Toronto cops unable to identify subject officer included his roommate and supervisor

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The guy who viciously beat the crap out of a G20 protester, whose face was clearly photographed, could not be positively identified by 11 different officers who were in the area. It's turned out that some of those 11 officers who could not recognize his face included his roommate and his supervisor.

Hello?

The cops are just fucking dirty here. Some committed crimes. Others are colluding in the coverup, and should be treated as accessories after the fact.

DiManno really isn't pulling any punches in her crusade against the Toronto Police over this issue, but I think she happens to be right in this case:

If a civilian did what these cops did, he would have been arrested already on the basis of the evidence that already exists. The cops are not pursuing charges because they feel a different law ought to apply to the police than applies to the general public.

This needs to be cleaned up. Now.

Rosie DiManno said:
The one-year anniversary of the G20 Summit policing fiasco will shortly be upon us.

Yet none of the half dozen internal and external inquiries into what went so disastrously wrong last June has been tabled yet. A police board inquiry won’t even start its hearings until next week.

Only a narrow investigation by Ontario ombudsman André Marin that looked at the misapplication of an obscure security enhancement regulation under the Public Works Protection Act has seen the light of day.

And just one from among the many bullying, bushwhacking officers who assaulted peaceful protesters has been charged.

In cop lingo, the clearance rate is dismal.

Unless, of course, the intention was always to clear cops of wrongdoing by burying the G20 autopsies under a heap of paper-chase bureaucracy. But however much Premier Dalton McGuinty and Chief Bill Blair might wish it, this law-and-order shiner isn’t going to fade away.

On Thursday, the Special Investigations Unit announced it has reopened a probe — for the third time — into one specific complaint of alleged police brutality, the beating of Dorian Barton.

SIU director Ian Scott does not score big points for that.

The pissing match between Scott and police spokesman Mark Pugash has been entertaining to watch. It’s almost like the old days when police board chair Susan Eng went mano-a-mano with then-chief Bill McCormack. McCormack, though, had no problem speaking for himself, if in tortuous McCormack-ese, and was always available to reporters. Blair, by comparison, has largely delegated the push-back to his communications pitbull. Who is actually running that asylum?

Somebody at the cop shop is — how shall I put this delicately? — lying. Actually, a whole bunch of officers would appear to be prevaricating over the no-see-um insistence on what happened to Barton in the incident wherein he was tackled to the ground, suffering a broken right arm, black eye, swollen limbs and bruised back.

Eleven witness officers — count ’em — have told the SIU they were unable to identify the culprit in their midst, though eight were in the immediate vicinity of the incident and photographic evidence clearly shows a recognizable individual through his face shield. Further, as the Star’s Dan Robson exclusively reported Thursday, Scott has learned that one from among the Group of Eleven was the suspect officer’s G20 roommate and two others were supervisors who presumably knew the names of those under their command.

This isn’t a whodunit mystery.

Indeed, as Pugash told the Star a week ago, the Toronto Police Service has on three occasions since January given the suspect officer’s name to the SIU. The means by which he was ID’d, however, is a puzzle, insofar as that methodology is even relevant.

Pugash says the officer’s handle was obtained by zooming in on the badge number and name in the photograph. Scott counters that he was unable to duplicate that feat, despite borrowing technology from the province’s revenue ministry. (Why the revenue ministry would even have such technology is another matter entirely.)

Barton’s father tried also, employing a software program downloaded from the Toronto Police Service website, but came up empty too. So what is Pugash talking about? That’s an issue which might be resolved now that the police have agreed to allow the SIU to interview the employee who performed the photo-identifying deed.

Yet this is a tangential diversion from the core of the matter: The SIU’s prolonged unwillingness to charge the suspect officer on evidence that would sure as hell be good enough for police to charge a civilian. If there exists, as many suspect, one law for cops and one for the rest of us, Scott is just as guilty of adhering to it.

The SIU director continues to insist that a positive identification of the officer, by name, is essential for a charge to stand up in court. The “loop’’, he posits, is insufficient to support a prosecution, though he’s got a witness, photographer Andrew Wallace, who saw Barton being struck by that officer and is willing to testify in court.

Believe me. If I took a swing at, oh, let’s say a traffic officer and someone standing by saw it, I’d be in handcuffs lickety-split.

In recent off-the-record discussions I’ve had with legal experts, including Crown attorneys and a senior judge, not one has been able to fathom Scott’s reasoning. It’s as if he wants this charge bubble-wrapped up in defence-proof binding.

Such a lofty standard is unfair to Barton and, frankly, further damages an agency that spends way too much time whining about what it can’t do. The truth is, what it chooses not to do.

This isn’t just about Barton anymore. It’s about the integrity of both the SIU and Toronto’s police department.

Leave it for a judge or jury to decide if the charge is supportable on the evidence. That’s not Scott’s job.

I want a prosecutor to call all 11 witness officers to the stand so they can be asked, under oath, if they recognize the defendant as the person who struck Barton. I want to hear them, one by one, deny it. I want their names on the public record.

With the shell game some cops are playing right now, that feels even more vital than a conviction.

In the court of public opinion, let them be judged.
http://www.thestar.com/news/toronto...g20-policing-black-eye-isn-t-fading-away?bn=1
 

The Bandit

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The person should have stayed home...they dont beat you for no reason. End of story.
 

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Where is blackrock to defend this deplorable behavior?
How about now Newbie. Rosie is being Rosie. There's nothing wrong with the investigations still not having tabled their report, especially since they're not finished. It means the investigation are not finished yet. Of course you and Rosie each know why in each of the half dozen cases?

Puash, he's doing what he 's paid to do. It's not up to him to make it easy. He's no different then Syd Ryan or Mark Fergeson of CUPE. As for Scott, he knows that to go through the whole practice and not make it absolutely fire proof should a decision to prosecute be made, the whole thong will blow up. Any of our lawyer members will tell you that cases against police officer are very difficult because juries are very cautious when it comes to find officers guilty. It has to be air tight. She's show her ignorance, on purpose or not, by this statement,

'Leave it for a judge or jury to decide if the charge is supportable on the evidence. That’s not Scott’s job'.

I notice that the lawyers interviewed for their opinions were not named. No shit. I wonder why.
 

Kilgore Trout

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This is Vic Mackey of "The Shield" strategy for dealing with the public.
Baffle them with bullshit.

 

Don Draper

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The person should have stayed home...they dont beat you for no reason. End of story.
WTF!?!?!?!

A statement of astounding naivete, if ever.
 

wazup

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WTF!?!?!?!

A statement of astounding naivete, if ever.
Don Drapers recount of the G20 summit as he saw it first hand:

As I walked through the G20 summit protests with a couple asian ladies by my side, I noticed this one breathtaking female officer. Her feminine curves were showcased through her snug fitting uniform. Her hair glistened in the afternoon sun, her lipstick was blood red as if it was painted on by Picasso. She courageously stood her ground on the front lines, yet somehow was able to maintain her femininity in the most graceful manner.

My mind wandered as I began to fantasize of her supple breasts that hung so beautifully from her chest which was attached to her wonderfully shaped shoulders. How could such a lovely ray of sunshine be be so grossly misrepresented in a dark blue uniform, and not a scantilly clad sun dress that would hang so eloquently from her shoulders down to her mid thigh. I felt I owed it to this divine magazine covergirl to ask her to join Mr. Draper and my two asian friends, an offer she accepted, prompting her to lay down her shield and weapons, quit her job, and join Don Draper in an afternoon of pure bliss.
 

red

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the same officers who won't identify a fellow officer will then turn around and complain that certain communities won't come forth to testify when crimes are comitted
 

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1. Peaceful protests are one thing, but antagonization is definitely another.
Why couldn't the lead protestors work with the TPS stay in the QP and March around
there.

2. When you place yourself in harm's way, there is only you to blame. Protesters should
be responsible for their actions and themselves. When told to disperse an area, do
it without question.

3. Those (lookie-loos) are worse than protesters because they already know what is
happening and place themselves in harm's way regardless of what could be
happening right outside their doors. Instead of walking east that weekend, walk
west, shop west, club west, etc. Those on the east side of Toronto, stay east.
Downtown head north to Dundas Square or Bloor, there's lots to do that way on a
weekend.

4. Instead of suckin' and whinnin', why not add suggestions on administration or
manage such an undertaking.
A. There was no need to host the G8 in muskoka or create a fake lake.
B. There were too many hands in the cookie jar. One group preferably (CAF) is in
charge of security JMO.
C. Hold summits in Manitoba, who in their right mind would want to go there.

5. A. Hire Blackwater or some other mercenary force to provide security.
B. Hire the H.A. to provide security, after they beat the chocolate out of protestors,
they can be arrested and jailed in SHU. 2 Birds/1 Stone.


I often wonder about columnists like Dimanno if they have personal security? Would anyone be shocked if she vanished?
 

guelph

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The person should have stayed home...they dont beat you for no reason. End of story.
That statement is true they beat the people for the pleasure of it.

listen officer -- the people who were beaten were not committing crimes - the police who did not have balls to stop the black bloc are the criminals here
 

blackrock13

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the same officers who won't identify a fellow officer will then turn around and complain that certain communities won't come forth to testify when crimes are comitted
........ and they'd be in agreement with many of the neighbourhood leaders in those communities.
 

guelph

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1. Peaceful protests are one thing, but antagonization is definitely another.
Why couldn't the lead protestors work with the TPS stay in the QP and March around
there.

2. When you place yourself in harm's way, there is only you to blame. Protesters should
be responsible for their actions and themselves. When told to disperse an area, do
it without question.

3. Those (lookie-loos) are worse than protesters because they already know what is
happening and place themselves in harm's way regardless of what could be
happening right outside their doors. Instead of walking east that weekend, walk
west, shop west, club west, etc. Those on the east side of Toronto, stay east.
Downtown head north to Dundas Square or Bloor, there's lots to do that way on a
weekend.

4. Instead of suckin' and whinnin', why not add suggestions on administration or
manage such an undertaking.
A. There was no need to host the G8 in muskoka or create a fake lake.
B. There were too many hands in the cookie jar. One group preferably (CAF) is in
charge of security JMO.
C. Hold summits in Manitoba, who in their right mind would want to go there.

5. A. Hire Blackwater or some other mercenary force to provide security.
B. Hire the H.A. to provide security, after they beat the chocolate out of protestors,
they can be arrested and jailed in SHU. 2 Birds/1 Stone.


I often wonder about columnists like Dimanno if they have personal security? Would anyone be shocked if she vanished?
that's what I like officer threats against those that don't agree with you
 

red

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1. Peaceful protests are one thing, but antagonization is definitely another.
Why couldn't the lead protestors work with the TPS stay in the QP and March around
there.

2. When you place yourself in harm's way, there is only you to blame. Protesters should
be responsible for their actions and themselves. When told to disperse an area, do
it without question.

3. Those (lookie-loos) are worse than protesters because they already know what is
happening and place themselves in harm's way regardless of what could be
happening right outside their doors. Instead of walking east that weekend, walk
west, shop west, club west, etc. Those on the east side of Toronto, stay east.
Downtown head north to Dundas Square or Bloor, there's lots to do that way on a
weekend.

4. Instead of suckin' and whinnin', why not add suggestions on administration or
manage such an undertaking.
A. There was no need to host the G8 in muskoka or create a fake lake.
B. There were too many hands in the cookie jar. One group preferably (CAF) is in
charge of security JMO.
C. Hold summits in Manitoba, who in their right mind would want to go there.

5. A. Hire Blackwater or some other mercenary force to provide security.
B. Hire the H.A. to provide security, after they beat the chocolate out of protestors,
they can be arrested and jailed in SHU. 2 Birds/1 Stone.


I often wonder about columnists like Dimanno if they have personal security? Would anyone be shocked if she vanished?
what about those who were protesting at queens park in the designated area for protesting?
 

red

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........ and they'd be in agreement with many of the neighbourhood leaders in those communities.
what are you talking about? I am talking about the hypocrisy of officers lamenting when community members don't come forth to report crimes and give evidence and at the same time the very same ploice won't do the same.
 

criticalwon

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1. Peaceful protests are one thing, but antagonization is definitely another.
Why couldn't the lead protestors work with the TPS stay in the QP and March around
there.

2. When you place yourself in harm's way, there is only you to blame. Protesters should
be responsible for their actions and themselves. When told to disperse an area, do
it without question.

3. Those (lookie-loos) are worse than protesters because they already know what is
happening and place themselves in harm's way regardless of what could be
happening right outside their doors. Instead of walking east that weekend, walk
west, shop west, club west, etc. Those on the east side of Toronto, stay east.
Downtown head north to Dundas Square or Bloor, there's lots to do that way on a
weekend.

4. Instead of suckin' and whinnin', why not add suggestions on administration or
manage such an undertaking.
A. There was no need to host the G8 in muskoka or create a fake lake.
B. There were too many hands in the cookie jar. One group preferably (CAF) is in
charge of security JMO.
C. Hold summits in Manitoba, who in their right mind would want to go there.

5. A. Hire Blackwater or some other mercenary force to provide security.
B. Hire the H.A. to provide security, after they beat the chocolate out of protestors,
they can be arrested and jailed in SHU. 2 Birds/1 Stone.


I often wonder about columnists like Dimanno if they have personal security? Would anyone be shocked if she vanished?
Wow your a moron. Please use that same justification for the people protesting in the middle east right now. By your stupid logic those security forces in the middle east have full right to fire live rounds at protesters because they didnt disperse without question when they were told. But let me guess, you're like "oh no whats going on over there is inhumane and you shouldn't treat people like that" right? And funny how you mention marching around Queens Park. Guess you didn't see the police fully go against their word and attack the Queens Park protesters too. Or maybe you did, but your too blinded by ingnorance to see reality.
 
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