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The US could look to Australia for some guidance. They completed a ban of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons in 1996 after a similar mass shooting incident in Tasmania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Is it just me or do others think the NRA President projects an odious image? You can't argue with his effectiveness over the years, but man, he might as well have JERK tatooed into his forehead.
 
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Moronic analogy.
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If you want to disqualify the relevance of the Second Amendment because of its age and the context of the technology at the time, surely free speech is as much of an outdated and irrelevant idea; think of how many sensitive ears and emotions could be saved if people didn't have the right to say anything which may be perceived as offensive to someone, somewhere.

Just as with right to free speech, the right to self defense comes with risks; acceptable risks.
 
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train said:
The US could look to Australia for some guidance. They completed a ban of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons in 1996 after a similar mass shooting incident in Tasmania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Is it just me or do others think the NRA President projects an odious image? You can't argue with his effectiveness over the years, but man, he might as well have JERK tatooed into his forehead.
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Train, on this we a gree, but might I suggest branding. I posted a thread from someone who said even many of the gun owner, NRA members and Republicans are embarrassing. Unfortunately it required the ability to concentrate and read a substantial article, so most members probably didn't bother reading it.
 
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train said:
The US could look to Australia for some guidance. They completed a ban of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons in 1996 after a similar mass shooting incident in Tasmania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Is it just me or do others think the NRA President projects an odious image? You can't argue with his effectiveness over the years, but man, he might as well have JERK tatooed into his forehead.
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he should have thought a bit more before speaking. his could have been the voice of reason in this debate. first cover the problem. then give a few options on what the goal is. then the cost and possibility of success. there will always be nutty people. and new ones every day. the school incident that sparked the current debate is probably impossible to prevent. the guy went fruity. he took his mother's guns. if the law didn't allow her to have those guns, she'd have something more powerful. he also had several weapons.
so far, all the talk is posturing. none of the solutions proposed would have made any difference in the Newtown shooting. so, what to do? firstly, come up with a clear goal. not just some wishy-washy vote-gathering thought like "stop the killing".
 
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train said:
The US could look to Australia for some guidance. They completed a ban of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons in 1996 after a similar mass shooting incident in Tasmania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Is it just me or do others think the NRA President projects an odious image? You can't argue with his effectiveness over the years, but man, he might as well have JERK tatooed into his forehead.
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Australia didn't have a pandemic mass shootings either, if anything, Australia is an example of a knee-jerk policy to a statistical anomaly (mass shooting) that didn't really affect things one way or another.
 
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mjg1 said:
In Michigan a guy with a legal gun and CCW, shot a guy after he got into minor accident. The shooter was working as a pizza delivery, and said he felt threaten by the unarmed motorist. The guy shot didn't hit him, but was yelling and walking to pizza delivery guy's car, so he just shot him with no warning!
He didn't die, and was hit in the arm/shoulder area. It happened in the day, in a well-off part of town. I forgot what happened in the court case, but too many unstable people walking around with guns!
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I heard a cop in British Columbia kicked a compliant, handcuffed subject in the face once, too many unstable people walking around with guns and badges.
 
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cunning linguist said:
If you want to disqualify the relevance of the Second Amendment because of its age and the context of the technology at the time, surely free speech is as much of an outdated and irrelevant idea; think of how many sensitive ears and emotions could be saved if people didn't have the right to say anything which may be perceived as offensive to someone, somewhere.

Just as with right to free speech, the right to self defense comes with risks; acceptable risks.
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So the Newtown shooter was defending himself from seven year olds? Try to stay relevant; nothing about the current debate has anything to do with self-defence.
 
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Train, on this we a gree, but might I suggest branding. I posted a thread from someone who said even many of the gun owner, NRA members and Republicans are embarrassing. Unfortunately it required the ability to concentrate and read a substantial article, so most members probably didn't bother reading it.
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Branding is cruel and unusual. Manadtory DayGlo pink T-shirts with the "Warning Concealed Carry Gun Owner' would do better, and would deter bad guys—whoever they are. Although not likely loony bad guys who are all NRA Guy LaPierre seems to think are any danger.
 
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So the Newtown shooter was defending himself from seven year olds? Try to stay relevant; nothing about the current debate has anything to do with self-defence.
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Can you pull (not invent) the quote where I said "the Newton shooter was defending himself from seven year olds"? Try to stay coherent, the Alzheimer's may be getting to you in your old age.
 
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oldjones said:
Branding is cruel and unusual. Manadtory DayGlo pink T-shirts with the "Warning Concealed Carry Gun Owner' would do better, and would deter bad guys—whoever they are. Although not likely loony bad guys who are all NRA Guy LaPierre seems to think are any danger.
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Can we mandate it so people like you have to post lawn signs in front of your house and wear t-shirts that say "Easy target, pick me!"
 
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Can we mandate it so people like you have to post lawn signs in front of your house and wear t-shirts that say "Easy target, pick me!"
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I'm just waiting for the NRA to suggest using turrets and machine gun nests on all school entrances. Maybe if they sandbag off the entrances, put in some concrete barriers and barbed wire for the kiddies safety then hand out grenades to all the teachers we'd have the safe and loving schools we know that the NRA is really after.
 
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Here we go again. Just proving the point I made earlier in this thread.

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In actuality, the bill says much more than that. Correctly read, it stated:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

But as usual, interest groups only read/interpret the parts they like.
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The Second Amendment says, in plain English, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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Why not use the entire sentence? You only quoted the part that you like. So now justify the current situation after reading the whole thing.
 
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I'm just waiting for the NRA to suggest using turrets and machine gun nests on all school entrances. Maybe if they sandbag off the entrances, put in some concrete barriers and barbed wire for the kiddies safety then hand out grenades to all the teachers we'd have the safe and loving schools we know that the NRA is really after.
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How would the kids get in? Or out for that matter. :biggrin1:
 
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Toke said:
Here we go again. Just proving the point I made earlier in this thread.

Why not use the entire sentence? You only quoted the part that you like. So now justify the current situation after reading the whole thing.
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The USSC has agreed with his reading, which is unfortunate, but they did. The reason for granting the right does not limit the right, is the way the SC interpreted it.

It will take an amendment to change it. That said there is much that can done. Like background checks, safety training, safe storage, and eliminating concealed carry, that does not infringe the right to keep and bear arms.
 
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