LMAO...... I just heard on the news right now that 16 speed cameras have been cut down in the city over the last 5 days. 
Vandals have taken down the Parkside Drive speed camera in Toronto for the third time in recent weeks
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Ummmmmm, Toronto doesn't have ambulances like that. LOLThe red truck is an ambulance, is it not??
These are the vehicles TPS use. They have a much narrower track that would be affected by those fancy speed bumps.
Good.
Abra cadabra, presto and shazzam!
You have just demonstrated that speed cameras meet the objectives for which they have been designed for.
Thank you, squeezy.
You're medulla is quite oblongata.SMH!
As I stated, "20 over on a 30, or a 40 or a 50 or a 60 or even a 70 or a 80 kph road is an open invitation kill, maim, dismember and destroy."
It's been proven that not only is the above true but also that speed cameras meet the objectives for which they have been utilized for.
If you wanna go ahead and advocate for killing maiming, dismembering and destroying by going 20kph over posted speed limits, go ahead bucko.
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Really?
Seriously?
Is that your argument?
I don't believe that I have stated that a speed camera would have stopped that lunatic on Parkside Dr.
I mean you, BikeLaneMonitorBoy, certainly do make "lunacy" based arguments quite your stock and trade and wear them like badges of proud accomplishment.
BUT, if you actually believe that going 20 over a 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 , 80kph zone doesn't caused serious collisions, then you have more cognitive dissonance than I previously diagnosed you had.
Is 3 motor vehicle caused collisions a week, for 52 weeks a year, for 10 years and running on Parkside Dr. not enough evidence of reality for you?
Are you really disconnected from reality?
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Just stay in your lane and maybe, just maybe you might actually try to do your job without failing so miserably.More Toronto speed cameras were found damaged on Tuesday morning, only two days after the Parkside Drive speed camera was cut down for the seventh time in less than a year.
In an email to CBC, Toronto police confirmed 16 speed cameras were damaged overnight throughout the city. They said officers are investigating, but provided no further details.
Some of the damaged speed cameras include the two found cut down on O'Connor Drive, west of Coxwell Avenue, and Lake Shore Boulevard, just west of Woodbine Avenue
Coun. Brad Bradford posted a picture on social media on Tuesday showing the cut down speed camera on Lake Shore Boulevard.
"This is unacceptable. The perpetual struggle to keep these cameras up is becoming a joke," Bradford wrote.
Speaking with reporters Tuesday, Premier Doug Ford said he is against the speed cameras and called them a "tax grab."
He said Toronto should get rid of all of the cameras, just like Vaughan did.
A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said they are aware that multiple speed cameras were vandalized overnight and are asking anyone with information to contact the police. (Paul Smith/CBC)
"Get rid of the speed cameras or I'm going to do it," said Ford.
Ford told reporters that he is "all about public safety," but that he's against taxes brought on by people's deaths.
"If you want to slow down traffic at school, you put the big huge signs, big flashing lights, crossing area, people will slow down," he said. "Why don't we put a police officer with a radar gun there every once in a while?"
NDP Leader Marit Stiles scoffed when she heard the premier's comments.
"What an idiotic thing to say," she said.
The cameras are about trying to ensure road safety, aside from the issue of municipal revenue generation, Stiles said.
"I think that if you're speeding, you should stop speeding, because kids are going to get killed and pedestrians get killed, and nobody, nobody wants to hurt anyone," she said.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the City of Toronto said they are aware that multiple speed cameras were vandalized overnight and are asking anyone with information to contact the police.
"The City of Toronto condemns all vandalism of these speed cameras. Damaging these devices allows dangerous speeding to continue and undermines the safety of vulnerable road users, as all ASE devices are located in Community Safety Zones such as near schools, playgrounds and hospitals," said Laura McQuillan.
McQuillan said the city is working with police on solutions to prevent future incidents of vandalism.
So far this year, the City of Toronto has imposed about $45.1 million in speed camera fines, McQuillan said, adding that in April, the city doubled the number of speed camera devices from 75 to 150.
She said the city does not own any of the cameras as they are a vendor-provided service, and there is no cost to the city, and no additional taxpayer dollars are spent when a speed camera is damaged, as this is built into the contract with the vendor.
16 Toronto speed cameras damaged overnight, as Ford urges city to do away with 'tax grab'
20 kph over in an 80 kph zone is what most people drive most of the time. It's hardly reckless.
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Why don't they just build tall fences around the speed cameras or wrap them with concrete.
But I guess they just love collecting the speeding fines to pay for the Viagara which is free benefit for city staff, or give the councillers bid raises or buy more truck to sit around doing nothing to
keep the parking lots occupied. Also mayor Chow needs more new dresses to go to TIFF events.
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But I guess they just love collecting the speeding fines to pay for the Viagara which is free benefit for city staff, or give the councillers bid raises or buy more truck to sit around doing nothing to
keep the parking lots occupied. Also mayor Chow needs more new dresses to go to TIFF events.
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It's the wild, wild west out there.
Outlaws have taken over the roads and do as they please with impunity.
The city and residents like to use the death of elderly couple as justification for the speed camera, as if somehow the speed camera would've prevented it.
Speed alone doesn't "cause" collisions, but it can be a contributing factor that increases the likelihood of a crash and the severity of the impact. Higher speeds increase stopping distances, and make it harder to control a vehicle, all of which elevate the risk of losing control. There's also a lot of very shitty drivers on the road. Lessons are often very poor and aren't even mandatory. The driver's test is way too easy to pass as well. But that's a whole other topic.
Now when we're talking about speeding on Parkside, remember the speed limit has dropped from 50 to 40 km/h. So now the camera will hand out a speeding ticket to every vehicle traveling 1 km/h over the old posted limit. It's also located on a downhill grade with no houses, no driveways, very few intersections and for the most part, no sidewalk along the entire west side of the roadway. So the reason that camera rakes in the $$$, is a combination of the downhill grade, the configuration of the roadway and its surroundings, very few stoplights, two lanes wide and no parked cars.
Roadways have their own natural speed limit whereby the vast majority of drivers travel at. It's called the 85th percentile driving speed, which is the speed at or below which 85% of drivers travel on a road during free-flowing conditions, serving as the "operating speed" and a basis for setting speed limits that drivers accept as reasonable. This speed is calculated by measuring traffic speeds with roadside devices, assuming most drivers are prudent, and is a standard traffic engineering metric used to identify unsafe speed limits or road design issues. When you reduce the calculated speed limit by say, 10 or 20 km/h, you will naturally catch a lot of "speeders" as is the case on that section of Parkside.
There's a reason they haven't set up a camera on the northbound side, because it's nothing like the southbound part and it wouldn't generate $$$.
They'll have to come up with other ways to slow drivers down. The speed camera rakes in lots of money, due to reducing the limit, but is not effective in slowing drivers down due to the design of the roadway.
For the record, I like to drive fast, but I rarely do more than 10 over in the city unless it's an open road where I have a good line of sight and it's safe to do so. I save the 240 km/h speeds for the racetrack. I also haven't had a single traffic violation or collision in over 30 years.
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Not really, as soon as I passed the all clear sign, VRRRRRROOOOOM, i quickly went to 75km...
Just curious, do you own a car? If the answer is yes, do you drive on the 400 series highways at 100km in non heavy traffic?
Amby has frequently posted photos of how evil and awful cars are. I believe he only cycles and probably lives within a km of his work and social network.Not really, as soon as I passed the all clear sign, VRRRRRROOOOOM, i quickly went to 75km...
Just curious, do you own a car? If the answer is yes, do you drive on the 400 series highways at 100km in non heavy traffic?
I doubt he even takes transit as he claims - comically - that Toronto has an adequate transit system.
These guys should executed at the scene of the crime by a crossbow arrow hit !
Alternatively, use drones to shoot and neutralize the perpetrators !
The technology exists ok !
Alternatively, use drones to shoot and neutralize the perpetrators !
The technology exists ok !
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I'm way ahead of you, bro
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Just the facts ma'am:
Studies indicate speed cameras accomplish the objectives for which they have been employed to achieve.
Research from the Hospital for Sick Children released this summer showed Toronto drivers sped 45 per cent less after a camera was installed, and the cameras were most effective against the fastest drivers.
The number of drivers going 10 kilometres or more over the limit dropped by 74 per cent, the study found. The number of drivers going 15 kilometres or more over decreased by 84 per cent, and the number of those going 20 kilometres or more over dropped by 88 per cent.
According to the Canadian Association of Road Safety Professionals, nearly a quarter of fatal collisions in Canada involved speeding. Meanwhile, a pedestrian is about five times more likely to die in a collision when a car is travelling at 50 km/h instead of 30 km/h, a 2009 Swedish study found.
Hey lady, your slip is showing:
Studies indicate speed cameras accomplish the objectives for which they have been employed to achieve.
Research from the Hospital for Sick Children released this summer showed Toronto drivers sped 45 per cent less after a camera was installed, and the cameras were most effective against the fastest drivers.
The number of drivers going 10 kilometres or more over the limit dropped by 74 per cent, the study found. The number of drivers going 15 kilometres or more over decreased by 84 per cent, and the number of those going 20 kilometres or more over dropped by 88 per cent.
According to the Canadian Association of Road Safety Professionals, nearly a quarter of fatal collisions in Canada involved speeding. Meanwhile, a pedestrian is about five times more likely to die in a collision when a car is travelling at 50 km/h instead of 30 km/h, a 2009 Swedish study found.
Stop ur bellyaching buttercup, it's very unladylike of u.
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Also, try to stay on topic of this thread, strayboy, lest you wander like a lost stray cat onto Parkside Dr. and get squished flat by an indignant, 'laws-don't-apply-to-me' 20kph over the speed limit moronic motorist. Oh wait, you just did get squished and splayed out on the tar now.
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For all the whiny snowflakes, buttercups and cupcakes who cry, "These speed cameras are nothing but a CASH GRAB! An unfair tax on law abiding motorists who are fined for going just a km or two over the posted speed limit!!":
These incessant whiners claim that the cameras are holding drivers to a far harsher standard than a police officer with a radar gun — and are intended to just generate as much fine revenue as possible.
But oh dear buttercups, the evidence based on data, prove 2 things. 1) your fictious claims, no doubt pulled straight out of your arses, are patently absurd and hallucinatory and 2) your bona fides as whiny snowflakes and cupcakes have been firmly paved into the tarred roadway.
Parkside Drive:
speed data collected by Toronto city hall’s transportation department suggests the number of tickets issued by the camera is a small fraction of the tickets it could be.
In other words, if this camera is supposed to be a cash grab, it’s doing a pretty lousy job of grabbing up cash.
Here’s what the math says: During a traffic count conducted between Tuesday, April 29 and Thursday, May 1 this year, the city recorded an average speed of 39.6 km/h. Since the speed limit on Parkside is 40 km/h, that’s good news. The “average driver” is a law-abiding driver.
But there were still lots of speedsters. The city’s data says about 15 per cent of cars were going about seven kilometre an hour or more above the limit. About five per cent of cars were going 12 kilometres an hour or more above the limit.
During this traffic count, the city recorded daily volumes of 27,077 cars. In a hypothetical world where the machines were enforcing 24/7 — the city has said sometimes the machines stop issuing tickets to manage volumes — and some drivers weren’t using illegal plate covers to fool the machines, the cameras would be snapping a lot more often.
If every one of the cars exceeding the speed limit by at least seven kilometres an hour got hit with a ticket, the cameras would be writing more than 4,000 tickets a day, or well over 100,000 tickets a month. Limit the tickets to only the five per cent or so going about 12 over, and they’d be issuing about 1,300 tickets a day, or about 40,000 a month.
Let’s switch back to reality now. The most tickets ever issued in a single month by the Parkside drive camera? Just 3,586, in April 2022 — the very first month it was active. Setting aside the months where vandals with power saws screwed with the data, the camera has averaged about 2,000 tickets per month over its 40-plus months of service.
The real numbers are not even in the same universe as the hypotheticals. They suggest that most months, only about five per cent of speeding cars are getting tickets. Maybe less.
And the cash city hall is supposedly grabbing with these cameras is mostly being left on the table. The city has stated that the average fine for a ticket camera infraction is $107.32. That means, in a world where it was logistically possible to issue tickets to every driver clocked over the limit, city hall could have generated more than $500 million from this single camera alone.
Across all 150 cameras in the city, the maximum cash-grabbiest approach could literally generate billions of dollars — enough to finance a new subway line, spruce up every park in the city and maybe even install a giant solid gold raccoon statue at the foot of Yonge Street.
But it’s clear from the data that the intent of the program is not to fund golden idols. Contrary to what some critics believe, there is indeed an undisclosed threshold programmed into the cameras before tickets are issued. They don’t just ticket cars going a click or two over the speed limit. And the city says every photo is reviewed by a provincial offences officer before the ticket is confirmed, so there’s still some human discretion.
And while the data doesn’t really support calling this program a cash grab, it is clear about one thing: this program makes streets safer. Average speeds on Parkside are down more than 10 kilometres an hour since the camera was installed. And a recent study by the Hospital for Sick Children confirmed the city’s automated enforcement program reduced speeds and the proportion of aggressive driving.
These cameras aren’t here to grab cash. They’re here to stop crashes. And they seem to be doing a pretty decent job at that.
STOP YOUR WHINING LADIES ANDA SHADDUPA U FACE! Your pansies are showing.
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