Top 5 NHL busts this season...?

21pro

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my picks would definitely be:

1. Glen Murray 1 Goal in 16 games
2. Roberto Loungo (7 Wins 8 Losses and 2.72GAA, .907 Sv%) Not the worse goalie, but he's supposedly THE BEST!?! wtf?
3. Afinogenov -- Thought he could step up, guess not
4. Gomez -- Thought he would be way better
5. Patrick Marleau 3 goals ain't bad but zero PowerPlay points!

my 5 team busts...
1) Sabres
2) Devils
3) Flames
4) Thrashers
5) Canucks

honorable mention Anaheim... but, understandable after having a rediculous road swing at beginning of season...
2nd hon. ment. Leafs... supposedly upgraded BIG TIME, but absolutely no defence.
 

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Not sure how the leafs are busts...They might not make the playoffs this year, but most people didn't pick them to make the playoffs.
 

21pro

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you are correct. though, i think most didn't pick them to make the p/o's because they are disgruntled fans... the media did pick them to be slightly better than last season. they are, sord of... more goals... but rediculously horrible defence. and i don't mean the defensemen... Stajan, Steen, Gamache, Poni, Tucker, Kilger have all made far too many BONEhead mistakes.

On the upside:

1) Philly - quite a surprise to me that they gel'd so quickly.
2) Chicago - I knew they'd flash and dash this season.
3) Colorado - great goaltending duo in Theodore and Budaj
4) Montreal - lost Souray, Samsonov and voila... they are amazingly better.
5) Columbus - Adam Foote has got to be the best defensive defenceman in the game. Easily worth 4MIl per season... wakeup JFJ! he wanted to come here!
 

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21pro said:
Leafs... supposedly upgraded BIG TIME, but absolutely no defence.
How is adding Bell (0 Points, 3 games) and Blake (2 goals 2.7 shoot% with 75 shots - most on the team) a BIG TIME upgrade while losing Peca and Oneal? The porous defence is the same as last year with the exception of Toskala in net and his stats are worse than Raycroft.

The Leafs shouldn't even be mentioned as a disappointment because nobody should ever get their hopes up in the first place. Hurts to say it but a cup would be nice in my lifetime...
 

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21pro said:
2. Roberto Loungo (7 Wins 8 Losses and 2.72GAA, .907 Sv%) Not the worse goalie, but he's supposedly THE BEST!?! wtf?
i've watched every canucks game this year and believe me it isn't luongo. it's the lack of defensive help from backchecking forwards. he hasn't been stellar in every game but definitely not in the top 5 busts.

i gotta agree that vanek and blake have to be right up there. dustin penner has to be up there as well (not that i thought much of him as a player to begin with).
 

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How about Vanek, signed a huge contract but has done little
Vanek clearly has not been playing like he deserves the outrageous contract. But it is too early to label him a bust. Unfortunately, the Sabres keep the questionable players, such as Kalinan and Afinoganov and let the good ones such as Drury and Briere walked. The bust came from top management and now shows its full impact. :rolleyes:
 

21pro

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Lapper said:
i've watched every canucks game this year and believe me it isn't luongo. it's the lack of defensive help from backchecking forwards. he hasn't been stellar in every game but definitely not in the top 5 busts.
Indeed I shoulda consulted with my dear Canucks advisor first to see what the issue was in Vancouver-thanks for the insight Lapper... However, I've seen Luongo play a few games and was utterly disappointed. clearly he must have played some great games to make up for it. Brodeur is disappointing too, but not as much as Roberto... actually, i've seen disappointment from Fleury, who is still one of the youngest #1's in the league and Ryan Miller.

I think Penner is not a bust- he's clearly filling into the role of the type of player he was moulded to be... not a star, but a 25 goal scoring power forward with good defensive capabilities and a bit of a touch around the net.

and Blake's 2 goals is still on pace for an ok year. can't blame him for getting cancer, even though they say it is not performance affecting- common it's the big C... it's gotta mess with the head a little bit. and anyways, it's not from lack of effort on Blake's part.
 

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the penguins over achieved last season... remember, they were not expected to make playoffs in 07.

they've long been my team (since early '80s) and I don't see a very competitive team in them yet. they are ages too young and they brought in senior leadership to help, but, guys that are debateably 'too senior' last season it was John LeClair and Mark Recchi... LeClair wasn't on his game enought to stay... this season it seems Recchi and Roberts are both taking quite a long time to get up to speed. you see on lines 2 through 4 there is a big spread between the speed of players and the timing is off on all 3 lines past the first line... ie, there is absolutely no secondary scoring behind Malkin, Crosby and Sykora.
 

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Damnit....

I have Vanek in my pool....
At least he's taking shots..

Other disappointments:

Cheechoo....He's dissappeared along with Marleau....

Shane Doan....

Marian Hossa...
 

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21pro said:
the penguins over achieved last season... remember, they were not expected to make playoffs in 07.

they've long been my team (since early '80s) and I don't see a very competitive team in them yet. they are ages too young and they brought in senior leadership to help, but, guys that are debateably 'too senior' last season it was John LeClair and Mark Recchi... LeClair wasn't on his game enought to stay... this season it seems Recchi and Roberts are both taking quite a long time to get up to speed. you see on lines 2 through 4 there is a big spread between the speed of players and the timing is off on all 3 lines past the first line... ie, there is absolutely no secondary scoring behind Malkin, Crosby and Sykora.
what's happened to jordan staal. The kid could do no wrong last year.
 

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The Oracle said:
what's happened to jordan staal. The kid could do no wrong last year.

Apparently the victim of the dreaded "Sophmore Slump"....:(
 

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LA Kings signed two guys; Nagy and Handzus (one goal) who are doing nothing. Plus, they still don't have a goalie (ex Leaf JS Aubin is now the # 1 guy).
 

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To Vanek defense ... He didn't ask for that much money he was offered
that crazy contract and the Sabres had to match ....
Vanek is the lucky recipient of 'low bow' Lowe's offer. In his case, Mr. Dumb Dumb Regier matched the offer. The Sabres should have let the Oilers take Vanek and receive 4 first round pick in return. Then the Sabres' future would have been much brighter. Perhaps Mr. Moronic Regier did not foresee that this is the rebuilding year for the Sabres after suffering major loss in offensive might. :rolleyes:
 
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21pro

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The Oracle said:
what's happened to jordan staal. The kid could do no wrong last year.
he's doin great... on the PK!

he's nowhere near the flash and dash of a Malkin or Crosby. but, people in Peterborough already knew that.
Manji said:
Other disappointments:

Cheechoo....He's dissappeared along with Marleau....

Shane Doan....

Marian Hossa...
Cheechoo will come around. He's playing a real good role as a checking forward right now. besides he's only a 20-30 goal scorer and he'll reach that mark.
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LA Kings signed two guys; Nagy and Handzus (one goal) who are doing nothing. Plus, they still don't have a goalie (ex Leaf JS Aubin is now the # 1 guy).
everyone knew about Nagy and Handzus and their inconsistent play... so i wouldn't call them a bust.

Aubin is not #1 in LA... he's #3 behind 2 backups!!! LaBarberra is #1, rookie Bernier is #2... Aubin's been a HEALTHY SCRATCH for 11 of LA's 16 games this season.
 

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hey 21pro, clearly you missed the kings sending the rookie bernier down nearly three weeks back. aubin is at the very least number two right now in LA, and with the inconsistency of labarbera, he could become 1A in LA shortly. while i do not think he is a clear cut number one goalie, he had a one good year in pittsburgh, as well as a late run a few years back in toronto where he went 9-0 to close out the year, aubin is a very capable and serviceable goalie, who can keep a number one goaltender very honest.

i do not think you can rate the penguins as dissappointing, because they overachieved greatly last year. get past crosby and malkin up front, then they are struggling to get any kind of secondary scoring. staal has regressed badly from his rookie year, but that was to be expected (what if they had taken hawks rookie toews with this pick when they had the chance) as he played over his head last year. guys like christensen and malone have not picked up the slack. fleury has a huge problem controlling rebounds, to the point where the pens have kicked the tires around the league looking for a potential number one elsewhere. pens are also not sneaking up on anyone either this year.

everyone knew the canucks could not score enough last year, and went into this year with possibly an even worse offence. luongo is good, but he can only do so much.

the devils started the year with a new coach, a new system, a horrible start to the season with a 9 game road trip, as well as the loss of their best defenseman (rafalski), and one of their better forwards (gomez). they also began the year without colin white and jamie langenbrunner, as well as watching brodeur struggle to start. things now seems to be turning around, with brodeur coming around, parise continuing to evolve into one of the better young guns in the game, as well as madden shedding his defense-only label and kicking in some offense. never count the devils out, especially with the game's best goaltender backstopping them every nite.

leafs??? uggghhh. number one, where did maurice and tucker begin to fall out? tucker has been very valuable to the leafs the last few years, especially on the powerplay, so why does maurice take him off the top two scoring lines, and the number one powerplay unit to start the year? tucker has been top five in the league the last two years in powerplay goals scored. blake is not meshing with sundin, two guys who clearly need the puck themselves more than they dish to each other. leave sundin with antropov and possibly steen, and put wellwood with blake and tucker. mccabe continues to slide into total suckdom, making that 5 year deal with a no-trade clause look better and better by the day. pick one goalie and run with him, period. deal raycroft, shed his salary and bring in some more help up front. ferguson clearly has got to go.

buffalo? for sure, you don't lose your heart and soul (drury), then your best scorer (briere), watch your already suspect defence lose possibly it's anchor to heart surgery (numminem), and think things will be okay. miller has been good, not great, and afinogenov has played horrible...these two guys clearly have alot of pressure on them, and as of yet, have not lived up to it. vanek has not been bad, but not playing anywhere close to his huge salary. same can be said of derek roy. this team has too many guys who do the same thing, maybe deal one of their speedy forwards, and bring in a gritty type. the defense is a problem getting worse by the day (and we think the leafs have issue on the back end).

surprise team so far? have to say the 'canes and 'hawks. carolina has returned to their stanley cup form of two years ago, mainly in part to the return of cory stillman, eric staal getting back to form, and goalie cam ward coming to camp in shape. the hawks have a bright future with patrick kane and jonathan toews up front . they also have young vets like marty havlat (if he can ever stay healthy) and tuomo ruutu, with more youth coming in jack skille and dave bolland. they are young on the blue line too, with seabrook, kieth and wisniewski already up, and hopefully former first round pick cam barker finally maturing and joining them. great future finally for this one-time great original six franchise. finally breaking free from the reigns of the old-thinking ways of former owner bill wirtz, can only help this team go one way...up! leaf fans should know how this team seemingly changed when ballard passed on.

so far...

MVP...paul statsny/henry lundqvist
best d-man - niklas lidstrom (check out his plus/minus)
best goalie - henrik lundqvist
best rookie - patrick kane
best coach - ken hitchcock
most improved player - rick nash/mike richards

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