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Frankfooter

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I agree it threatens Germany's security. One way of ensuring security is to not place weapons in Finland and provoke Russia into placing weapons in Belarus thereby threatening German security. The other way is to invade and cause WW3.

Again, blame the instigator, not the one responding to a threat in kind.
So you would argue for the same solution Putin saw to Ukrainian 'threats'?
That NATO should invade Russia over threats?
 

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krealtarron

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So you would argue for the same solution Putin saw to Ukrainian 'threats'?
That NATO should invade Russia over threats?
NATO was the one who threatened Russia in the first place. Do you even think before posting?
 
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NATO was the one who threatened Russia in the first place. Do you even think before posting?
Of course, its always NATO (US) to blame.
Only Russia is justified in responding to threats because only threats to Russia count, for whatever reason you can think of today.
 
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Of course, its always NATO (US) to blame.
Only Russia is justified in responding to threats because only threats to Russia count, for whatever reason you can think of today.
In this particular case, yes it is NATO/US's fault.
 

krealtarron

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This war with take at least 10 years.
Yup this is going to be a multi-year affair. Ukraine will be a parking lot when it is done. And then the US will leave and call it "strategic disengagement" or some shit. And the morons here will still be cheering for it.

Kissinger: "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend, fatal"
 

Valcazar

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I agree it threatens Germany's security. One way of ensuring security is to not place weapons in Finland and provoke Russia into placing weapons in Belarus thereby threatening German security. The other way is to invade and cause WW3.

Again, blame the instigator, not the one responding to a threat in kind.
Russia putting the nukes there is the instigator.
Are you 100% certain that if you follow the chain of causality all the way back the way you want to it leads to the solution you hope for?
I know your ideology insists you are right, but are you really sure that you want to keep playing hopscotch into the past that way?
How far back are you willing to go?
 

Valcazar

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So you would argue for the same solution Putin saw to Ukrainian 'threats'?
That NATO should invade Russia over threats?
No.
He is arguing Germany should invade NATO.
Because NATO is forcing Russia to put nukes in Belarus and threaten Germany.
 

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It isn't entirely crazy.
Trump would have been pressuring Ukraine to accept Russian control of the government, replace Zelensky with someone more proRussia, etc.
He likely would have interfered with any attempts at economic or political outreach to the EU.

So Putin wouldn't have had to invade because he would have control without spending troops.

It is possible he would have failed anyway, and Putin would have gone forward with the invasion, but it wouldn't have been in 2022 even if that did happen.
To my understanding the president can not go to war or aid a country without approval from congress. Trump wasn't able to stop aid going to Ukraine but he can hold it up like when he tried to extort Ukraine into opening up a sham investigation against his political opponent. Trump thinks he's a player like putin and can get away with whatever he wants but in reality there are checks and balances in place to protect people from egregious government action. The gopee is currently calling to end these oversights and defund the FBI and DOJ in retaliation for charging Trump. The GOPee believes the president should be untouchable even after his term, but their actions indicate that this special immunity is only applicable to Republicans. It's perfectly OK to impeached bill Clinton for a blowjob and have an fbi probe for whitewater. It's also ok for Republicans to charge presidential hopeful John Edward's for campaign fund violations before an election, but do that to Trump and its blue murder.
 

krealtarron

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Russia putting the nukes there is the instigator.
Since Finland has joined NATO that automatically means NATO weapons will be present in Finland. So that is the instigator, not Russia.
 
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Valcazar

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Since Finland has joined NATO that automatically means NATO weapons will be present in Finland. So that is the instigator, not Russia.
I see.
I forgot.
Any NATO country has "NATO weapons" so the presence or absence of nuclear weapons isn't material.
There are "NATO weapons" so nuclear threats by Russia are appropriate.
 

krealtarron

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I see.
I forgot.
Any NATO country has "NATO weapons" so the presence or absence of nuclear weapons isn't material.
There are "NATO weapons" so nuclear threats by Russia are appropriate.
Yes. Any NATO military action - which includes signing up a new member, discussing a potential addition to NATO, placing nukes or missiles in any NATO member state, etc will result in Russian retaliation in some form and that is to be expected. This is why NATO needs to be dismantled. The instigator is always NATO.
 
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Insult to Injury: Russia tweaks top secret documents of Ukraine’s counterattack plan after leaked on Twitter, Telegram


Story by Umang Sharma • 13h ago


Washington: The much-awaited and hyped Ukrainian counter strike on Russia that has been months in the planning might have ended even before a start. Classified documents with details of the attack plan, including sensitive information such as photographs of charts of anticipated weapons deliveries, troop and battalion strengths, were leaked on social media platforms in the US, the New York Timesreported Friday.

Insult to Injury: Russia tweaks top secret documents of Ukraine’s counterattack plan after leaked on Twitter, Telegram
Insult to Injury: Russia tweaks top secret documents of Ukraine’s counterattack plan after leaked on Twitter, Telegram© Provided by Firstpost
According to NYT, the Pentagon has launched an investigation to find out the source of this highly sensitive and damaging intelligence leak.

The publication quoted senior Biden administration officials as having said that “Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russia were posted this week on social media channels.”

The sensitive documents appeared on Twitter and on Telegram.

Russia toys with US, NATO

In yet another turn of events, to add insult to injury, NYT said military analysts were of the view that the disclosed documents “appear to have been modified in certain parts from their original format, overstating American estimates of Ukrainian war dead and understating estimates of Russian troops killed”, suggesting a disinformation campaign by Moscow.

“Whether these documents are authentic or not, people should take care with anything released by Russian sources,” said Michael Kofman, the director of Russian studies at CNA, a research institute in Arlington, Va.


“For example, one of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths. The Pentagon and other analysts have estimated that Russia has suffered far more casualties, with closer to 200,000 killed and injured, while Ukraine has had more than 100,000 killed and injured,” the NYT report said.

“Nonetheless, analysts said parts of the documents appeared authentic and would provide Russia with valuable information.”

According to NYT, Biden officials has not succeeded yet in getting the documents purged from the social media sites.

“We are aware of the reports of social media posts and the department is reviewing the matter,” said Sabrina Singh, the deputy press secretary at the Pentagon.

No specifics leaked, but invaluable for Russia

According to the report, while the documents do not reveal any specifics—battle plans, how, when, and where Ukraine intends to launch its counteroffensive and the documents are five-weeks old—it could be invaluable for the Russian war planners.

“The documents mention, for instance, the expenditure rate of HIMARS — American-supplied high mobility artillery rocket systems, which can launch attacks against targets like ammunition dumps, infrastructure and concentrations of troops, from a distance. The Pentagon has not said publicly how fast Ukrainian troops are using the HIMARS munitions; the documents do,” the NYT reported.
 

SchlongConery

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Sorry addict2bs, but unless the leaks are published by the Hindustan Times, it is US government and NATO neo-libtard propaganda.
 

krealtarron

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Sorry addict2bs, but unless the leaks are published by the Hindustan Times, it is US government and NATO neo-libtard propaganda.
Glad you have become a believer in The Hindustan Times Schlong.

Here you go:

 
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