Thats a silly proposition. You cannot argue this with a faulty premise that Russia are defacto invaders of all things they see.
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I agree. They'll just invade the states that made up their fucked up old Empire. Canada isn't part of that.
And besides, we'd kick their ass even better than the Ukrainians are. Our fucking polar bears would beat the Russian army!
ANSWER THE QUESTION or you shall be known as the UNHINGED TRIGGERED OBSESSED WARMONGER TROLL!!!!!!
In the name of 'peace' you would have Ukraine surrender, let Russians take their kids, plunder their homes, purge their cities of 'dissidents' and set the grounds for another Holodomor.
All because you hate Americans and American foreign policy?
You think that's peace?
Surrender your country?
Wait, so its ok to kill people and destroy their country if you think they are a 'puppet state'?
That makes it ok for Putin to come in and make Ukraine a Russian puppet state?
So much death you accept in the name of peace.
You have summed up what he is actually saying, despite his protestations and claims of innocently providing 'information'.
I really don't care what his motives are, nor his normal discussions elsewhere on TERB, he demonstrates a despicable fundamental character that only serves to remind me what evil, sociopathic inhumanity lurks within people that we interact with every day, that otherwise seem normal.
No. I would have Ukraine and Russia stop fighting. And agree to the following.
- That Russia give back Donbas.
- That Russia keep Crimea (that is not going to be given back one way or another)
- That Ukraine stay militarily neutral, but free to be more "western oriented" in terms of economy etc., There would obviously need to be security guarantees for both Ukraine and Russia.
Of course these will require hard bargaining and negotiations. But that is the next step.
You on the other hand are in hollywood la la land. You think Ukraine is going to gloriously defeat Russia and regain everything including Crimea and the Russians are going to just self destruct. Not going to happen. Even if it were to happen, it will be due to WW 3. Not due to this invasion. WW 3 would mean all of us die. So there you go.
If you had an ounce of self awareness or even a moral compass you would know that what you are proposing is what is evil, despicable and sociopathic. What kind of human being, sits 20,000 miles away and eggs on war resulting in the deaths of millions instead of calling for an end to hostilities. A weird, downright dumb world we live in where people who ask for peace are the evil warmongers and assholes like you are the morally superior ones.
Go ask your grandfather who told you he should have picked up arms against the USSR but did not when it came down to it. Ask him why he chose to move away instead. He did the right thing and here you are running your mouth about my character. Atleast be a man and say it to my face instead of being a bitch and talking behind my back.
Oh and you are pissed off because I post videos from the Hindustan Times or other sources that talk about Russian successes when everyone here post successes from the Ukrainian perspective. So you dont even want to SEE anything that is a Russian success even though it is reality. Absolutely laughable.
War Pigs the lot of you.
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Chechnya in fairness was Russian since long ago, but what about USSR accomplishments?
Latvia
Estonia
Lithiania
Romania
Poland
Japan
Finland
Germany
Afghanistan
Question. You ever wonder why after the USSR destroyed Afghanistan, the Afghans supported terrorists to bomb the US instead, that actually armed and helped them, killing over 3000 people? Ever think about why?
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YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION or you shall be known as the UNHINGED TRIGGERED MORONIC WARMONGERING PUTIN COCK SUCKING TROLL!!!!!
You keep saying Russia is winning.
So why would Russia stop winning and return the land they captured in Donbas?
Why would they stop fighting if your HT videos are so accurate and they are about to win the war?
I did not say Russia is winning. I am merely posting videos from HT. If tomorrow Russia loses something and HT makes a video I will post that too. I have always said, I dont love or hate Russia. Similarly Ukraine, I dont love or hate them.
What I hate is US foreign policy which is directly responsible for this conflict.
I dont think any side wants this gruelling war. Russia has lost a lot of men and material. So has Ukraine. And this war is going to end in negotiations anyway. So the sooner that happens the better and I think if there is a sincere effort from both sides, it can indeed happen.
You repeatedly blamed the US, called Ukraine a puppet state and said the war was justified because of US foreign policy. Then call anyone who supports Ukraine's decision to defend themselves against a war of aggression a 'warmonger'.
You post only from HT because its the only source, outside of Pravda, that supports your narrative that Putin's war is winning and just, other than perhaps Tucker Carlson's show.
The only proposal that is even remotely close to what you propose is Xi's proposal that fighting stops and Russia keeps what they won. This would of course result in a Russian/Chinese alliance that would look similar to NATO, but I would have to assume you would support this agreement because you hate the US. This would also lay the ground to China taking Taiwan, which I'm sure you would also support in the name of peace.
You see where this is going?
I see where this is going. If this goes where you want it to, Russia will be destroyed and the west will be gloriously successful. Of course that is an unrealistic scenario, so what it will actually get to, is WW 3 nuclear holocaust. The Russia/China alliance is not remotely similar to NATO and to even suggest that is utter nonsense. I also explicitly said that Russia should give back Donbas and effectively go back to 2014 borders, so not sure how you think I am proposing that Russia keep what it took.
And yes, the US and its foreign policy is solely to blame for this conflict. Ukraine is a puppet state yes but that is a fault of its politicians for selling their country out. This effectively is a proxy war and that is the tragedy.
And you know why only HT and a few others post about it from the Russian side? Because all other media sources including RT have been BANNED and censured by YouTube, Google and other social media. Its absolutely ridiculous. What you are getting is curated, propaganda in the western MSM. So I post what is available.
So yes what you call "Ukraine's self defence" is really just a proxy war. A war that needs to end ASAP with concessions from Ukraine, the West and Russia. There is just no other viable alternative because the only other alternative is possibly nuclear holocaust or atleast an Ukrainian one.
As far as China and Taiwan, I have always supported the One China policy.
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