Trip to Vegas with local SP

A1Provider

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My BOX is squeaky clean and waiting for you Willy!!! I am patiently lying here , relaxed, and in the buff ,waiting for your Willy , Willywants!!!
I would love to share travel stories with you Willy. I might even break my rule and divulge my identity to only you Willy.
 
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Hey A1!
You would have to fit in a carry on and pass under the bar at security!
If you think for one moment I would let you out of my sight once I have you in the bag...oops!.....let's just say packed, you would be mistaken! There are games to be played and clubs to join in the passenger cabin!
I don't think putting you in the luggage compartment with the animals would be appropriate!
So how long do you have? A year? Two? We could really get to know each other!
Here's my lead in line!

"I would like to strike up a meaningful, intimate relationship with that part of you that distinguishes you as a woman.......your mind!"

Willywants (to go to bed!.....It's late!)
 

A1Provider

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SLICK WILLY!!!!!!

Boy do you have a way with words. Willy you are too SMOOTH!!!
Your new name should be Slick Willy. I still am looking for a creative writing professor, if you are interested.
I think this could get quite dangerous , you sound like my fantasy man Willy. Mature, sweet, intelligent, funny ,a romantic to the 10th degree, well travelled, respectful and a man who loves to please women. You could capture the affection of any woman with that beautiful and romantic line!! You are truly a one of a kind Willy. I think you could start a side business and teach lessons to other men. I can see it now your school would be called......
The Willywants Gentlemans' School of Wooing Women. Guaranteed Results- Capture the Heart of any woman you want!!! Time tested slick ,smooth ,techniques and secrets. Money back gaurantee.

Willy I will PM you later today.

BTW-Yes I am an admitted WILLWANTS groupie. Just joined the long line up of fans. Willy, we need to vote you for something special here in Terb. Maybe the prize will be a full night with a lady of your choice. She would be the lucky one. Maybe we will invite you out on a girls night out and gang up on you later, that is if we get your permission first of course! It feels like my first school girl crush in the 6th grade LOL. I hope there is some 12Step group out there if this crush gets too intense. LOL
Willy your posts always bring a smile to my face :)
 
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my 02 cents

Wow what a thread!
I'm going to go right down the middle here and say I think both sides are right.
First off, I believe if two people have a good relationship going on with each other, it's no ones business really how much or how little one pays for such an arrangement. Shack didn't twist the young lady's arm. She obviously agreed because she was very comfortable with him, and whatever amount she agreed on does not make her any less of a person or a bad business woman. I just don't see where the harm is.

I once knew a SP who I only paid for her services once, but we developed a friendship and I would help her with her on-line business. I didn't help her because I wanted something from her, or for money, I did it just because I knew she needed help and thats the way I am. One day I told her how much I needed a vacation, but since I had recently broke up with my girlfriend I didn't want to go alone. She immediately told me she would go with me if I just paid her way. Just to make it clear, we were just friends, she had a boyfriend, there would have been sex, she wanted to go on a vacation and I did too. Is there anything wrong with this? Should she have tried to charge me $2000 a day?

However, if someone wants to go on a trip with a beautiful woman, and they call an escort agency not knowing any of the ladies, they should expect to pay whatever the going rate is. Sure you can try to negotiate a little, but if the lady asks for $2000 a day, I think it would be insulting to offer $500 or even $1000 if you simply don't know the person that well or at all.

True business is business, but that is up to the two people involved. No one really knows how well Shack and the lady in question got along together before they went on this trip.
Even people in business make deals and do favors for each other. If you don't, watch your competition step in and be more then happy to oblidge.

Just my 02 cents

p.s I never went on the trip with the lady. Although I did feel it was very nice of her to offer.

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My experience

Great thread! It's a rainy afternoon in Ft Lauderdale and I just wondered in... some TERB old-timers... at least Fred and Shiek, will remember me from past visits to Toronto, one of my AFT cities!

Now, it happens that multi-day trips with ladies are my "speciality" and I've seen both sides of the pricing argument, and I believe a lady's position on it often depends on why she's in the "biz".

A1 (I'd love to know who she is... I love "fiesty" women) argues for keeping the high posted daily rates because, as she points out, she's a "professional" (in the best sense of the word") and there are a lot of unseen costs to the biz. Further, and while she doesn't say it, the high daily rate keeps out the riff-raff and provides compensation insurance for the occasional lousy time. To my knowledge, the most common full price dates are when the lady has never met the guy.

Shack's Lady X may be more casual to the biz... it's a way to pick up extra money and maybe see some of the world, as she did with Shack. And, since Lady X knew Shack from past encounters, so she knew she'd have a good time and didn't need the "insurance" pricing.

All service businesses are going to have different prices for the same task. If you get you car fixed at the dealer, you'll pay more than at the local garage, and still more than at the neighbor who fixes cars in his driveway. The dealer, of course argues all should charge his rate.

As I said, I've had quite a few experiences with trips. Until this year, I never travelled with anyone I hadn't spent a night with, but this year I've had all good experiences based on a pix exchange and a few long phone calls. I do have a life-style some think is a vacation... I'm single, live on the water with my boat out back and have a home on my name-sake island. And, I'm a well-known TBD poster on the East Coast. I tell you this as it may factor into the pricing. I've had ladies in the biz travel with me for prices ranging from nothing for a weekend to US$800/day for a week. Of course, I pay all expenses ... and the lady that was for nothing got a US$635 pair of shoes she "had" to have :))

Here's a recap of a few of my trips (all with women between 28 and 36, so naivete isn't in the picture):

March 2001 a blonde (now retired) from Toronto came for a week on the boat in Ft Lauderdale (before I moved here) and the Keys for C$1,000/day. We had spent a weekend together in Toronto, which was preceeded by about 50 pages of emails, so the rate reflected our "clicking". The same lady came again in May for a trip to Bimini at the same rate. She then had a friend visiting from the Far East and wanted to bring her for C$500/day, plus expenses. How could I say "no" to a week long 3-some? Death by blondes, I called it.

Later in the summer, and after posting an ISO First Mate on East Coast TBDs, I flew several ladies to Boston for "interviews" at US$1,000/night to see who would join me on a New England cruise. The rate I offered in my post was $500/night and the winner, Meredith, posted this review (follow the link inside it to my review of the trip):
http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/miami/msgs/posts/26354.html My posting the rate upset several ladies in the biz, just as A1 is upset, and they prevailed on TBD to take it down. OTH, several ladies posted that no one had to respond if they thought the rate was too low, and that they liked the vacation-with-pay concept.

This year I've had several ladies that started out "on the clock", US$1,200 and US1,600 a weekend, then go off the clock after a few visits. No, we didn't fall in love, but they felt we had become good friends and didn't want a money-based friendship. Next week a lady arrives from the West Coast. She lists on her site a "monthly girlfriend" service that involves 1 weekend, several long dinner dates and several afternoon sessions for US$2600 a month. She's coming for 10 days at this rate because she wants to see both Florida and St Bart (the island).

So, that's my experience. Hope its useful to the discussion.
 

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Hello Saint Bart
I love that island! I have other responsibilities and only escort very part time and I exclusively see regular clients. I have not advertised in over a year , and dont wish to see more clients as I have no extra time ,so this is the reason I do not post my identity here. You sound like a very interesting guy with a fun and exciting lifestlye. Maybe the next time I am in Saint Bart we may run into one another. Look for a fiesty but smiling girl in a electric blue string bikini.
Take Care
 
A1 is a spicy steak sauce.... and you do live up to the label :))

I'll look for you in St B, but I think I'll need a little more info to spot you... as on my favorite beach (Gouverneur) you probably won't be wearing that electric blue bikini :)). Or, you'll have to look for me... I'm the guy with a moustache and all-over tan.

St B.

PS: Your mailbox is full... no doubt with wishful thinking by some unauthorized males :))
 

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My 2 cents

Interesting thread! As a person involved in sales, I would make the following comments.

1. From the description from Shack....the lady in question had no set daily rates. In the abscence of this information, negotiation becomes necessary. Shack made comment of what his perceived amount of money he would be willing to spend and as a "good" negotiator, the lady was able to raise his expectations by 50%. Damn good percentage in any business (without knowing the baseline)

2. A1...you sound like an astute business woman (particularly for being 24 years old, as I believe you mentioned) However, in a business sense, each 'company' will have its own value placed upon its "product". (I know the analogy does not sound sensual, but I want to keep it on a business tone). There is a number of factors that will contribute to the end result price, but as with all market forces, supply, demmand and competitor pricing...these have a tendency to level the playing field. It is however a little overbearing (please don't hit me) to assume that the value you place on your services should be the same as what all other SP's place on their services. This woman decided on her own what her value should be for a trip like this. We should respect her decision. She may be naive now, but she will learn.

3. Shack...never ever use the term money grubbing again. The only truly money grubbing people in this world are the government. Offering services at a fixed rate is good business practice, though the ability to have room to negotiate on the business' side is also good practice. And pleasae don't ever use the term creatures again. I keep having visions of reptilian beasts crawling up from a watery swamp and I am having trouble sleeping at night.

We must also remember that this is a very variable business. The arrangements being made for a trip like this would greatly modify the pricing of the service (i.e. separate rooms, separate spare time, length of time, side trips, etc.) This needs to all go into the final decision for pricing. However, once the SP sets her price, the client provides a counter offer...it is then either accepted or rejected and either the trip happens or it does not. To continue appeal to being a 'regular' is distasteful and I would assume they would not be a regular anymore. Besides, the begging and pleading is a little embarrasing and tends to wear out the knees in your pants.

Have a great day and remember to be good to each other.
 

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Hello

Saint Bart- I am such a naughty girl. I admit I like the feeling of having my box full ;-) Get your mind out of the gutter I meant my PM box. LOL! But it is cleared now.
Is that the nude beach I was too shy to go to. What a wild guy!

ISpentHowMuch- I can tell you are in sales, and probably very successful. You have a great way of expressing yourself. You made a lot of vaild and good points, in a manner that would be well taken. I will try to learn some things from your more effective communication style(OMG I never in a million years expected to learn about improving my communication style ,on of all places Terb?). Hey I have a lot to learn in life I am only 24years. One more year and I am not considered a youth anymore argh! LOL. You are right, I may have came across as overbearing( and dont worry, I will not hit you , that would be extra of course, lol) but only because I was pissed about shacks "creatures" and "cold money grubbing" comments. NOTE: It was not the bargaining that upset me as much as his insulting and disrespectful comments directed towards SPs who have higher rates, and will not reduce them because he thinks they should. Those words and comments were totally unnecessary! Hey I have feelings too, was just expressing them.
 
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Re: My 2 cents

ISpentHowMuch said:
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3. Shack...never ever use the term money grubbing again. The only truly money grubbing people in this world are the government. Offering services at a fixed rate is good business practice, though the ability to have room to negotiate on the business' side is also good practice. And pleasae don't ever use the term creatures again. I keep having visions of reptilian beasts crawling up from a watery swamp and I am having trouble sleeping at night.

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Constructive criticism accepted. Again, my choice of words, admittedly poor, in no way reflects accurately my actual opinion and/or treatment of the ladies.
 

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Blue Eyes- I have always said that the only pimp I have ever had is the taxman. LOL! So trust me I am not worried. Why does it seem that this false assumption is so common among a few Terbites? Do you think SPs are that stupid? It would be very stupid( and stupid is one thing I am not) to have investments, own a home and car, have bills and accept a large amount of credit card payments from clients and never pay taxes. I remember what happened to Al Capone. They could not nail him for his countless murders but nailed him very hard on tax evasion charges. So it is easier to get away with murder than ripping off the goverment. What a civilized society we live in.
When I was a waitress at a restaurant the owner was audited and after seeing how tough they were on him and his business, they almost gave him a rectal exam LOL,(he eventually had a heart attack from all the stress) I learned a valuable lesson.

Shack -Thanks for making that clarification about your choice of words. I apologize for being a bit harsh with my choice of words.
You can PM me if you ever need a travel companion , my daily non-negotiable rate starts at $1500, but I will give you a deal of $1499. I am only joking. :) Just a bit of humour to diffuse the situation.
 
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I have read every response in this thread and i have to say its an eye opener. as for myself i just can't see why somebody would want to take an escort on a vacation trip. i would much rather take a lady that wants to be there for fun than one that is only there because i am paying her. and if i did ask a paying one i sure would try to negotiat a price different than her stated rate, thats the american way. and if i didn't get it and setteled for her going rate she better be ready to perform her majic whenever i say as often as i say. in closing i just want to say i think A1, well nevermind , to be nice i don't think i would ever want to meet this lady . but i do have one ? for her , Why would anyone spend 3 grand on a purse unless it has a built in atm machine.
 

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Well I guarantee that we will never meet! Your comment about "she better be ready to work her magic whenever I say how often I say" just lets me know that you and I would never get along. I am biting my tongue on this one and trying to answer this in a diplomatic way. Boy this is hard. The type of clients I like and prefer to see just dont think like that. I find the gentlemen who are attracted to me and I prefer are very secure , mature, liberal-minded, strong , and successful and appreciate and like a woman who is headstrong, independant, and has a mind of her own and is not afraid to speak up and be assertive.
To each his own. Some people will like me and others will not. And I am sure people feel the same way about you too. I am naturally a very passionate person in the bedroom and out , and some men as stated by a previous poster really like fiesty women because ......well its a secret, lets just say hotttt.
P.S. -It was a designer purse and beautiful. But I could not afford it so I bought a cheaper knock off version. It broke in one month. Oh well you get what you pay for. I guess for the same reason you would probably like to own a Porche.
 
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A1Provider!

"...you should have published her name so I could give her a call and give her some good advice about knowing her worth and not being afraid or ashamed of demanding that it be respected.."

What actually burns you is the price competition!

"In closing , it ANGERS me... when a SP cheats or rips off a client of his precious time and money. It is wrong....I hope that the fair and reasonable guys here on terb are ANGERED and realize, that it is just as wrong and unacceptable, and insulting to unreasonably bargain down a sp's rate.... Cheating works both ways guys!!!"

How is it an unreasonable bargain when the SP agrees to it? How is she being cheated by a consensual arrangement?

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Shack
great story man. I was thinking of planing a simular trip to vegas this year and I found your post to be inspiring; However, there is one thing you didn't mention. A four day fantasy can feel a whole lot like reality. What was the comedown like? I've got to think that you wanted to "play house " (for lack of a better phrase)when you got back. This is something that would concern me if I were to do the same. How the hell were you able to let go?

pm if you wish
 

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For what it's worth, this thread could have started in 1995 - it's been fascinating. And I find myself in agreement with BOTH points of view. Now, if I was a VERY rich man, I would be carrying A1 Provider's bag to the airport NOW, on my way to wherever she wants, for whatever sum she wants.

She sounds like a bright, funny, accomplished woman; my suspicion is that for an hour, or a weekend, or two weeks in, say, Prague, she would be a marvelous companion.

Good luck to her, whoever and wherever she is!
 

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baci2004 said:
Shack
great story man. I was thinking of planing a simular trip to vegas this year and I found your post to be inspiring; However, there is one thing you didn't mention. A four day fantasy can feel a whole lot like reality. What was the comedown like? I've got to think that you wanted to "play house " (for lack of a better phrase)when you got back. This is something that would concern me if I were to do the same. How the hell were you able to let go?
I didn't. I still see her fairly often.

In fact, I recall telling her on the day we were returning that it was going to be difficult to see her for just 1 or 2 hour sessions and having to watch the clock. Our dates now are usually around 4-6 hours. No rushing. Very laid back, relaxed and comfortable.

Even when we got back to my place at 9:00am after the red eye and 4 days together, she wanted to "play house" one more time before I took her home. That was a good feeling.
 

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Was A1PROVIDER's name Heidi Fleiss and what ever happend to her and Willywants ?
Great story Shack,I have one question,did your young lady friend see the coments to your original post ?
 
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