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WyattEarp said:
If you think it's right wing dogma to say that DEI is not popular in the U.S., you're entitled to your opinion. I wouldn't hold on to this idea very strongly.

I will tell you that my view is shaped from dealing with people and dealing with businesses. I used the word zeitgeist on another post here. You cannot entirely plug into the American zeitgeist by merely turning on your television and watching American news. It certainly can give you a flavor of things, but living here is far better than just getting information from intermediaries with their own views.
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Your notion that people outside the US are ill informed about the US is typical of an American who lives in a bubble.
My views are also shaped by working with Americans and even living in America for an extended period of time.
I wouldn't make blanket statements that DEI isn't popular in the US.
Or that it is very popular.
There are regions where it is popular, and there are regions where it isn't.
The politics line up accordingly.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
That Americans generally live in a bubble and get their news from sound bites of the politicians they support isn't a mystery.
So according to you the US media cannot be relied upon.
The US chamber of commerce is biased.
Every other authoritative source is wrong.
But Trump is correct based on nothing at all..............You are typing a lot but saying very little.
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Ahhh, but I never said Trump has all the answers. Beyond the election outcome, I haven't been discussing Trump much at all.

The only thing where we might share agreement is it is very difficult to run the U.S. government and deliver on promises. Trump has his hands full. The Democrats will likely oppose him on everything. Republicans have shown to be a fractious caucus.

There's really no dispute that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has supported higher immigration throughout the years. You should be able to think through their motivations. Certainly after I pointed it out, you could see the USCOC article manipulated immigration numbers by referencing 2020/21 immigration numbers in an article written just last month.

I'm not saying you're opinion or feelings about immigration are invalid. I am just saying I disagree and don't see overwhelming evidence that the U.S. can sustain the current level. It's not just about the economics. It's also about stress on various communities.

You think we Americans are in a bubble. You're here arguing with an American about his own country when you are certainly going to have a similar heated debate in Canada next year.

As far as relying on U.S. media, did you even watch American news the last two weeks of the election? Yeah, it was like we were watching not so subtle campaign ads nonstop on our news networks.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
Your notion that people outside the US are ill informed about the US is typical of an American who lives in a bubble.
My views are also shaped by working with Americans and even living in America for an extended period of time.
I wouldn't make blanket statements that DEI isn't popular in the US.
Or that it is very popular.
There are regions where it is popular, and there are regions where it isn't.
The politics line up accordingly.
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I tend to defer to polling from sources that have no interests in the outcome to understand what is going on. So no offense, I don't think your view of how Americans feel tells us a whole lot. Not even the article you read or the news program you watched matters much.

DEI is broadly not popular beyond ideals. Women are generally more supportive, but feel more strongly about women's initiatives in their organization. Of course, you have to know what the questions are to understand people's responses. This gets back to sources with no obvious interest in the outcome.

There are a few members who come here and tell people what Americans think. They will routinely get upset and argue with the messenger (often me) when I say this is what we think. If someone shows me a fair poll, I am willing to consider the findings.

I'm actually a little more flexible than people here give me credit.
 
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The Oracle said:
Ask yourself why the Dems rigged the 2020 primaries so he wouldn't be chosen to represent the party.

Then he endorsed Joe Biden who was a corporate Democrat in apparent cognitive decline.

Bernie sold out in the end.
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I am very mad about that actually. This guy should have been president.
 
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WyattEarp said:
I'm not saying you're opinion or feelings about immigration are invalid. I am just saying I disagree and don't see overwhelming evidence that the U.S. can sustain the current level. It's not just about the economics. It's also about stress on various communities.
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There is nothing to sustain.
I always laugh when people use this word.
"Sustain".
Even illegal immigrants do something to feed themselves.
And what communities exactly are feeling the stress?
What kind of stress?
Where?
Dog whistles are not justifications.
 
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WyattEarp said:
DEI is broadly not popular beyond ideals. Women are generally more supportive.....
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Blanket statement (untrue) followed by the obvious.
People of certain political beliefs support DEI. Others dont. Still others do to a certain extent.
Yes women are more concerned about women's rights. Promoting women's rights are a part of DEI initiatives.
LGBTQ people are more concerned about LGBTQ rights. Promoting LGBTQ rights are a part of DEI initiatives.
POC are more concerned with......you get the general idea.
What new point are you making?
 
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WyattEarp said:
There are a few members who come here and tell people what Americans think. They will routinely get upset and argue with the messenger (often me) when I say this is what we think.
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So by virtue of being an American, you claim to know what Americans "think"??
If you are referring to these so called unbiased polls, please do link them.
I did not tell you what American's think.
I said Americans generally dont have a clue about immigration.
They only know talking points fed to them by their favourite politician on TV.
Ask them anything about any immigration program they wont know details.
 
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Bucktee said:
This is an indictment on the Democratic Party, not Trump.

Present day Democrats are the neocons that he's talking about in this video.

They're the party of war (Cheney says hi), of identity politics (pitting race, gender before all else to divide people), of corporate breaks, donors, kickbacks (why do you think Apple, Silicon Valley, and most of the other multinational corporations support Democrats?).

This anti-Trump tweet actually applies to Harris. The tweeter just doesn't understand the concepts.
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Liz Cheney definitely hurt Harris.
 
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