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Trump Says U.S. Will Impose Massive Tariffs On Mexico, Canada And China From Day 1

Leimonis

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The three easiest synthetic drugs to manufacture, in order of simplicity, are bath salts, fentanyl, and ecstasy.
wut? even meth is easier to make than MDMA (due to the simpler process and more accessible precursors)
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wut? even meth is easier to make than MDMA (due to the simpler process and more accessible precursors)
Gale you still around? Jesse told me he killed you!

 

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Our Government should bring up with Donny Boy the fact that Canadians are being killed by the US guns that are being smuggled into Canada:

A gun purchased in the US for $500 "can easily sell for up to $5,000 in Canada", Norman Proctor, a Toronto Police inspector, said at a news conference last year.

The issue surfaced after Canada introduced stricter gun laws a few years ago in response to the 2020 mass shooting in Nova Scotia - the country's deadliest - in which 22 people were killed. The law included a ban on "assault-style weapons".
Some questioned the effectiveness of the ban, as the perpetrator was found to have obtained his guns illegally - three were smuggled across the US border from Houlton, Maine.
Once these American guns cross the border into Canada, police say they are frequently distributed across the country and used in violent crimes, like robberies, carjackings and homicides.
Chief Fordy told the BBC that in 2023, 90% of handguns recovered after violent crimes in Ontario - Canada's most populous province - were traced back to the US.
"Through our tracing and analysis, we know the top states (these guns come from) are Ohio, Texas, Florida and Georgia, in that order," Chief Fordy said.

Some are stolen, while others are bought using straw purchasers - an individual who buys a gun for someone who is not authorised to own it.
"Sometimes they are purchased in bulk, then sold here on the street for a handsome return on investment," Chief Fordy said.

This should be a bargaining chip against the USA, and not just the Americans interest!!
 

bver_hunter

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But I still cannot understand why the righties are cheering Trump for threatening to impose these tariffs!!

There is quite a possibility that Trump will say that he already got Canada to impose those stricter border controls that will now prevent the migrants and fentanyl from coming to the USA.
Hence, now there is no need for those tariffs. This is a possible scenario, as many of the Republican States that depend on trade with Canada will oppose these tariffs!!
 

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But I still cannot understand why the righties are cheering Trump for threatening to impose these tariffs!!

There is quite a possibility that Trump will say that he already got Canada to impose those stricter border controls that will now prevent the migrants and fentanyl from coming to the USA.
Hence, now there is no need for those tariffs. This is a possible scenario, as many of the Republican States that depend on trade with Canada will oppose these tariffs!!
It is clearly a negotiating position, and has garnered Trudeau's attention, who already has gone groveling to his master. I suspect 25% won't be the final position, but it may not be 0 either.
 
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Leimonis

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It is clearly a negotiating position, and has garnered Trudeau's attention, who already has gone groveling to his master. I suspect 25% won't be the final position, but it may not be 0 either.
It could only be any negotiation position if there was something to negotiate. Since there is no real influx of people from Canada into the United States, nor is there an influx of fentanyl, there is absolutely nothing to fucking negotiate.
 

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It could only be any negotiation position if there was something to negotiate. Since there is no real influx of people from Canada into the United States, nor is there an influx of fentanyl, there is absolutely nothing to fucking negotiate.
Oh really?
 

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It could only be any negotiation position if there was something to negotiate. Since there is no real influx of people from Canada into the United States, nor is there an influx of fentanyl, there is absolutely nothing to fucking negotiate.
And here is a little more. I though you Liberals were educated and smart. You can't even do a little google search to avoid looking dumb.

 

Leimonis

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And here is a little more. I though you Liberals were educated and smart. You can't even do a little google search to avoid looking dumb.

I am not a liberal although I like that you imply that conservatives are not educated and smart. And by the way here is what the NP article you referred to says:

When you zoom out, none of these harsh words from Trump are fair. Canada’s problems are real and growing, but at the scale of a sprouting dandelion. Mexico, on the other hand, is an oak tree. Whatever our faults, we certainly don’t deserve tariffs. And it’s not like the U.S. border has treated us well over the years, either: migrants, guns and drugs find their way northward as well, and you don’t see us threatening our neighbours for it.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if people can change Trump's mind simply by just reminding him how "amazing" a free trade deal he negotiated with the USMCA.


p.s. Can't understand how anyone can think that massive tariffs will somehow help the US economy or think it won't cause massive inflation.
 
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the general

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I am not a liberal although I like that you imply that conservatives are not educated and smart. And by the way here is what the NP article you referred to says:

When you zoom out, none of these harsh words from Trump are fair. Canada’s problems are real and growing, but at the scale of a sprouting dandelion. Mexico, on the other hand, is an oak tree. Whatever our faults, we certainly don’t deserve tariffs. And it’s not like the U.S. border has treated us well over the years, either: migrants, guns and drugs find their way northward as well, and you don’t see us threatening our neighbours for it.
Certainly Trump is exaggerated the problem, but one exists, just not significant compared to the US/Mexico border. As to implying that conservatives are not educated and smart, there is nothing in what I said to imply that, other than Liberals aren't all that smart period, they just think they are.
 

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It is clearly a negotiating position, and has garnered Trudeau's attention, who already has gone groveling to his master. I suspect 25% won't be the final position, but it may not be 0 either.
Who is Trudeau's "Master"?

It is not just Canada, but also The EU and other G20 Nations that are just perplexed with these tariff threats!!
In the end, if fully implemented, then expect inflation to move into the wrong direction.
But remember that when the USMCA was being negotiated, Congress would not pass that Bill unless Canada was included.
Chrystia Freeland stood her ground!!
But I am expecting that not all Canadian goods will be subject to the tariffs if they are implemented.
No doubt that even if the tariffs are shrunk to small percentages, then expect Trump to boast about it to his usual base!!
 
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A thought just came up. Instead of trying to stop people from entering the country [which he knows he can't do short of East German or Best Korea methods] he wants Canada and Mexico to stop people from leaving their countries... like East Germany or Best Korea.

Not a good look.
 
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SchlongConery

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a reasonable counter
however if they left because of high energy cost, they will evaluate returning if energy costs are lowered. and sustainable
Trump wont crater the US economy and would spin an about face if his plan goes off the rails
Buying hat spin would be difficult for the electorate and his ego would be punished
IF energy costs go down? HOW do you think Trump or anyone is going to lower the price of electricity? Seriously.

Has the cost of engineering gone down? Has the cost of heavy construction gone down? Has the cost of labour to build new electrical plants gone down? Has anyone found a new river to build a new hydroelectric dam in the United States? Have the dotard 'muricans changed their attitude towards nuclear power being safe or clean? Do any States want to host nuclear power plants or host the storage of nuclear waste? Have ANY of the dozens of small, local modular factory-built nuclear micro plant startups done anything except raise and burn investor cash?

Will the cost of natural gas go down to fuel gas electrical generation plants?

Have actual, real world costs of generating electricity by wind turbines and solar even come close to that of existing, PAID FOR power plants? Whaddabout the materials science dead end we are at with lithium and other energy storage options like gravity water pumping etc?

None of this even includes the massive infrastructure upgrades that would have to be planned for, including expropriating land and creating easements for new transmission lines etc. FFS, Floribama, Loseranya, Texas still can't manage to have transmission systems durable enough to withstand the yearly hurricanes.

Are you hoping that the 'Stable Genius' Trump will discover some new physics or what exactly, or generally, do you think Trump or anyone will or can do to lower the cost of electricity in the United States? Not to mention to even think of catching up with CHYNAH who have been busy as beavers slapping up the biggest hydro dam on the planet, building coal powered plants faster than Toronto condo builders for the past decade.

And here you are saying "IF" Trump can lower energy costs then all will be peachy! I thought all you Trumpers mocked that Hopey attitude of Obamas? <wink>

Not so simple as he makes you beleive is it?
 
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