Trump : Canada must pay $71 Billion for the Iron Dome or become the 51st. state

[Ceiling Cat]

Canada does not need to take part in the Iron Dome system because it is not designed for long-range detection or defense against Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs). Iron Dome is effective only against short-range threats such as rockets, mortars, artillery shells, and small drones — all of which must be launched from within approximately 70 kilometers. This means an enemy would need to be just offshore or already on North American soil to pose a threat the Iron Dome could handle.
The system does not defend against short- or medium-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, ICBMs, or manned aircraft like jets and helicopters. It was originally developed by Israel for regional protection and has proven effective in intercepting rockets fired from nearby areas like Gaza and Lebanon.
For a city like New York to be threatened by Iron Dome-level weapons, the launch would have to come from somewhere as close as New Jersey. Trump is ready to spend money on an ineffective protection system merely to appease Israel. Imagine the wasted cost and the cost of manpower to run and monitor the system

Trump is willing to waste American taxpayer dollars on a defense system with questionable effectiveness. At the same time, he's prepared to throw the global economy into chaos with reckless tariffs just to impose his will.

 

[seanzo]

If I had to guess this is all a ploy to increase production of interceptor missiles so that they can be sent to Israel. The problem is any air/missile defense system can be easily overwhelmed by volume of fire. Typically for every one object being flung at you, you would fire two interceptors for the best odds at intercepting said object. This is of course the best case scenario, in reality during actual combat there are often more than one interceptor fired at a single object. Just look at how effective the Iron Dome was during Oct 7th. Hamas fired volley after volley of home made rockets into Israel and the Iron Dome was barely able to make a dent. This also doesn't even begin to address the issues with ICBMs with multiple re-entry vehicles.

 

[Skoob]

Canada does not need to take part in the Iron Dome system because it is not designed for long-range detection or defense against Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs). Iron Dome is effective only against short-range threats such as rockets, mortars, artillery shells, and small drones — all of which must be launched from within approximately 70 kilometers. This means an enemy would need to be just offshore or already on North American soil to pose a threat the Iron Dome could handle.
The system does not defend against short- or medium-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, ICBMs, or manned aircraft like jets and helicopters. It was originally developed by Israel for regional protection and has proven effective in intercepting rockets fired from nearby areas like Gaza and Lebanon.
For a city like New York to be threatened by Iron Dome-level weapons, the launch would have to come from somewhere as close as New Jersey. Trump is ready to spend money on an ineffective protection system merely to appease the Israel. Imagine the wasted cost and the cost of manpower to run and monitor the system

Trump is willing to waste American taxpayer dollars on a defense system with questionable effectiveness. At the same time, he's prepared to throw the global economy into chaos with reckless tariffs just to impose his will.

It's not just for short range weapons at least in the conceptual design at the moment.

 

[SchlongConery]

Canada does not need to take part in the Iron Dome system because it is not designed for long-range detection or defense against Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs). Iron Dome is effective only against short-range threats such as rockets, mortars, artillery shells, and small drones — all of which must be launched from within approximately 70 kilometers. This means an enemy would need to be just offshore or already on North American soil to pose a threat the Iron Dome could handle.
The system does not defend against short- or medium-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, ICBMs, or manned aircraft like jets and helicopters. It was originally developed by Israel for regional protection and has proven effective in intercepting rockets fired from nearby areas like Gaza and Lebanon.
For a city like New York to be threatened by Iron Dome-level weapons, the launch would have to come from somewhere as close as New Jersey. Trump is ready to spend money on an ineffective protection system merely to appease the Israel. Imagine the wasted cost and the cost of manpower to run and monitor the system

Trump is willing to waste American taxpayer dollars on a defense system with questionable effectiveness. At the same time, he's prepared to throw the global economy into chaos with reckless tariffs just to impose his will.

Correction. This is a Trump GOLD Dome. Not some cheap jewish IRON Dome.

TWAT is going to release "the deal" in "two weeks".

Otherwise, you are correct.

 

[SchlongConery]

It's not just for short range weapons at least in the conceptual design at the moment.

What "conceptual design" are you referring to? Can you refer me to this "conceptual plan" as I've not seen it.

Will two weeks be long enough for you to find it?

Or is it like Trump's cheaper, better Health Care plan from 2016?

 

[Skoob]

What "conceptual design" are you referring to? Can you refer me to this "conceptual plan" as I've not seen it.

Will two weeks be long enough for you to find it?

Or is it like Trump's cheaper, better Health Care plan from 2016?

The "conceptual design" that I referred to is simply that it will help defend against missile threats that include long range. Obviously even when a design is finalized it's not going to be shared aside from some high level description.

Golden Dome for America is a revolutionary concept to further the goals of peace through strength and President Trump’s vision for deterring adversaries from attacks on the homeland.
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/missile-defense/golden-dome-missile-defense.html

 

[nottyboi]

Canada will be happy to pay the 71 B but we will charge 80B for connection to our long range radar. Someone should tell Orange the golden dome is as useless has his golden dome.

 

[nottyboi]

It's not just for short range weapons at least in the conceptual design at the moment.

It can't work. Even if you cover all missiles today, someone will look at this system and design countermeasures. In a mass attack with decoys, and EW, it WILL let some missile through.

 

[oil&gas]

If we don't go along with Trump will we be safe from future
missile attack from Putin? Trump's dome may fail to intercept
missiles launched from Russia but I think he will retaliate for
us after one or two Canadian cities are wiped out.

 

[nottyboi]

If we don't go along with Trump will we be safe from future
missile attack from Putin? Trump's dome may fail to intercept
missiles launched from Russia but I think he will retaliate for
us after one or two Canadian cities are wiped out.

Why the fuck would Putin attack Canada? Dome will not make us safe. from Russian attack. Making peace with Russia and not being dickheads will be required.

 

[The Oracle]

Why the fuck would Putin attack Canada? Dome will not make us safe. from Russian attack. Making peace with Russia and not being dickheads will be required.

Okay comrade, lol.

 

[oil&gas]

Why the fuck would Putin attack Canada? Dome will not make us safe. from Russian attack. Making peace with Russia and not being dickheads will be required.

I too want to ask Trudeau this question. Now it looks turning into
the 51st state is more economical than sending money to Ukraine
to shore up defence.

 

[Frankfooter]

Okay comrade, lol.

Its a good question.
Who would fire missiles at Canada and where would they come from?

Russia?
Mexico?
Israel?
Saudi Arabia?
China?

 

[Skoob]

It can't work. Even if you cover all missiles today, someone will look at this system and design countermeasures. In a mass attack with decoys, and EW, it WILL let some missile through.

But then someone will develop counter measures against the counter measures and so on. I'm not sure what your point is?

For example, If the iron dome in Israel wasn't there, the damage inflicted by Iran's missiles would have been significantly worse. Is it perfect? No. Nothing is. But what's the alternative?

 

[Butler1000]

But then someone will develop counter measures against the counter measures and so on. I'm not sure what your point is?

For example, If the iron dome in Israel wasn't there, the damage inflicted by Iran's missiles would have been significantly worse. Is it perfect? No. Nothing is. But what's the alternative?

You are missing the point. The only threat to Canada is either the USA or intercontinental nukes. That's it. Simple geography. It's why we haven't been attacked since 1812.

We need NORAD to detect big missiles, and enemy planes. But right now Russia is no threat. And wouldn't be one. There is literally no reason.

This is just him, being presented with some BIG IDEA and spouting off.

 

[Skoob]

You are missing the point. The only threat to Canada is either the USA or intercontinental nukes. That's it. Simple geography. It's why we haven't been attacked since 1812.

We need NORAD to detect big missiles, and enemy planes. But right now Russia is no threat. And wouldn't be one. There is literally no reason.

This is just him, being presented with some BIG IDEA and spouting off.

Was NORAD a "big idea"? Sometimes big ideas are needed rather than becoming complacent if even just to serve as deterrents.
You think if the US is attacked by nuclear weapons it would have no affect on Canada?

 

[Butler1000]

Was NORAD a "big idea"? Sometimes big ideas are needed rather than becoming complacent if even just to serve as deterrents.
You think if the US is attacked by nuclear weapons it would have no affect on Canada?

NORAD at the time, and now, makes sense. Because it works. And at the time, was designed for the threat during the cold War.

There is no threat to defend against here.

 

[JohnHenry]

It would certainly be cheaper to pay the 71Bn than join the US and double our per capita debt

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/canada/usa?sc=XE12

 

[nottyboi]

But then someone will develop counter measures against the counter measures and so on. I'm not sure what your point is?

For example, If the iron dome in Israel wasn't there, the damage inflicted by Iran's missiles would have been significantly worse. Is it perfect? No. Nothing is. But what's the alternative?

Iran has no nukes, if your irrational fear is an attack by Russia, 90% effective with nukes is not much better then no defense. Not only that, you will be showered by radioactive debris from the warheads so its useless. If Iran was using nukes Tel Aviv would be history by now.

 

[nottyboi]

NORAD at the time, and now, makes sense. Because it works. And at the time, was designed for the threat during the cold War.

There is no threat to defend against here.

Canada is buying a 7B long range radar to replace the DEW, from Australia. The USA needs our radar location to make Iron dome work. So tell Trump we get in for free or he cannot plug in to our radars.