This will cause some meltdowns.
Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics
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The IBA asked the boxers’ countries to give permission for the genetic test results to be released. They've again refused. They know these guys will be disqualified. And the IOC lets it happen. The two boxers are male despite both living their lives socially as female. How do we know this? In 2023, they failed to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women's competition laid out by IBA regulations. After meticulous tests and review they were found to have competitive advantages. They were not testosterone tests, leaving only a genetic test to be failed. That's how we know. Male levels of testosterone during puberty is what creates the primary advantage. The problem in the DSDs that are relevant to sport is one of two things: 1) Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. You produce T in the male levels because you're male. You've got testes but you can't use that T in the typical way. Think of T like a key that has to unlock a door in order for the things to happen inside the room. In some people the lock is dysfunctional -- the receptor for the testosterone -- and so they may have male levels of T but they can't create all the male development that is necessary. It can be partial or complete, so it exists along a spectrum. 2) 5-alpha Reductase Deficiency (5ARD), which is an enzyme responsible for turning a portion of your T into another hormone called DHT (dihydrate testosterone). So you've got this pool of T and want to convert a little bit to DHT. DHT specializes in driving the formation of the primary sex characteristics - your reproductive systems. Your external and internal genitalia are created by DHT. People with 5ARD deficiency don't have the enzyme and can't make DHT. As a result they've got all the T of a typical male, and they can use that it in the typical way, but they don't have the ability to produce the primary sex characteristics - the external genitalia of males. You will then have an individual who is genetically/chromosomally male who produces testes with high levels of T, but something in the development is atypical, and that's the difference of sex development. When that child is born and the doctor looks at this child who externally looks completely like a girl, he is classified as a girl and raised as a girl... and then later in life, this rare issue of biological reality becomes apparent. The most ardent supporters of inclusion need to recognize that T is a performance enhancing hormone, and a male's ability to use their T have all kinds of advantages (e.g. strength, musculature, cardiovascular, skeletal etc.) which add up to massive performance differences. Everyone who hasn't been brainwashed in school knows this. The central point of this topic is fairness and safety. The most concerning is in high contact sports like boxing, which would be the most dangerous for women. The solution from the governing bodies to be fair and inclusive is to simply lower T. The problem is no study has ever shown that you can take away the effects of T on male biology. Reducing them is not nearly enough, so the fix doesn't work. The IOC do not agree, hence the unfortunate situation heard around the world. The IOC only goes by what is on an athlete's passport, which is irresponsible. There's more to it than that but in short, the IOC's standards clearly seem to favor "Inclusion" over biological reality at the expense of fairness and safety. UPDATE: A Hungarian sports official has come out and stated that Imane Khelif is not female. István Kovács, the European Vice President of the WBO and former Secretary General of the IBA, told Hungarian press that he had warned the International Olympic Committee about males participating in women’s boxing as early as 2022, but that nothing was done. In a shocking statement made to Magyar Nemzet yesterday, Kovács confirmed the speculation surrounding the Algerian boxer, adding that it had been known as early as 2022 that Khelif was biologically male. “The problem was not with the level of Khelif’s testosterone, because that can be adjusted nowadays, but with the result of the gender test, which clearly revealed that the Algerian boxer is biologically male,” Kovács said in an interview with Magyar Nemzet, adding that a total of five boxers had been examined including Khelif by the International Boxing Association, and all of them “were indeed men.” Kovács asserted that he personally reported the shocking result immediately to the International Olympics Committee, “but as unbelievable as it is, they have not responded to this to this day.”
The IBA asked the boxers’ countries to give permission for the genetic test results to be released. They've again refused. They know these guys will be disqualified. And the IOC lets it happen. The two boxers are male despite both living their lives socially as female. How do we know this? In 2023, they failed to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women's competition laid out by IBA regulations. After meticulous tests and review they were found to have competitive advantages. They were not testosterone tests, leaving only a genetic test to be failed. That's how we know. Male levels of testosterone during puberty is what creates the primary advantage. The problem in the DSDs that are relevant to sport is one of two things: 1) Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. You produce T in the male levels because you're male. You've got testes but you can't use that T in the typical way. Think of T like a key that has to unlock a door in order for the things to happen inside the room. In some people the lock is dysfunctional -- the receptor for the testosterone -- and so they may have male levels of T but they can't create all the male development that is necessary. It can be partial or complete, so it exists along a spectrum. 2) 5-alpha Reductase Deficiency (5ARD), which is an enzyme responsible for turning a portion of your T into another hormone called DHT (dihydrate testosterone). So you've got this pool of T and want to convert a little bit to DHT. DHT specializes in driving the formation of the primary sex characteristics - your reproductive systems. Your external and internal genitalia are created by DHT. People with 5ARD deficiency don't have the enzyme and can't make DHT. As a result they've got all the T of a typical male, and they can use that it in the typical way, but they don't have the ability to produce the primary sex characteristics - the external genitalia of males. You will then have an individual who is genetically/chromosomally male who produces testes with high levels of T, but something in the development is atypical, and that's the difference of sex development. When that child is born and the doctor looks at this child who externally looks completely like a girl, he is classified as a girl and raised as a girl... and then later in life, this rare issue of biological reality becomes apparent. The most ardent supporters of inclusion need to recognize that T is a performance enhancing hormone, and a male's ability to use their T have all kinds of advantages (e.g. strength, musculature, cardiovascular, skeletal etc.) which add up to massive performance differences. Everyone who hasn't been brainwashed in school knows this. The central point of this topic is fairness and safety. The most concerning is in high contact sports like boxing, which would be the most dangerous for women. The solution from the governing bodies to be fair and inclusive is to simply lower T. The problem is no study has ever shown that you can take away the effects of T on male biology. Reducing them is not nearly enough, so the fix doesn't work. The IOC do not agree, hence the unfortunate situation heard around the world. The IOC only goes by what is on an athlete's passport, which is irresponsible. There's more to it than that but in short, the IOC's standards clearly seem to favor "Inclusion" over biological reality at the expense of fairness and safety. UPDATE: A Hungarian sports official has come out and stated that Imane Khelif is not female. István Kovács, the European Vice President of the WBO and former Secretary General of the IBA, told Hungarian press that he had warned the International Olympic Committee about males participating in women’s boxing as early as 2022, but that nothing was done. In a shocking statement made to Magyar Nemzet yesterday, Kovács confirmed the speculation surrounding the Algerian boxer, adding that it had been known as early as 2022 that Khelif was biologically male. “The problem was not with the level of Khelif’s testosterone, because that can be adjusted nowadays, but with the result of the gender test, which clearly revealed that the Algerian boxer is biologically male,” Kovács said in an interview with Magyar Nemzet, adding that a total of five boxers had been examined including Khelif by the International Boxing Association, and all of them “were indeed men.” Kovács asserted that he personally reported the shocking result immediately to the International Olympics Committee, “but as unbelievable as it is, they have not responded to this to this day.”
Except the IBA is a Russian-run organization that has a beef with the IOC and will say any shit to embarrass the latter.
Well yeah they do have a beef. I believe since 1940 something the IBA has been the governing body for boxing in the olympics. They were removed because they told the truth. IOC forced them to disband gender testing (xx vs xy). IOC forced them out so the IOC would only allow testosterone testing and passports as the "new system" to ensure the participants are "women". The IOC doesn't care about female or male status. They care about if you are a "man" or "woman" which falls in line with gender identity politics. By doing this the IOC has created equality amongst the atheletes. However in doing so they have ruined the integrity of the sport.
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Wonder whether The Usual Conspiracy Theorists possess any photos pertaining to them having dicks at any time of their lives?
Boston Globe Apologizes For Headline Error About Boxer In Gender Controversy
"The editing lapse is regrettable and unacceptable," the newspaper wrote.
The Boston Globe apologized for a headline that said Algerian Olympic boxer Imane Khelifwas transgender ― as controversy swirled around unsubstantiated claims that she is a man.
“Transgender boxer advances,” the newspaper headline read on Friday, referring to her win over Italy’s Angela Carini.
Khelif has since clinched a medal in the Paris Games, but accusations that she was born a man have generated online hate toward her.
She was born a woman and has fought as a woman for years, including the previous Olympics. But an unspecified “gender eligibility test” conducted by a suspect oversight organization led to her being disqualified from the 2023 world championships.
The headline that the Globe wrote for her Olympics bout in Paris on Thursday appeared on top of an Associated Press story by Greg Beacham that properly identified Khelif as a woman.
“A significant error was made in a headline on a story ... about Algerian boxer Imane Khelif incorrectly describing her as transgender. She is not. Additionally, our initial correction of this error neglected to note that she was born female,” the Globe wrote in its correction on Saturday. “We recognize the magnitude of this mistake and have corrected it. This editing lapse is regrettable and unacceptable and we apologize to Khelif, to Associated Press writer Greg Beacham, and to you, our readers.
Khelif has called for the bullying to end.
Noting Khelif and a Taiwanese boxer facing the same scrutiny, IOC President Thomas Bach said previously:
“We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised a woman, who have a passport as a woman, and who have competed for many years as women. And this is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman.”
www.huffpost.com
Boston Globe Apologizes For Headline Error About Boxer In Gender Controversy
"The editing lapse is regrettable and unacceptable," the newspaper wrote.
The Boston Globe apologized for a headline that said Algerian Olympic boxer Imane Khelifwas transgender ― as controversy swirled around unsubstantiated claims that she is a man.
“Transgender boxer advances,” the newspaper headline read on Friday, referring to her win over Italy’s Angela Carini.
Khelif has since clinched a medal in the Paris Games, but accusations that she was born a man have generated online hate toward her.
She was born a woman and has fought as a woman for years, including the previous Olympics. But an unspecified “gender eligibility test” conducted by a suspect oversight organization led to her being disqualified from the 2023 world championships.
The headline that the Globe wrote for her Olympics bout in Paris on Thursday appeared on top of an Associated Press story by Greg Beacham that properly identified Khelif as a woman.
“A significant error was made in a headline on a story ... about Algerian boxer Imane Khelif incorrectly describing her as transgender. She is not. Additionally, our initial correction of this error neglected to note that she was born female,” the Globe wrote in its correction on Saturday. “We recognize the magnitude of this mistake and have corrected it. This editing lapse is regrettable and unacceptable and we apologize to Khelif, to Associated Press writer Greg Beacham, and to you, our readers.
Khelif has called for the bullying to end.
Noting Khelif and a Taiwanese boxer facing the same scrutiny, IOC President Thomas Bach said previously:
“We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised a woman, who have a passport as a woman, and who have competed for many years as women. And this is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman.”
Boston Globe Apologizes For Headline Error About Boxer In Gender Controversy
"The editing lapse is regrettable and unacceptable," the newspaper wrote.
Will this ever be reported on Fox Fake News who added fuel to the fire with their daily misinformation!!
Algeria Prohibits Gender Transitions and Trans Identity?
"In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited," one X user claimed, referring to an Olympic boxer.
www.snopes.com
Algeria Prohibits Gender Transitions and Trans Identity?
"In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited," one X user claimed, referring to an Olympic boxer.
Algeria Prohibits Gender Transitions and Trans Identity?
"In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited," one X user claimed, referring to an Olympic boxer.
www.snopes.com
This would appear to be a very technical issue with pros and cons, which has been blown up into a culture war issue.
There doesn't seem to be any hormone testing here. If you can find a source indicating that Khelif's underwent testosterone testing please post it. Both KB and I couldn't find one.
We all know the IOC has high standards when it comes to screening athletes. 
apnews.com
Olympic swimmers speak out about Chinese doping; and Britain's Adam Peaty says they should be out
Olympic swimmers spoke out about the Chinese doping scandal that has hung over these Paris Olympics as the events finished.
apnews.com
IBA Press Conference on ineligible athletes | 5 August 2024 | Paris, France
https://www.youtube.com/live/crKgzcIVf1k?si=nIALI66JGaDzhm6b
https://www.youtube.com/live/crKgzcIVf1k?si=nIALI66JGaDzhm6b
Can't find anything as well. After reading over the IOC Framework (On fairness, inclusion and non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sex variation) it essentially nullifies any attempt at eligibility criteria. And any restrictions arising from eligibility criteria has to be based on an evidence-based approach. Seeing Khelif and Yu-ting didn't identify as transgender women then there is no obligation to perform testosterone testing.
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Boxer Khelif dominant again, into gold medal bout
Boxer Imane Khelif of Algeria advanced to the gold medal bout in the women's welterweight division with a semifinal victory at the Paris Olympics on Tuesday
www.espn.com
No shock here...Khelif has dominated every round of every match.
