Trudeau's Power Grab Is Unconstitutional

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Again… just opinion.
 

Valcazar

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Again… just opinion.
There only ever will be opinion on this.
There are criteria and the question is whether his justification meets it.
It isn't a clear cut case that is overwhelmingly obvious, so people will have opinions.
I think that's fine.
 

mandrill

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Ok, where's the court challenge?
 

shack

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The American publication has no idea of whence they speak, the evidence of which is that they say that the War Measures Act is the same as the Emergency Act.

In response, Trudeau the Elder invoked the War Measures Act, as the Emergencies Act was then called, and sent in the troops.
 
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There only ever will be opinion on this.
There are criteria and the question is whether his justification meets it.
It isn't a clear cut case that is overwhelmingly obvious, so people will have opinions.
I think that's fine.
Overkill? Sure. But “Power grab” has been the buzz word for C’s for more than a few years now.
 

Anbarandy

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Overkill? Sure. But “Power grab” has been the buzz word for C’s for more than a few years now.
The automatic default association of the words "incel" and "conservative" also rankles them to no end.
 
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jcpro

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Overkill? Sure. But “Power grab” has been the buzz word for C’s for more than a few years now.
Of course it's a power grab. It denies citizens due process and an impartial hearing before the courts.
 

mandrill

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Good question, someone has to pay for it though and do they have enough time.
There's certainly $$$$ to pay for it. At present, the usual actors - i.e. affiliated with the CPC - might be avoiding the whole topic, as public opinion probably supports the measures and there might be a polling hit.

A judge would hear this on a couple of days' notice as an emergency.
 
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It isn't, since in the act it states that upon implementation of the Emergency Act, it requires compliance by the Governor in Council with the Charter, the Canadian Bill of Rights and consideration of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
 
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mandrill

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And? Tell me again how any of this requires emergencies act?
The massive foreign funding alone is scary. For the first time, foreign actors can generously pay persons to engage in public acts of civil disobedience that undermine Canada. That's leaving aside the clear anti democratic animus of the extremist organizers and the fact that this event is a magnet for potentially violent extremists.
 

jcpro

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The massive foreign funding alone is scary. For the first time, foreign actors can generously pay persons to engage in public acts of civil disobedience that undermine Canada. That's leaving aside the clear anti democratic animus of the extremist organizers and the fact that this event is a magnet for potentially violent extremists.
For the FIRST TIME????! Why do I bother to look at your posts, that's the real question? All the environmental protesters are financed by the international sources, so is BLM, ANTIFA and the rest of the mostly peaceful crowd. Oh, btw- the Native protests are not only supported financially from the US but they have protesters "visiting " from the other side. Same as with the tree huggers. Spare me the double standard, fake outrage and other Trudeau size hypocrisy. You have some gall to invoke democracy while your hero is behaving like a dictator suspending civil rights of the Canadian citizens over a peaceful demonstration.
 

mandrill

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For the FIRST TIME????! Why do I bother to look at your posts, that's the real question? All the environmental protesters are financed by the international sources, so is BLM, ANTIFA and the rest of the mostly peaceful crowd. Oh, btw- the Native protests are not only supported financially from the US but they have protesters "visiting " from the other side. Same as with the tree huggers. Spare me the double standard, fake outrage and other Trudeau size hypocrisy. You have some gall to invoke democracy while your hero is behaving like a dictator suspending civil rights of the Canadian citizens over a peaceful demonstration.
It's perfectly democratic, JC. The Emergency Act is a properly enacted democratic piece of legislation.

All totally legal. You don't like it. But then you haven't liked ANYTHING Trudeau, Biden or Obama ever did at any point. Because your views are so far right, the only leader you'd find acceptable is Putin.
 

silentkisser

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The American publication has no idea of whence they speak, the evidence of which is that they say that the War Measures Act is the same as the Emergency Act.

In response, Trudeau the Elder invoked the War Measures Act, as the Emergencies Act was then called, and sent in the troops.
It was written by a dude at Lakehead University. While he doesn't lay out the differences between the War Measures Act and the Emergencies Act....He isn't necessarily wrong about it. That's the tricky part of the act, the grounds for which they can use it. I've seen other constitutional scholars who say Trudeau had the ability to do it.

So, bottom line....Without a court challenge, there is really no way we can say if this was an overreach. I lean towards it being justified, since the police seemed unable or incapable of handling things. I think the hope is that by cutting of the money pipeline, the protesters will disperse legally. This means, no police arresting hundreds or laying down tear gas barrages. No injuries or damage to public and private property. It really is the best case scenario since I wouldn't want the government to bend to a tiny minority of people, especially when they're calling for the overthrow of our democratic government.
 

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It's perfectly democratic, JC. The Emergency Act is a properly enacted democratic piece of legislation.

All totally legal. You don't like it. But then you haven't liked ANYTHING Trudeau, Biden or Obama ever did at any point. Because your views are so far right, the only leader you'd find acceptable is Putin.
When was the vote in the Parliament?
 

mandrill

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When was the vote in the Parliament?
I'm sorry. You didn't follow the plot line there. The vote was when Parliament passed the Act a couple decades ago. It gave cabinet the right to declare an emergency at the appropriate time. I should have explained that to you, but I thought you understood it the first time.
 
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