You can kill a lot of people for 100 billion dollars!
Why do they need more?
How much is enough?
What did they buy with that 100 billion dollars? 5 broken Canadian tanks?
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Why do they need more?
How much is enough?
What did they buy with that 100 billion dollars? 5 broken Canadian tanks?
WTF do you care about people's lives, you can't even answer an easy question that has an obvious correct answer. YOU SIR are an obsessed Russian Triggered Warmongering Troll.
We must cave in because Russia has nukes. Well we have nukes also and unlike theirs we know ours haven't been stripped for copper wire and other components to be sold on the black market by officers or the privates.
I love that double standard. Poutine and his ilk know that going nuclear would be a very bad idea personally. For one thing, that is just begging for a similar response, 2: It would pretty much mean going full North Korea in terms of isolation, even China and India would be hard pressed to support that, and 3: it would limit Poutines ability to flee in case of a coup to North Korea or maybe Somalia.
But I guess it's like how you only give a shit about Ukrainian lives when it comes to the west providing military that they generally want and need to fight back but attach no blame for Russia actually invading Ukraine both in 2014 and now.
Clown Shoes. So go on about how everyone but you is an idiot facist war monger. Please do.
I'd be a bit concerned about the next elections. The Republicans seem to have a solid base of Neville Chamberlains.
I don't see Poutine making any reasonable offers, just more attacks on civilians, more thievery rape and torture.
Russia is reduced to bringing in T54/55s, Ukraine is getting Leo 2s, M1A2 and CHallenger 2 tanks plus soon NATO aircraft.
Russia also knows this but they are a bit special needs so Ukraine needs to show them the real balance of power by taking back more clay and smashing shit up. Even then they probably will have to drive the Russians out of their lands before Russia negotiates. Much like how Hitler went through a rough childhood, borderline homeless, artist dreams dashed, built his dream country only to see it crash down in ruins but he doesn't kill himself till the day after he got married. Some world leaders are stubborn like that.
The west isn't fighting, They are backing the Ukrainians who are very willing to fight with gear and intel. It's up tot he Ukrainians to decide when to come to the table and considering the sorts of offers Russia is giving they are right to say fuck off.
Kinda like how someone on this thread who said if China attacked India it should be up to the Indians to fight or not fight. Gee I wonder who said that. Hmmm
Seems you are an anti west hate monger. If it's 'merica it's wrong. Like those "peace" activists during the cold war who would only protest western nukes and not Russian ones to the point of being unilateralists.
It's not up to the west to make offers. Ukraine has the lead as an immerging democracy to make offers . The west will shore up their forces to prevent an expansion from Russia that the only thing you can expect from the west and maybe convince or apply pressure for a fair deal.
But since the Russians are the ones being kick in the nuts by a small force that was under equipped to start with...if i were Putin ...I'd be the one throwing an olive branch before depleting my entire forces for the next decade or decades as Russia doesn't have the means to carry on . The Wagner mercenaries keep begging for mortar and artillery shells which they can't seem to be getting...so they keep throwing bodies at the problem and now are running out of inmates/convicts to do the job. Pretty bad sign if you ask ...
Ukraine had security guarantees from Russia for giving up its nukes and it got invaded twice by Russia.
The Russians have the ability to throw bodies and equipment over and over again, which is what they will do. It is a tried and tested Russian tactic. Also its not true to just assume Ukraine is an independent strong nation making decisions on its own. If they did, they wouldn't be where they are today. The US after spending 100s of billions is also not going to just sit by and let Ukraine make decisions and whatever decisions they make need to be agreeable to the west as well, realistically speaking. So the west and Ukraine could come up with the offer.
So did Russia, with the whole "not one inch east ward" promise by the US only to be stabbed in the back.
Well, then when Putin said he was not invading and it was just doing a military exercise should also qualify as a security guarantee.
It was a lie, the same way the Minsk agreements were a lie. Everyone understood at that point that it was going to be war aka too late. After all the war started in 2014.
So in your mind you are committed to security guarantees being worth less than nothing, then why are you arguing for security guarantees as the solution?
I am saying that what you brought up regarding military exercises dont count as security guarantees. Security guarantees will need to be given to both Ukraine and Russia if the war is to end. Its something both sides would want realistically speaking.
Another 59 million in military aid plus... 2.4 billion loan to Ukraine.
Bloody hell, it's all taxpayers money.
Canada is falling apart, there is no money for veterans, for hospitals, there is no room to house homeless but we sure have money for the most corrupt government in the world.
I would actually say it is you that has circular arguments.
If the war has to end both sides have to come to an agreement and it is realistic to expect that they would both need security guarantees.
There is of course no guarantees that they will last, but the other alternative is war.
But the goal of negotiations is to stop war, so if you come back with "Oh the security guarantees and agreements wont be adhered to as seen in the past", then you are not proposing a solution in the first place. You are just creating roadblocks instead of finding a solution.
Like the Moscow Times?
Russia Lost 1.3M Young Workers in 2022 – Research - The Moscow Times
The number of young workers in Russia has dropped to one of its lowest levels in the country’s post-Soviet history, the RBC news website reported Tuesday, citing research based on official statistics by the Finexpertiza consulting firm.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Ukraine gave up their nukes for security guarantees once already.
Why should they trust Putin?
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