You're the only person on the Board who goes on and on about the IRA. Anyway I did my best to educate you on the Peace Agreement. I'll let you dance with yourself now.
Trudeau Selfie With Terror Suspect
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Nobody including the Germans has excused the Holocaust. There is a difference between moving forward and whitewashing the past.
The Holocaust and terrorist attacks on civilians are completely disgusting acts. To pretend otherwise because it fits your world view/ethnic background is laughable.
Sorry but I hold the people who committed terrorist acts and the people who told them to do it to be the ones guilty. The IRA committed those acts.
Your argument is like saying that if we let a shoplifter go we need to let Paul Bernardo go.
Bombing Hiroshima or Dresden were not genocide (and your definition of genocide must be completely farcical). Genocide is intentionally trying to destroy an entire ethnic group. The Nazis openly engaged in genocide while the bombings were not.
Not not to reopen the debate but that was when they were not supporting or complying with the Peace Agreement.
As you probably know, there was strong opposition (maybe even to-day) to the Peace Agreement from the Loyalist side.
"There is no official breakdown of how the nationalist and unionist communities voted, but CAIN, the Conflict Archive on the Internet, estimated that the overwhelming majority (up to 97%) of members of the largely Catholic nationalist community in Northern Ireland voted 'Yes'. Their estimate of the largely Protestant unionist community's support for the agreement was between 51 and 53 per cent."
There is a concern even now that, unlike the IRA, the UDA never destroyed their weapons.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rror-threat-ira-northern-ireland-bomb-attacks
The IRA did carry out terrorists attacks in England resulting in the deaths of many civilians, hence they were a terrorist group just like the sections of the Ulsterists who carried out their killings of Catholics in Northern Ireland. Now the IRA are a cause for concern once again, as in the link above:
These are the acts of terror committed by the IRA and Ulster Unionists in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process
The IRA did carry out terrorists attacks in England resulting in the deaths of many civilians, hence they were a terrorist group just like the sections of the Ulsterists who carried out their killings of Catholics in Northern Ireland. Now the IRA are a cause for concern once again, as in the link above:
These are the acts of terror committed by the IRA and Ulster Unionists in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process
Yes, there are still a few dissidents on both sides of the fence. The Catholic dissidents are not official IRA but loose canons. Also, I think MI5 is overblowing the concern.
How many terror attacks have been carried out or thwarted in the U.K. since 2000? How many were carried out by a Catholic person versus members of another religious group?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings
Damn right they were. And anyone who legitimizes their actions simply deserves to be called out on it. Not sure why fuji is calling SkyRider a terrorist supporter, I have never seen him explicitly support, endorse or defend the IRA. My family is from Northern Ireland, I've been there numerous times. As a kid I vividly remember walking the streets of Belfast and seeing soldiers carrying machine guns. Driving the Falls Road and seeing the pro Republican graffiti, the barbed wire and concrete walls. I was there in 1998 when the Real IRA bombed a busy market and killed 30 in Omagh, fucking parasites. I've met Sinn Fein leaders shook their hands and saw the devil in their eyes. So much hate I can't even describe it. Gives me chills to this day.
Not sure what his old handle is want to provide a reference. I did see what Butler said, and I'm certainly not supportive of it.
I won't waste anymore time responding to Fuji because it's like talking to a moon rock, however, I'm more than happy to respond to you.
Yes, there were bad people in Northern Ireland. Catholics, Scot-Irish and Brits. Atrocities by all 3 parties. The IRA was declared a terrorist organization but so were the Ulster Freedom Fighters and Ulster Defence Association.
"The British government outlawed the "UFF" in November 1973, but the UDA itself was not proscribed as a terrorist group until August 1992.[SUP][9]"
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The Ulster Volunteer Force was also declared a terrorist organization.
"The group is classified as a terrorist organisation by the United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland and United States.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2]"
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British soldiers also shot Catholic civilians in cold blood, the most infamous was Bloody Sunday in 1972 and the cover-up. It wasn't until 2010 that the Brits admitted the truth and apologized.
Unlike old generals we need to stop fighting old wars. Otherwise, why bother having peace treaties?
President Clinton is hailed as a peace advocate hero in both south and north Ireland. Hard to believe that it has been more than 15 years since his last visit to Ireland as a sitting U.S. president.
"welcomed the IRA's reaffirmation of its commitment to the Agreement," No denouncement of the IRA from President Clinton despite repeated demands to do so from Fuji.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/12/ire-d15.html
Much progress have been achieved in the almost 16 years since that visit.
1) The peace is still holding.
2) The IRA in 2005 and the UDA in 2010 have destroyed their stockpile of weapons.
3) The anti-peace agreement DUP have since agreed to share power with Sinn Fein. Who would have thought, eh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
4) For those who may be unaware, the "Real IRA" is not the real IRA.
"welcomed the IRA's reaffirmation of its commitment to the Agreement," No denouncement of the IRA from President Clinton despite repeated demands to do so from Fuji.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/12/ire-d15.html
Much progress have been achieved in the almost 16 years since that visit.
1) The peace is still holding.
2) The IRA in 2005 and the UDA in 2010 have destroyed their stockpile of weapons.
3) The anti-peace agreement DUP have since agreed to share power with Sinn Fein. Who would have thought, eh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
4) For those who may be unaware, the "Real IRA" is not the real IRA.
Everybody welcomed the end of violence.
Everyone but you also denounced the terrorism that preceded the agreement.
Why exactly are we supposed to think IRA terrorism was all OK? Because they finally agreed to stop doing stuff they never should have been doing in the first place???
Everyone but you also denounced the terrorism that preceded the agreement.
Why exactly are we supposed to think IRA terrorism was all OK? Because they finally agreed to stop doing stuff they never should have been doing in the first place???
Yes there were no IRA or Ulster Loyalist bombings in Mainland after 2001. But you cannot deny that all the bombings by these two groups against the innocent civilians not only in Northern Ireland but also in England are definitely acts of terrorism. Yes or no? Your link shows the bombings in 2005. Yes this as well was an act of terrorism. How is it any different from the bombings carried out from 1969 onwards and initially perpertrated by the Ulster Loyalists. In total there were 10,000 bombings that were acts of terror.
In the past year there were still 52 bombings in Northern Ireland killing 1 prison officer. So with cases of purchases of Semtex you claim that this should not be a cause for concern for the MI5. Really?
It was in response to our comrade calling the IRA a terrorist group, I responded that the UDA was also considered a terrorist group. I have always said that atrocities were committed by all parties involved in the conflict, our comrade focuses only on one of the parties.
BTW: Our comrade supports the Muslim Brotherhood, which is considered a terrorist group by several countries and which supports the terrorist group Hamas.
