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I sincerely hope the information in this video is valid...Should be easy for a mainstream source to validate.

I'll tell you one thing, there's going to be some high ratings for the rest of Khelif's matches.
Real scandals often grip the Olympics. The case of Imane Khelif feels more like a sort of madness

Bruce ArthurPublished: August 2, 2024


PARIS—One true thing the Olympic movement tells itself is that is it inspiring. If you are a child and you see a countryman or a countrywoman striving on a global stage, sacrificing and succeeding, you might see yourself and a goal, even a future. The reason the Olympics succeed despite everything is that they sell the human spirit. There’s nothing like it.

The story of Algerian women’s boxer Imane Khelif was largely unknown before these Olympics. She had boxed since 2018, yes, and her only global medal came in 2022, a silver at the worlds. She is not a knockout puncher. Then came these Olympics and the loudest, emptiest, most vicious scandal at an Olympics in memory.

But it’s real enough at the same time. The British press in particular is attacking this like a bloodhound and should know better. Because the sole source of the idea that Khelif is not a woman comes from International Boxing Association president Umar Kremlev and his cronies. And that’s a problem.

Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan were disqualified from the 2023 worlds midway through the tournament, a few days after Khelif defeated touted Russian boxer Azalia Amineva in the 63-to-66-kilogram semifinal.

The IBA only posted information on a Russian channel of Telegram, a social media network. It claims there were tests in 2022 and 2023, and that the boxers had failed an unspecified test ”because they have XY chromosomes.” That was picked up by Russian state media outlet TASS.
The IBA only posted information on a Russian channel of Telegram, a social media network. It claims there were tests in 2022 and 2023, and that the boxers had failed an unspecified test ”because they have XY chromosomes.” That was picked up by Russian state media outlet TASS.

The type of tests have not been made public. The values of said tests have not been made public. The IBA is a deeply corrupt operation, sponsored by Russian gas giant Gazprom, and has been at war with the IOC since being suspended as a federation in 2019 and rendered unrecognized as a federation in 2023.

Then Khelif defeated a skittish Carini and a tidal wave of culture-war outrage was unleashed based entirely on unverified bilge from a disgraced, corrupt federation run by a Putin stooge who calls IOC president Thomas Bach “a chief sodomite” and the 2024 Games “outright sodomy.”

There are real scandals that grip Olympics. This one feels like a sort of madness.

“Just to reiterate, the Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport,” said International Olympic Committee spokesperson Mark Adams. “This is not a transgender case. There has been some confusion that somehow it's a man fighting a woman. That's just not the case, on that there is consensus. This is not a man fighting a woman.”

On the tests, Adams said, “We don't know what the protocol was, we don't know whether the test was accurate, we don't know if we believe the test. There's a difference between a test taking place and whether we accept the accuracy or even the protocol of the test.”

It’s hard to trust the IOC, of course. They are administering the boxing here, in the absence of a competent federation; they set the entry rules on gender, which relies to a great degree on the gender on your passport.

But the IBA and Kremlev have all the credibility of a Russian bot farm. Nothing they say can be relied upon without proof.

So maybe we let Khelif tell her story. She was made an ambassador for UNICEF this year and gave an interview earlier this year. She said when she was a child in rural Algeria she preferred soccer, but it wasn’t a sport for girls and the boys were threatened by how good she was, so they’d try to fight her. She got good at fighting but her father, a welder in the Sahara, didn’t approve of girls boxing. So Khelif sold scrap metal and her mother sold couscous to pay for the bus rides to practice in the next village. She wants to inspire girls and children in Algeria.

Adams said the IOC was in close contact with the Khelif camp. When asked about the safety of athletes, Adams said, “That's an entirely separate question to what is going on here, which is a woman boxer being stigmatized and potentially forced out of the competition.”

The Olympics are being eaten by culture wars. First came the opening ceremony — not just the question of LGBTQ people re-enacting either The Last Supper or a Dutch Bacchus piece, but also the beheaded Marie Antoinette being called satanic — and now women’s boxing. If this was a Russian op, it was almost too easy. If this is merely a corrupt federation throwing a stink bomb at the IOC, it was almost too easy.

But the unseemly chase for scandal continues. Lin, the other boxer the IBA disqualified, fought an Uzbek Friday. Lin used her superior reach and punching precision to win a unanimous decision. The Uzbek, Sitora Turdibekova, left the ring in tears, didn’t shake hands and did not talk to the voluminous number of press. But then, she had just been knocked out of the Olympics and punched in the face.

All this makes you think about what the Olympics are inspiring. What would little Algerian girls think, watching this feast of baseless bigotry? What would girls who are a little different — a little less traditionally feminine, a little different — think, watching all these people try to destroy a woman in the name of protecting women? Again, there is zero verifiable evidence Khelif and Lin are anything but.

And Friday afternoon, Carini said she accepted that Khelif could fight here and told La Gazzetta dello Sport: “Actually, I want to apologize to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke. I don’t have anything against Khelif. Actually, if I were to meet her again I would embrace her.”

The concept of gender is complex, nuanced, and scientifically and culturally difficult. The Olympics are a massive thing; beyond elephantine, beyond colossal. And yet in the past two days they have been swallowed by almost nothing at all.

Bruce Arthur is a columnist for the Star. Follow him on Twitter: @bruce_arthur.



From the article:
“Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan were disqualified from the 2023 worlds midway through the tournament, a few days after Khelif defeated touted Russian boxer Azalia Amineva in the 63-to-66-kilogram semifinal.

The IBA only posted information on a Russian channel of Telegram, a social media network. It claims there were tests in 2022 and 2023, and that the boxers had failed an unspecified test ”because they have XY chromosomes.” That was picked up by Russian state media outlet TASS.
The IBA only posted information on a Russian channel of Telegram, a social media network. It claims there were tests in 2022 and 2023, and that the boxers had failed an unspecified test ”because they have XY chromosomes.” That was picked up by Russian state media outlet TASS.

The type of tests have not been made public. The values of said tests have not been made public. The IBA is a deeply corrupt operation, sponsored by Russian gas giant Gazprom, and has been at war with the IOC since being suspended as a federation in 2019 and rendered unrecognized as a federation in 2023.”


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“It’s hard to trust the IOC, of course. They are administering the boxing here, in the absence of a competent federation; they set the entry rules on gender, which relies to a great degree on the gender on your passport.

But the IBA and Kremlev have all the credibility of a Russian bot farm. Nothing they say can be relied upon without proof.”
 
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So KB thanks for the info...Have a friend of mine's brother who played in the KHL, So yes I've heard first hand of the corruption that is involved in Russian sports. What's being claimed here sounds very plausible.

The IOC setting the entry rules on gender which relies on passport details is a huge red flag though.

I mean isn't there a hormone and chromosome standard? Surely there must be.

Then on the other hand it's hard to fathom that Muslim dominated Algeria would let an intersex person identify as a woman .

Perplexing case.
 

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Why not simply abolish boxing altogether. In reality, the essence of the sport is for somebody with superior power and skill to beat up somebody less endowed.

The argument against male vs female bouts can easily be expanded to any bout.
 
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Yes, but this Algerian boxer isn't a trans!!
So what's your issue?

She has been considered female since birth and there is absolutely no indication of what 'test' she may have failed, especially since the decision was made in secret by two exec who were dropped from the Olympics for corruption. I doubt Algeria would qualify as a woke state.
 
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Why not simply abolish boxing altogether. In reality, the essence of the sport is for somebody with superior power and skill to beat up somebody less endowed.

The argument against male vs female bouts can easily be expanded to any bout.
Yeah no, we like our violence.

But aside from that, based on your premise, should we not abolish most things all together?
Banking and investing, when you boil it down, is all about flexing superior power and skill to beat up somebody less endowed;
So too is much of Real Estate;
Politics;
Corporate development and structure;
Hell, even nature - a herd of lions or wolves, as example?...
So, perhaps we should just abolish near everything.
 

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Yeah no, we like our violence.

But aside from that, based on your premise, should we not abolish most things all together?
Banking and investing, when you boil it down, is all about flexing superior power and skill to beat up somebody less endowed;
So too is much of Real Estate;
Politics;
Corporate development and structure;
Hell, even nature - a herd of lions or wolves, as example?...
So, perhaps we should just abolish near everything.
Most investing and banking, although competitive, does not end up in physical violence.

The point I was attempting to make, was that in the all sport events some athletes may have physiological advantages, i.e. lung capacity or size of blood vessels or hormone levels, which gives them an advantage. Phelps is an often quoted example.

Only in combat sports are these advantages dangerous for the opponents.
 
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Most investing and banking, although competitive, does not end up in physical violence.

The point I was attempting to make, was that in the all sport events some athletes may have physiological advantages, i.e. lung capacity or size of blood vessels or hormone levels, which gives them an advantage. Phelps is an often quoted example.

Only in combat sports are these advantages dangerous for the opponents.
I was just horsing around. I get what you were trying to say.

Hey did the fish plant close down?
 
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The essence of boxing is skill which is why it's colloquially called the "sweet science".

As someone else said, the superior power is accounted for in weight classes.
You must realize that you are destroying your own argument. If the essence of boxing is skill, then men vs women is immaterial.

The fact is that only weight and gender is accounted for, when it comes to physiological endowments. Muscle fiber composition, lung capacity, and brain structure as examples are not accounted for.

PS: I am aware that my arguments are favoured by my objections to violent sports.
 

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While the essence of boxing is skill, power is important and that's why the weight classes exist.

Perhaps we can drawn an equivalence for the sake of illustration between gender and weight:

An average female boxer competing against an average male boxer may be the equivalent of an average male lightweight boxer facing an average heavyweight male boxer. It makes no sense to pit these two against each other in a fight.

The point is that the power differential between the sexes is so great, that it's akin to different weight classes.

So the options would be to
1. delineate boxing along gender lines as it is successfully done now,
2. complicate bouts by pitting lower weight male boxers against heavier female boxers, or
3. allow women that want to compete against men free to do so in the same weight category. This will never happen because female boxers want to compete rather than get killed.
You are making a lot of sense in defending what I consider a lost cause.
You are really saying: While the essence of boxing is power , skill is important and that's why the weight classes exist.
Why not just stop the violence and lead children into non-violent sports?

Of course, that will not happen, and truthfully, boxing is today civilized compared to the new combat sports like cage fighting and bare knuckle fighting.
 

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She has been considered female since birth and there is absolutely no indication of what 'test' she may have failed, especially since the decision was made in secret by two exec who were dropped from the Olympics for corruption. I doubt Algeria would qualify as a woke state.
The mega mooching IOC telling another sports organization its corrupt is extremely rich. Ms Carini is right, a mere trinket isn't enough compensation to become a female Allan Minter.

 
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Twitter thread outlining the role of Russia in creating the controversy and exploiting it.

 

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Anyone noticed that the CBC Olympic coverage this morning (Aug 03) is not showing any of the session #1 boxing which has the matches for Imane Klefief and Lin Yu-Ting. Instead they are showing session #2 in the afternoon.

I wonder if CBC is censoring? Luckily there are other options to watch these fights.
 

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Ohhh i see. "Moving goal posts" is the code you use when you get caught providing misinformation... So that means I moved the goal posts a good 3-4 times on you? If I were to predict, the next article you drop I will probably get to move the goal post another 3 times.
What misinformation have I provided exactly?

I showed you a man fighting a woman in a professional match and she won.
You are arguing that he wasn't a real pro even though he had two prior pro fights.

Semantics.

The point is lost on you.
 

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You know I just realized that none of your examples have any real video evidence? So I decided to provide you with one. This is a story about Lucia Rjiker:

So let me understand this...I provided an article that described a kickboxing fight between a man and a woman and you made a point of saying kickboxing is different than boxing.

Then you provide your video about a woman and a man in a kickboxing match?

Do you even know what you're arguing about right now or are all those blows to your head affecting your reasoning?
 
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