UFC 113: Machida vs. Shogun II

[The Oracle]

Date: May 08, 2010
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Venue: Bell Centre
Broadcast: Pay-per-view

MAIN CARD

* Champ Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (for light heavyweight title)
* Paul Daley vs. Josh Koscheck
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Sam Stout
* Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson vs. Matt Mitrione
* Alan Belcher vs. Patrick Cote

Lets break it down shall we:

Machida vs Rua............Machida. Rua's tactics last time didn't give him the win so he will have to be more agressive this time. which is just what the counter fighter Machida wants.

Daley vs Koscheck........ Koscheck. expect takedowns, takedowns and more takedowns. Might be boring but wins fights.

Stephens vs Stout....... Stout. stephens needs to turn this into a brawl but stout is to slick with his stand up to let that happen.

Kimbo vs Mitrione....... Mitrione. Matt's more athletic and has very heavy hands and after the Seth fight I'm not so sure about Kimbo's chin.

Belcher vs Cote..........Hmmm. Cote. I just worry about the ring rust as he has not fought in a while. Other than that Cote's iron chin and punching power should be to much for Belcher.

 

[dj1470]

Oracle you are soooooooooooooooooo wrong

Shogun by TKO
Daley by KO (it'll be spectacular)
Kimbo by TKO
Stephens by decision
Belcher by KO

 

[The Oracle]

Oracle you are soooooooooooooooooo wrong

Shogun by TKO
Daley by KO (it'll be spectacular)
Kimbo by TKO
Stephens by decision
Belcher by KO

Jesus h christ polar opposite to my pics, lol.

 

[Bale]

My predictions:

Shogun will try to mix up the striking and GNP this time but Machida will score a KO while Shogun attempts a clinch.

Koscheck will win by GNP or surprise submission. He'll try to stand for the first round but after feeling the crisp strikes of Daley will take him down with great ease, break Daley's will and get the win.

Sam Stout by close decision in a grueling fight.

Mitrione will attack Kimbo's weakest point (legs/knees) with kick after kick, taking the sails out of Mr. Slice. By the end of the second round, Kimbo will be gassed out and Mitrione will fake a leg kick and follow with a looping overhand for the KO.

Cote will work the angles as Belcher chases after him and score a counterpunch KO.

 

[basketcase]

IMO another weak card. Even though the main event is two top guys, their 1st match up bored the fuck out of me.

 

[EntertainmentMan2000]

my picks are:

Shogun
Kimbo
Cote
Stout
Koscheck

whenever people say ohhh this card sucks it usually turns out to be an awesome card of fights!

 

[GotGusto]

Lots of people rooting for Shogun, but Machida will win again.

 

[EntertainmentMan2000]

Lots of people rooting for Shogun, but Machida will win again.

Machida I will give it is a good fighter,,but Shogun has nothing to lose,,Machida has everything to lose. I will predict 2nd round TKO for Shogun.

 

[howdydoody2010]

does anyone know where it is available online?

 

[EntertainmentMan2000]

does anyone know where it is available online?

www.ufc.com/live

 

[Manji]

MAIN CARD

* Champ Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (for light heavyweight title)
* Paul Daley vs. Josh Koscheck
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Sam Stout
* Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson vs. Matt Mitrione
* Alan Belcher vs. Patrick Cote

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My picks:

Shogun vs Machida
I'm gonna go with Shogun...Its gonna be interesting on whether Machida will change his game against Shogun....Shogun did everything right the last fight and if he can control the fight like he did last time he should just start turning it up in the fourth and fifth round...Shogun needs to turn it up but be smart about it..An extra hit or two (a few more combinations rather than single hits)...
Shogun by Decision

Koschek vs Daley
I'll have to go with Koschek...He's gonna play it safe and take him down...Hopefully he won't be Laying and praying....Koschek by Decision

Stout by Decision

Mtirion by TKO in the Second

Belcher by KO in the Third

 

[The Oracle]

So what did we learn after the bouts:

-Shogun has returned to his old form from the Pride days. He also showed class in stopping his barrage of punches before the ref intervened at the end of the fight. Could there be a Anderson-Shogun match somewhere down the line?

-Koschek would be a good soccer player with his faking ability, just embarrassing. After the fight during the interview with Joe Rogan he then told the fans how the Pens are going to beat the Habs next week and how he is going to give it to them twice by beating GSP. He exited to a chorus of boos.

-Daley's best punch came after the fight was over. Sore loser, Dana said he is finished in the UFC in the post fight presser.

-Dana also said that Kimbo was going to be cut as well from the promotion. His 15 minutes are up.

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[Social Gent]

Finally... A PRIDE Champion has made it in the UFC.
What is scary however, is that this is the same Rua that Coleman almost beat just a little over a year ago......

 

[dj1470]

Belcher looks like the real deal but his bravado calling out Spider was ridiculous - he has no chance - Cote looked rusty, he'll be back

My heart was with Kimbo but I had a feeling this would happen, Mitrione is nothing - Kimbo is done thanks for the YouTube memories

Stephens/Stout was a battle of attrition - Stephens caused more damage

Sure both Koshcheck and Daley are both assholes - Daley will be suspended and probably fired, Koshcheck is a gutless wonder who is now playing a role for Dana White - that of the villian to GSP's hero on the next season of TUF - he has no chance to beat GSP and he knows it

Machida looked worried outside the octagon and looked out of shape inside the Octagon - I had it under good authority he had a bad camp trouble with weight and the flu - Shogun looked good in his domination over Lyoto who nows goes to the bottom of the rankings - I don't think he'll be back and will probably go back to Japan - next up for Shogun with be the Rampage/Rashad winner.

 

[UspCompact]

I think Kimbo was done after he got finished at that EliteXc debacle. He was never cut out to be an MMA fighter, he looked gassed halfway through the first round.
Shogun should have won the first fight between then IMO. Lyoto got flattened finally and that was the only highlight of an otherwise stale Ufc event.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

I'll preface this by saying that Paul Daley is a mouthy asshat and was 100% wrong, bordering on criminal, with his punch in the seconds after the bell. 'Semtex' deserves a year's suspension with a one-more-strike-and-you're-out proviso upon his return.

That being said, I find it hypocritical that Dana White has the audacity to try and be the moral centre of MMA. In the past couple of years, he has:

• signed Heath Herring, who once suckered punched a guy in the pre-fight instructions/staredown
• signed Gilbert Yvel, who among his many transgressions, struck and KO'd a refereee, intentionally eye gouged Don Frye and bit another opponent
• ignored Nate Diaz's role in that embarrassing post-fight melee/beatdown in Strikeforce
• further to that, is about to sign Jake Shields, who initiated that same physical confrontation with the idiot Jason Miller
• let the nobody Jesse Taylor come back to the UFC after embarrassing the organization (and potentially conducting criminal acts) while still on TUF
• has kept steriod users like Stephan Bonner, Chris Leben and now, James Toney around

I could go on, but that's just off the top of my head.

Needless to say, any moralistic high ground the mouthy UFC president takes rings a bit hollow. If he sticks to his "banned from UFC forever stance," he's a hypocritical clown. We all know that if White thinks he can make money off of Paul Daley, Semtex be back with the "everybody deserves a second chance" rationale...

DW's posturing is so lame.

Worse, Josh Koscheck now gets a shot at GSP? For what? Faking an injury on an attempted illegal blow that missed entirely? Laying and praying on Daley, while doing that lame cover the mouth with the hands crap? Getting knocked out by Paulo Thiago? (lol!) Refusing to fight his teammate - and better technical striker and wrestler - Jon Fitch? As has been noted, he has no chance to beat GSP other than by lucky strike or injury. So what's the point? Because he cuts a lame promo on the Canadiens and says he'll beat GSP? (At what, hosing him while he sleeps?)

I'd almost rather see Daley fight GSP. He's more entertaining and at least has a puncher's chance. (Ok, maybe not, but you can see what I mean...)

Koscheck showed nothing last night. Lay and pray. No damage to Daley - never even had a legit shot at finishing. Tried to cheat. Resorted to cheap tactics. Trash talked during the fight. And he gets the rub on TUF + a title shot?

I'd rather see the winner of the Jon Fitch-Thiago Alves rematch get a shot.

Nice to see Shogun all the way back -- I picked him to win because I still remember the Halcyon days of Pride where he was the best 205-lber in the world, and I've been a fan since. Glad the UFC didn't pull the trigger and cut him too quickly. I hope Shogun can stay healthy and motivated.

Now we'll see how Machida deals with adversity. I think in his heart he knew he lost the first fight and has now been KTFO'd for the first time in his life. That's not easy to come back from.

I actually feel for Kevin Ferguson. Kimbo made a really good effort to become a true MMA fighter and he must be given respect for that. Too bad he started out so late in life, has bad knees, couldn't find a weight class (he's neither a LHW or a HW - I still believe they need to have a 230lb class) and had to deal with unreasonable expectations. It was never his fault that the internet made him out to be something he wasn't (toughest man in the world) and that the clowns at EliteXC tried to do the same (legit mixed martial artist.)

Impossible to tell what Matt Mitrione is going to be like. It's easy to look good against guys that have huge holes in their game.


I still think the move Belcher pulled on Patrick Cote was illegal - it may not have been a piledriver, per se, but it sure as hell was a HHH Pedigree. Someone is going to die or be paralyzed by a spike-type move one of these days if the UFC and the other governing bodies don't get control of this.

 

[Social Gent]

That being said, I find it hypocritical that Dana White has the audacity to try and be the moral centre of MMA. In the past couple of years, he has:

• signed Heath Herring, who once suckered punched a guy in the pre-fight instructions/staredown

Actually, CF, it was ruled that Herring did not sucker punch Nakao after an investigation. They ruled that Nakao initiated contact, and therefore instigated Herring, by kissing him on the lips during the "stare down". Good old Pride, the initiators of the "stare down" before EVERY match in MMA.

 

[thecuriousgeorge]

The whole card was fairly boring...the Koscheck/daley fight had some moments, but mostly it was Koscheck's faking and daley's cheap shot...
it was pretty boring but the pounding Machida got made up for it...well worth the wait.

He's got a ways to go...

he looked flabby and very winded after the little spurts of fighting...kinda dissapointed in his preparation for this fight...

 

[HOF]

I'm really not a fan of MMA, but I have watched several for various reasons.

Kevin Ferguson "Kimbo Slice" will go back to fighting in the alleys and menacing smaller people until someone puts a bullet in him. 15 minutes of fame are over; you're the weakest link goodbye.

Daley was fired on the spot. Really just shows that they're more thugs than anything.

Koscheck, gets the Oscar! GSP is going to hurt that idiot.

 

[C Dick]

I think it is a waste to fire Kimbo. To me, he is in the same category as Chuck Lidell and Tito Ortiz - not / no longer able to compete at the highest level, but too famous to discard. He would make a perfect TUF coach though, he could dispense crazy street wisdom while his assistants did the actual coaching. Kimbo versus Randy Couture as coaches?

GSP versus Koscheck will be boring, Koscheck will be a jerk, GSP will take it seriously and ignore Koscheck and not get into a feud, then GSP will pound him in the ring. Koscheck versus Daly as coaches, winner to fight GSP would had more potential.