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American gun enthusiasts are constantly yelling about their second amendment rights. There is a very simple solution to the gun crisis in America. All we need is a group of Supreme Court Judges with some back bone. Revert the second amendment back to what it was when the fore-fathers passed it. EVERY American is entitled to bear his MUSKET then confiscate all other weapons before some bright soul (or US Islamic terrorist) decides that the second amendment also gives him the right to bear NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
 

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American gun enthusiasts are constantly yelling about their second amendment rights. There is a very simple solution to the gun crisis in America. All we need is a group of Supreme Court Judges with some back bone. Revert the second amendment back to what it was when the fore-fathers passed it. EVERY American is entitled to bear his MUSKET then confiscate all other weapons before some bright soul (or US Islamic terrorist) decides that the second amendment also gives him the right to bear NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
In actuality, the bill says much more than that. Correctly read, it stated:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

But as usual, interest groups only read/interpret the parts they like.
 

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The law was written when many Americans were living on the lawless frontier and had Natives to fend off. The guns back then were innacurate, took 2 minutes to reload and has as much chance of blowing up in your face as they did hitting the target.


I dont think they would have written the same law if guns gave 1 man the ability to kill dozens of people in a minute.

Other countries get on just fine without everyone owning guns and shooting each other.

The NRA solution to the lunatic school shooters is to have a delta force commando squad guard every school, arm teachers, and send kids to school in full body armour. What a bunch of morons.
 

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The law was written when many Americans were living on the lawless frontier and had Natives to fend off. The guns back then were innacurate, took 2 minutes to reload and has as much chance of blowing up in your face as they did hitting the target.


I dont think they would have written the same law if guns gave 1 man the ability to kill dozens of people in a minute.

Other countries get on just fine without everyone owning guns and shooting each other.

The NRA solution to the lunatic school shooters is to have a delta force commando squad guard every school, arm teachers, and send kids to school in full body armour. What a bunch of morons.
LOL. Funny isn't it. They suggest more guns to solve a gun problem.
 

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Many of the comments here reflect a Toronto, New York, San Francisco, Vancouver sensibility regarding firearms. If however we were discussing a Fort McMurry, Miles City, Haines Junction, Potsdam sensibility regarding firearms, the comments here would be quite different.
 

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Many of the comments here reflect a Toronto, New York, San Francisco, Vancouver sensibility regarding firearms. If however we were discussing a Fort McMurry, Miles City, Haines Junction, Potsdam sensibility regarding firearms, the comments here would be quite different.
Very true, but the problem, as I see it, is that there are just too many guns floating around down there. Sure many will argue about legal guns, but weren't many (not all, but many) illegal guns legal at one time before they ended up in illegal hands? I actually don't know how they can/should get out of this mess. The idea of arming oneself in a place that has so many guns actually makes a degree of sense.
 

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Very true, but the problem, as I see it, is that there are just too many guns floating around down there. Sure many will argue about legal guns, but weren't many (not all, but many) illegal guns legal at one time before they ended up in illegal hands? I actually don't know how they can/should get out of this mess. The idea of arming oneself in a place that has so many guns actually makes a degree of sense.
I doubt there is any country anywhere on Earth where it is really all that difficult to get an illegal firearm if you want one. Maybe some super isolated locked down dictatorship--I can imagine it being difficult in North Korea.
 

larry

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of course it makes sense. if i lived in the country where i might be seen as an easy target, for sure we'd have guns in the house. and everyone would know how to use them. in the city, we an play law of averages and hope the "bad guy" gets someone else. schools are soft targets. make them hard, and the malls are next. after that, gatherings. last, police stations. wonder why!!!
 

mjg1

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True story!

In Michigan a guy with a legal gun and CCW, shot a guy after he got into minor accident. The shooter was working as a pizza delivery, and said he felt threaten by the unarmed motorist. The guy shot didn't hit him, but was yelling and walking to pizza delivery guy's car, so he just shot him with no warning!
He didn't die, and was hit in the arm/shoulder area. It happened in the day, in a well-off part of town. I forgot what happened in the court case, but too many unstable people walking around with guns!
 

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In actuality, the bill says much more than that. Correctly read, it stated:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

But as usual, interest groups only read/interpret the parts they like.
the sacred constitution, like the holy bible , was written at a certain time in history and reflects the reality at that time. In later times, parts of it may seem ridiculous. How did slavery withstand the constitution? Should we stone homosexuals?
 

Toke

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the sacred constitution, like the holy bible , was written at a certain time in history and reflects the reality at that time. In later times, parts of it may seem ridiculous. How did slavery withstand the constitution? Should we stone homosexuals?
I agree. Here we are in 2012/2013 with people still upholding some decree written 200 years ago.
 

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In Michigan a guy with a legal gun and CCW, shot a guy after he got into minor accident. The shooter was working as a pizza delivery, and said he felt threaten by the unarmed motorist. The guy shot didn't hit him, but was yelling and walking to pizza delivery guy's car, so he just shot him with no warning!
He didn't die, and was hit in the arm/shoulder area. It happened in the day, in a well-off part of town. I forgot what happened in the court case, but too many unstable people walking around with guns!
I don't support CCW, and I would point out that there is nothing in the US Constitution or the 2nd Amendment that requires CCW. Lots of states have banned it, and those that haven't should ban it. If you want to carry a loaded gun around in a public place you should be a licensed security guard or law enforcement.

I don't support this assault weapon ban and I think it is an over-reaction, and won't help. However, limiting the number of people walking around with a loaded gun is a good idea.
 

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I don't support CCW, and I would point out that there is nothing in the US Constitution or the 2nd Amendment that requires CCW. Lots of states have banned it, and those that haven't should ban it. If you want to carry a loaded gun around in a public place you should be a licensed security guard or law enforcement.

I don't support this assault weapon ban and I think it is an over-reaction, and won't help. However, limiting the number of people walking around with a loaded gun is a good idea.
Like this crazy bitch?

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/feinste...ow-urge-arm-yourself-because-thats-what-i-did

Or this stupid dick....

http://mrctv.org/videos/harry-reid-praises-guns-2010-i-carried-gun-every-place-i-went
 

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Many of the comments here reflect a Toronto, New York, San Francisco, Vancouver sensibility regarding firearms. If however we were discussing a Fort McMurry, Miles City, Haines Junction, Potsdam sensibility regarding firearms, the comments here would be quite different.
They have marauding savages and Hessians in Fort Mac?
 

cye

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Yes and the south felt differently about slavery than the north but that doesn't mean that the other sides beliefs shouldn't be challenged.
 

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"...being necessary to the security of a free State" is the Second Amendment's operative condition.

Toke is right: "interest groups only read/interpret the parts they like".
 

blackrock13

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Didn't someone sometime back suggest putting a fence up for the homos and let them work out their problems. If they made the fence bigger and put a mot around the country, throw in some meat now and then, and let them all do the same.
 
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LMFAO, Feinstein? That's hilariously ironic and hypocritical. Your right to self defense don't end at your door step. Carrying a firearm outside of the home should be a personal choice.

As for the comments about blackpoweder muzzleloaders, by that logic; radio, television and the internet should be illegal as the US' Founding Fathers had no way to anticipate the evolution of telecommunications when they drafted the First Amendment. Anything beyond spoken word, print or courier is a twisted interpretation of freedom of speech. If we're to limit all firearms to a certain acceptable type, for the "greater good" let's start with a top-down approach and have every police constable lead by example and trade their "evil, high-capacity, semi-automatic, assault pistol" for a socially acceptable blackpowder muzzleloader.
 

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As for the comments about blackpoweder muzzleloaders, by that logic; radio, television and the internet should be illegal as the US' Founding Fathers had no way to anticipate the evolution of telecommunications when they drafted the First Amendment.
Moronic analogy.
 
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