Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV
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Yeah absolutely the bully guy (Chris Leben) is out to lunch. I mean c'mon pissing on someone's bed right before you are about to sleep. The guy's a psycho, that's for sure. However he does posess amazing drive. He got plastered(with alcohol) the night before training and still managed to show us he is one of the top contenders the next day. Love him or hate him he makes the show interesting. We have to remember that this is a reality show and what brings in the viewers is tension and conflict.(personally i hope he gets his assed kicked.)
As for Mr. Canadian guy Jason Thacker it's unfortunate that things are not going well for him. He seems to be a guy with great character and a super nice person. However this is a fight show and from what we have seem his skills seem inferior to the rest of the guys. (the show is of course edited so of course we really don't see everything) I hope the best for him.
For anyone looking to train in the greater Toronto area there is a great club in the Mississauga area called Kombat Arts Training Academy. I think their address is Kamato Rd. in Mississauga(I' not 100% sure though)
As for Mr. Canadian guy Jason Thacker it's unfortunate that things are not going well for him. He seems to be a guy with great character and a super nice person. However this is a fight show and from what we have seem his skills seem inferior to the rest of the guys. (the show is of course edited so of course we really don't see everything) I hope the best for him.
For anyone looking to train in the greater Toronto area there is a great club in the Mississauga area called Kombat Arts Training Academy. I think their address is Kamato Rd. in Mississauga(I' not 100% sure though)
Cro-Cop is definitely over confident. Look at how Randleman was able to defeat him in Critcal Countdown 2004. It's too bad that Randleman could not repeat it.Manji said:Cro-cop is an "okay" guy and sort of arrogant (over confident depending on how you look at it)....
The last Pride had Arona pulling an idiotic move. ...
...For that, Jackson should powerbomb Arona agian ...
I missed Arona's move.
Jackson really blasted Arona. I'm surprised that they didn't have to carry Arona out.
Wanderlei was training for almost 2 months. Hunt trained probably for less than 2 days. If Hunt trained for 2 months, he would have weighed a lot less and it would have been even worse.Manji said:
Wanderlei had full mount on Hunt twice for a while each time and should have been able to finish Hunt off. The first time he let Hunt sit up and reverse so that Wanderlei ended up on bottom in full guard
Wanderlai definitly could have been a lot more busy but maybe he was cautious of Mark Hunt's power.l69norm said:
And I guess Wanderlai has always relied on his stiking that his ground game is not up to par.
Could be that since he had to fight Sakuraba; Vand just planned to knock Saku out and didn't really train....
It amazes me that Mark Hunt is 275 lbs. I figured that if he was serious about fighting in Pride, he would be closer to his regular fighting weight. He was about 250 lbs when he was the K1 2001 World Grand Prix Champion.Manji said:
It looks like to lost to Cro-Cop in the 2002. That would make a good rematch - Hunt vs. Cro-Cop
The sensei's that are against mixed martial arts most likely come from a tradidional background like Karate, Tae Kwon Do etc. Traditional martial arts place an emphasis on forms and pre arranged patterns: Katas, doing kicks and strikes in the air without an opponent etc. However in a real situation someone is going to be hitting you back. Like Bruce Lee said a heavy bag is not going to hit you back. I'm not slagging traditional martial arts in any way. Watching an expert do movement can be breathtaking to watch and requires a great deal of skill. For full contact fighting though nothing beats non traditional styles such as wrestling, boxing, Jeet Kune Do, BJJ, kickboxing, thai boxing etc.. One can learn and become extremely knowledgeable about certain moves but actually applying it is a whole new ballgame. For example learn about a move grappling and then goof around with a friend. You'll find out how hard it truly is to apply your hold when somebody is actually fighting back(applying resistance etc.)
Having someone cut n' paste your martial arts style so they can be on TV and compete in pay fights is just about as offensive as one can get in the eyes of someone truly dedicated to a particular style/school, IMHO.
Somehow I don't think these UFC fighters are learning all the spiritual teachings of the styles they are "borrowing" from. It's just take whatever you want that will help you win. Not exactly being faithful to the spirit of many martial arts forms, IMO.
Somehow I don't think these UFC fighters are learning all the spiritual teachings of the styles they are "borrowing" from. It's just take whatever you want that will help you win. Not exactly being faithful to the spirit of many martial arts forms, IMO.
Some traditional martial instructors also fear that these new form of martial arts will lure away potential students. Mixed martial arts has a much more realistic aspect of fighting that will lure students who are interested in full contact styles of fighting.
There are not many martial artists who will admit that their style is obsolete or inferior or just plain impratical. Many traditionalists are sent in their ways and still believe in the purity (and the effectiveness) of their martial art.
Not all these UFC and Pride fighters are boneheads. Some of them originally trained in more traditional martial arts systems (like Chuck Liddell) and thus retain some of the deeper aspects of martial arts.
Even guys who only trained in modern martial arts can find the "warrior spirit"; in the end its all about the self (mind, body and soul) and not about the martial art.
There are not many martial artists who will admit that their style is obsolete or inferior or just plain impratical. Many traditionalists are sent in their ways and still believe in the purity (and the effectiveness) of their martial art.
Not all these UFC and Pride fighters are boneheads. Some of them originally trained in more traditional martial arts systems (like Chuck Liddell) and thus retain some of the deeper aspects of martial arts.
Even guys who only trained in modern martial arts can find the "warrior spirit"; in the end its all about the self (mind, body and soul) and not about the martial art.
True, a traditonalist can look and see his or her sytle be stolen/taken and take offense but really that is what martial arts is all about...Keebler Elf said:
Some people forget the "martial" in martial arts. In the end, its about the warrior, its about the ability to beat your opponent/enemy any way you can.
And if that mean adopting and adjusting techniques; then so be it...
Take what is effective to you and discard what is useless; a logical rule in fighting that many traditonal martial artists will not recogonize or follow...
Yes, 2 examples :2 Swift said:
Arona vs. Jackson as mentioned before. Arona applies an arm bar submission to Jackson. Jackson picks up Arona and slams him into the mat, knocking Arona out cold.
Mir vs. Slyvia. Mir applies an arm bar submission to Slyvia. Slyvia picks up Mir and starts slamming him into the mat. Mir then twists Slyvia's arm and breaks it in 3 places.
Anybody catch the last couple of shows?
Saw last weeks on Saturday and saw the new episode on Monday night.
Definitly got a lot better now that they added the elimination fights into the mix. The fights are pretty entertaining.
Can't stand that Chris Leban guy. I hope that Koshchek (black guy with the blonde hair) rocks him when they fight.
From what I can tell about Leban, he's not the greatest striker; more haymakers and power swings and if it goes to the ground, Koshchek; the All-American wrestler should dominate.
UFC president,Dana White is sort of annoying too. There's no real reason why he should be on the show except that he just wants to be on camera. I found it funny that he was giving training tips to Lidell and Couture. What a maroon...
Saw last weeks on Saturday and saw the new episode on Monday night.
Definitly got a lot better now that they added the elimination fights into the mix. The fights are pretty entertaining.
Can't stand that Chris Leban guy. I hope that Koshchek (black guy with the blonde hair) rocks him when they fight.
From what I can tell about Leban, he's not the greatest striker; more haymakers and power swings and if it goes to the ground, Koshchek; the All-American wrestler should dominate.
UFC president,Dana White is sort of annoying too. There's no real reason why he should be on the show except that he just wants to be on camera. I found it funny that he was giving training tips to Lidell and Couture. What a maroon...
sensei's whom are angered by mixed martial arts are threatened, because it's brought to light the fact that most, if not all martial arts have their limitations. In a realistic situation, you'd need stand up just as much as ground fighting...old school stuff like TKD and Karate are great for fitness and disclipline, but, put them up against a fighter who can box and do brazilian jiu jitsu and let's see who wins...
Joe Rogan
You have to like Joe Rogan's comments during UFC 51 when he said he couldn't understand why anyone would take Tae Kwon Do or other traditional martial arts....I believe he called them "stupid".
For those of you who don't know....Joe Rogan is a former US TKD champion and is currently a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under the Machado's.
TUF isn't the best show on TV but I hope that is does bring in some mainstream fans in showing how hard these guys train and how technical the fights are....these are just a bunch of drunken bar-room brawlers.
You have to like Joe Rogan's comments during UFC 51 when he said he couldn't understand why anyone would take Tae Kwon Do or other traditional martial arts....I believe he called them "stupid".
For those of you who don't know....Joe Rogan is a former US TKD champion and is currently a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under the Machado's.
TUF isn't the best show on TV but I hope that is does bring in some mainstream fans in showing how hard these guys train and how technical the fights are....these are just a bunch of drunken bar-room brawlers.
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yychobbyist
I caught my first episode of this on Sunday right before the Super Bowl and was just amazed when I watched that guy "cut" 20 lbs of liquid in two days. Holy Christ, that has to be hard on the body.
Cutting weight
Cutting weight..epsecially 20lbs in a couple of days is brutal....that's why Bobby looked so gassed in the ring....also that's why he challenged Lodune, the weakest fighter on the other team.
Most guys typically cut less than 10lbs before a fight......its a select few that can cut more weight and still have the stamina and energy to fight the next day.....one of the master of cutting weight is Tito Ortiz...he regularly cuts 20+lbs before his fights......its a huge advantage to him to be able to do that and therefore fight LHW's why he walks around as a HW.
The majority of the guys on this show, when they do fight professionaly, typically fight a weight class below what they are on the show as. For instance, Kenny Florian from Team Liddell usually fights at 170lbs.
The thing to keep in mind in this show is they found the best 16 "unsigned" fighters.......there were many other better fighters contacted for the show but they were already under contract to other organizations (WFA, TKO, ROTR, KOTC), etc. Remember Bobby Southwaite has already fought in Pride (he got destroyed by Vitor Belfort).
Cutting weight..epsecially 20lbs in a couple of days is brutal....that's why Bobby looked so gassed in the ring....also that's why he challenged Lodune, the weakest fighter on the other team.
Most guys typically cut less than 10lbs before a fight......its a select few that can cut more weight and still have the stamina and energy to fight the next day.....one of the master of cutting weight is Tito Ortiz...he regularly cuts 20+lbs before his fights......its a huge advantage to him to be able to do that and therefore fight LHW's why he walks around as a HW.
The majority of the guys on this show, when they do fight professionaly, typically fight a weight class below what they are on the show as. For instance, Kenny Florian from Team Liddell usually fights at 170lbs.
The thing to keep in mind in this show is they found the best 16 "unsigned" fighters.......there were many other better fighters contacted for the show but they were already under contract to other organizations (WFA, TKO, ROTR, KOTC), etc. Remember Bobby Southwaite has already fought in Pride (he got destroyed by Vitor Belfort).
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yychobbyist
You know, I was thinking about this whole 20 lb thing and that's 2 gallons of water. That's a whole shit load of water and I can't even begin to imagine what that does to your body, let alone your mind.
