it only works as long as the base of the pyramid, (young workers), is significanly larger than the peak, (retirees).

Of course CPP does not work on a paycheque to paycheque basis for benefits, and there is a large amount in the CPP fund, but it is severely underfunded in terms of assets vs future earned benefits. It can't sustain itself if the average couple, regardless of their gender, has less than two children.
 

LancsLad

Unstable Element
Jan 15, 2004
18,089
0
0
In a very dark place
eyeofthedragon said:
the ignore button works wonders, but it is sad


Lets all be adults and call it by its anatomical name. It is called the clitoris and many take Pride in ignoring it. Hope that introduced a little clit of humour into this thread again.:)
 

LancsLad

Unstable Element
Jan 15, 2004
18,089
0
0
In a very dark place
eyeofthedragon said:
twat did you say?

My wife got mad when the lady next door gave me a ride to the cottage. I said I drove her Vulva hard all the way there, forgot the lady has a Jeep. :)
 

DATYdude

Puttin' in Face Time
Oct 8, 2003
3,760
0
36
Wow John - a sincere post for you -

Man when we chatted at the party in December I had no idea that you were so conservative, you sure didn't seem conservative about MPs!

The way I see the debate about same-sex marriage is simple, and no doubt I'm reiterating what others here have said:

One group of people wants to be free so that its members can go about their lives equally with all others in society while doing no harm to others, and part of that equality includes calling their unions marriages and having them legally recognized.

The other group of people, who generally have no contact with the first group, wishes to control aspects of other people's lives because of their often deeply-held personal beliefs. This group is not being forced to do anything other than accept the differences of others.

How to resolve? The group which wants to control others should go fuck off. They can go live in Iran as far as I'm concerned, the attitude is just like the mullahs. There, that was easy!

John, sincerely - If you don't like homosexuality, just leave it at that.

I like that you have made various logical arguments to support your moral values, because that makes the supposed foundations of your values easily open to attack:

For example

1. AIDS has affected gays more than non-gays, which to you proves being gay is wrong. Where to start? This is the dumbest, "you have a disease because god thinks you've been bad" argument. AIDS affects gays disproportionately because of the wau the virus is transmitted. If more people who take the TTC get the flu than people who drive, does that make transit immoral?

2. No physiological/morphological/whatever basis in nature for homosexuality. Well then, why is homosexuality so persistent? It's pretty clear that same-sex unions have been with us throughout history. If it wasn't around in biblical times, they woldn't have forbidden it... Also there are numerous examples in nature of same-sex parterships, whether for pleasure of otherwise, but of course that has nothing to do with humans nor should it condition our moral choices.

Well I don't have any more time to assail your weak arguments but, shit, if you're such a nice guy, why can't you just

-- live and let live
-- stay out of threads that are just meant to wish people a happy pride week
-- or just wish our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters a happy pride week

Sincerely - Dd
 

DATYdude

Puttin' in Face Time
Oct 8, 2003
3,760
0
36
On BTW, it's not important really but it has been PROVEN that AIDS came from monkeys, it just made the jump to humans, just like the next flu epidemic will make the jump from chickens or something.

And John, it's true, the truth will set you free. Enjoy some.
 

LancsLad

Unstable Element
Jan 15, 2004
18,089
0
0
In a very dark place
No judgement being passed I just can't let this series of posts go by without saying it before someone else:

Looks like DATY could have an aka DATI Dine at the I (eye)

Ok thats about just enough from me.:D
 

DATYdude

Puttin' in Face Time
Oct 8, 2003
3,760
0
36
Whip it out Lad.

(Actually not gay but cool with everyone who's cool with everyone.)
 
Toronto Escorts