The very high majority of Ontarians understand the importance of self isolation and the shutting down of non essential businesses in the fight against the Coronavirus. While there are some very irrational, loud and ignorant people who still haven't understood the threat the Coronavirus represents to us. Thankfully our government both provincial and federal fully understand this.
Toronto Protest - End Covid Lockdown
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100%. It may be harsh if were comparing our government with the competent ones like South Korea, but thats the reality. Compared to the US (low bar) its not saying much tbh.We already missed our prime time to shut everything down...take a look at New Zealand and why they are moving on and they hardly have any deaths...they didn’t wait until the damage was done to lockdown everything...they shutdown when it was the right time to do so and closed their borders off they didn’t care about this politically correct BS...
The same leaders the “majority” of Ontarians are praising are the same leaders that misled them when they should have locked down they wasted time and now pushing this protocol on them which is essentially dammed if you do and damned if you don’t...the aim was to be to take the strain off the healthcare system which is what we’re all doing...but this can’t go on for much longer or the cure will be worse than the virus....really the best option if you want to flatten the curve you lockdown when it’s the right time to do so and don’t let it spread like wildfire and the common denominator here is TIMING....our ship sailed a long time ago so we need to accept that fact and get our economy back running while keeping those at risk safe....
Around 75% of all Ontario deaths are LTC, meaning we havent really solved the issue of the most vulnerable.
We didn't miss the time to shut everything down, We've been shut down for over a month now and it has paid off in not overburdening our healthcare system.We already missed our prime time to shut everything down...take a look at New Zealand and why they are moving on and they hardly have any deaths...they didn’t wait until the damage was done to lockdown everything...they shutdown when it was the right time to do so and closed their borders off they didn’t care about this politically correct BS...
The same leaders the “majority” of Ontarians are praising are the same leaders that misled them when they should have locked down they wasted time and now pushing this protocol on them which is essentially dammed if you do and damned if you don’t...the aim was to be to take the strain off the healthcare system which is what we’re all doing...but this can’t go on for much longer or the cure will be worse than the virus....really the best option if you want to flatten the curve you lockdown when it’s the right time to do so and don’t let it spread like wildfire and the common denominator here is TIMING....our ship sailed a long time ago so we need to accept that fact and get our economy back running while keeping those at risk safe....
This whole idea that we need to get the economy up and running ASAP without responsible tracing prior and including health measures after in place is not one that we should take, as the effects will be horrible.
New Zealand also has a geographical advantage being more isolated and with less international travel.We already missed our prime time to shut everything down...take a look at New Zealand and why they are moving on and they hardly have any deaths...they didn’t wait until the damage was done to lockdown everything...they shutdown when it was the right time to do so and closed their borders off they didn’t care about this politically correct BS...
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Pretty soon people are going to be comparing Canada to the moon. Meanwhile in reality Canada has handled the fight against the Coronavirus better than all other poplulated (25Mln+) developed western nations that instituted isolations.New Zealand also has a geographical advantage being more isolated and with less international travel.
Trudeau had a tough decision to make closing the US border and he didnt do so until it was late. Now theyre overcompensating for what will be a little too long imo.New Zealand also has a geographical advantage being more isolated and with less international travel.
There is no law against it, just the request to limit travel.Just wait till all the cottagers head up north for the long weekend in a few weeks time. Good luck stopping them.....
I read that this morning, cottagers are allowed to go to their cottages anytime they like in Ontario. However it appears things such as public boat launches are closed at the moment. Imagine that will be relaxed in the coming days.There is no law against it, just the request to limit travel.
Trudeau had a tough decision to make closing the US border and he didnt do so until it was late. Now theyre overcompensating for what will be a little too long imo.
There you go. And how are they overcompensating compared to other countries of similar populations?Meanwhile in reality Canada has handled the fight against the Coronavirus better than all other popullated (25Mln+) developed western nations that instituted isolations.
You asked about New Zealand and I answered.So explain South Korea.
Support for the lockdown in France is less than 50%, currently at 43% support, and continues to fall weekly. One of the hardest hit Countries, Italy, is set to start easing restrictions May 4. Schools to remain closed until September.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...t-coronavirus-lockdown-drops-below-50-percent
Also of interest, France, Italy and Spain prepare to ease coronavirus lockdowns. France started their lockdown March 16, pretty much when Canada started to shut it down.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-spain-prepare-to-ease-coronavirus-lockdowns
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...t-coronavirus-lockdown-drops-below-50-percent
Also of interest, France, Italy and Spain prepare to ease coronavirus lockdowns. France started their lockdown March 16, pretty much when Canada started to shut it down.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-spain-prepare-to-ease-coronavirus-lockdowns
Posters on TERB would have us believe these French people are uneducated Trump supporters from the deep south. It turns out that the majority of rational people can see right through this quarantine disaster.Support for the lockdown in France is less than 50%, currently at 43% support, and continues to fall weekly. One of the hardest hit Countries, Italy, is set to start easing restrictions May 4. Schools to remain closed until September.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...t-coronavirus-lockdown-drops-below-50-percent
Experts fucked up, plain and simple. Their models and projections were way off the mark. Of course it's better to be safe than sorry, but now we know that it's extremely contagious (to the point of virtually being out of our control) but also very low in kill rate, the media should ease up on the fear tactics. It's tiring.
It's very sad that while the kill rate is low, more people will die from covid than say, the flu, because it's so much more contagious. But there is no practical way to contain it at this point, if there ever was.
The vast majority of people that don't support the lockdowns are not going to attend protests wearing maga hats. They're just going to go about their daily business.
You have not stepped outside have you?The very high majority of Ontarians understand the importance of self isolation and the shutting down of non essential businesses in the fight against the Coronavirus. While there are some very irrational, loud and ignorant people who still haven't understood the threat the Coronavirus represents to us. Thankfully our government both provincial and federal fully understand this.
Even here (and I live far from Lakeshore) you can see streets are packed with people who have stopped drinking Trudeau / Tam's Koolaid
This weekend I saw groups of people in parks, on hiking trails, even house and a block party with loud music and all
Quebec already said in court the rules are "voluntary" so unless Supreme Court of Canada overrides them the bylaw tickets are essentially extra toilet paper
Want to see a competent response? Even other provinces smoked us (eg New Brunswick prob best province in Canada for Covid)100%. It may be harsh if were comparing our government with the competent ones like South Korea, but thats the reality. Compared to the US (low bar) its not saying much tbh.
Around 75% of all Ontario deaths are LTC, meaning we havent really solved the issue of the most vulnerable.
No reality is the rest of Canada did well, not Toronto and GTA areaPretty soon people are going to be comparing Canada to the moon. Meanwhile in reality Canada has handled the fight against the Coronavirus better than all other poplulated (25Mln+) developed western nations that instituted isolations.
Ontario & Quebec were by far the worst in this pandemic
And I seriously think next election will show this
I hope Jack Bauer interrogates them afterwards ;I hope the cops arrest them and place them all on an involuntary 14-day quarantine in a locked facility.
Who says anyone there ignored or violated anything?Thousands more ignored bylaws along Lakeshore etc
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-covid-19-update-april-25-1.5545389
In many places exercising in fresh air is considered an essential outing, as well as going out for essential groceries, prescriptions, etc.
"While the messaging has been occasionally muddled from different levels of government, Toronto’s top public health officers have been consistent: you can go for a walk. You actually should go for a walk. Staying cooped up inside can have mental and physical health consequences too, and they don’t want residents suffering those ill effects, either.
“Going for a walk can be necessary if you have a pet. It’s also an important public health intervention to keep physically active, to build muscle and to improve mental health and well-being,” said Dr. Vinita Dubey, Toronto Public Health associate medical officer of health.
There are critically important exceptions to that advice. If you have COVID-19 or are otherwise ill, if you had close contact with someone who has COVID-19, or if you recently returned from international travel, you should not — and now in Toronto legally cannot, in most of those cases — go for a walk.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/04/01/lets-venture-out-on-a-limb-can-we-go-for-a-walk.html
"Only go out for groceries, medical needs, or exercise."
https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/covid-19-coronavirus-within-vancouver.aspx
Going outside for exercise isn't a protest. It's an allowable essential outing.Most people won't participate in a formal protest, but thousands will 'protest' by just going outside to the beach and boardwalk like normal people wanting to enjoy summer without regard for a batshit crazy government that thinks 253 dead from a new flu out of 3 million people is a crisis requiring every man, woman, and child to change their way of life.
Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, would have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.
Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.
As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.
Can't go on much longer? Haven't you heard? The whole world is opening up. Lockdowns are about to end.We already missed our prime time to shut everything down...take a look at New Zealand and why they are moving on and they hardly have any deaths...they didn’t wait until the damage was done to lockdown everything...they shutdown when it was the right time to do so and closed their borders off they didn’t care about this politically correct BS...
The same leaders the “majority” of Ontarians are praising are the same leaders that misled them when they should have locked down they wasted time and now pushing this protocol on them which is essentially dammed if you do and damned if you don’t...the aim was to be to take the strain off the healthcare system which is what we’re all doing...but this can’t go on for much longer or the cure will be worse than the virus....really the best option if you want to flatten the curve you lockdown when it’s the right time to do so and don’t let it spread like wildfire and the common denominator here is TIMING....our ship sailed a long time ago so we need to accept that fact and get our economy back running while keeping those at risk safe....
Until the next wave of infections and deaths come & many of them choose to either (a) risk their health systems being overrun or (b) shutdown again.
South Koreans also wear masks.So explain South Korea then with a population higher than ours and still managed to effectively control this on time...literally the week before March break Ford was telling everyone to enjoy their March break and go travel...back in November also cut public funding for healthcare...they misled Canadians telling them to lockdown and give up their freedoms after the damage was already done....and even after the fact still there are flights coming in from China...we are gonna have to admit this virus isn’t going anywhere we can contain it but can not eliminate it and at some point the economy needs to restart...
we would have been in a much better place if we had a more efficient healthcare system and a robust economy that can sustain itself and also if we had travel bans early on and lockedown when it was the right time to do so which is what New Zealand did...population or popularity isn’t really relevant...it’s the principle...
