Vatican Transvestite Scandal

[rld]

Touchdown for Kurt Vonnegut on this one.

How about you substitute seeing escorts for churches in KV's quote? Do not some people see escorts to avoid loneliness?

Is there something wrong or negative about seeking companionship or community?

I say he is wide right on that one.

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Touchdown for Kurt Vonnegut on this one.

Indeed.

 

[train]

I think you totally misunderstand where the Cardinals heads are at these days. The problem with pedo priests has been dropping like a stone since about 1985. It is a historical problem, not one that is going on at the moment. .

Still got the blinders on rid I see.

There is still plenty of evidenced that the Church still doesn't "get it".

Support groups for victims of paedophile priests in the United States, Belgium and Ireland say Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony as well as former Philadelphia Archbishop Justin Francis Rigali, Belgian Cardinal Godfried Danneels and Ireland's Sean Brady should be barred from voting because of their records in the scandals.

Unbelievable really, that these thugs and criminals should continue to have a say. If they weren't high-ranking officials of the Church they would be in jail, but they still get a vote.

Guess you missed all the recent goings on with Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles. He was covering up for over 100 pedo priests. ( That is just in California and perhaps just in the Los Angeles diocese !) Only recently relieved of most of his duties, are you tring to imply that most of these crimes occured prior to 1985? Sorry but I'm thinking you got brainwashed somewhere along the line.

In January 2013 The New York Times editorialized: "No member of the Roman Catholic hierarchy fought longer and more energetically than Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles to conceal the decades-long scandal involving the rape and intimidation of children by rogue priests. For years, the cardinal withheld seamy church records from parents, victims and the public, brandishing endless litigation and fatuous claims of confidentiality."

Not that the Curch has apparently learned anything from the scandal as all these discraced Cardinals will still be casting a votes to elect the new pope.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ardinal-mahony-will-help-select-new-pope.html

Then, of course there is Cardinal Dolan

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Popes_On_The_lam

It never seems to end.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Check my post on a documentary that I saw on TIFF. You will be able to see it on CBC's The Passionate Eye Saturday March 2nd, 2013.

 

[rld]

Cardinal O'Brien has resigned. Still "pretty light weight allegations" eh?

I note you did not provide the link. Did you read the article?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/world/europe/vatican-archbishop-resigns/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

He submitted his resignation months ago, and was already due to step down on St. Paddy's day. Long before the allegations were made.

So far we have no named victims, and no evidence. None.

Is that what you call a "heavy weight allegation?".

 

[rld]

Guess you missed all the recent goings on with Cardinal Mahoney of Los Angeles. He was covering up for over 100 pedo priests. ( That is just in California and perhaps just in the Los Angeles diocese !) Only recently relieved of most of his duties, are you tring to imply that most of these crimes occured prior to 1985? Sorry but I'm thinking you got brainwashed somewhere along the line.

Still got the hate on I see.

When did the police charge Mahony again? What has he been convicted of?

And yes...the vast majority of the Mahony-related cases took place a long time a go. In fact many of the settlements on cases he has done involve allegations as far back as the 1940's. The O'grady cases stretch to 1991 or so, but Mahony's involvement ended around 1987.

As I stated the rate of sex abuse cases in the RC church has dropped like a stone since about 1985. Whether you like it or not.

While there is lots of media attention and litigation now...the number of new cases is low.

Although there were reported acts of sexual abuse of minors in every year, the incidence of reported abuse increased by several orders of magnitude in the 1960s and 1970s. There was, for example, a more than sixfold increase in the number of reported acts of abuse of males aged 11 to 17 between the 1950s and the 1970s. After peaking in the 1970s, the number of incidents in the report decreased through the 1980s and 1990s even more sharply than the incidence rate had increased in the 1960s and 1970s

 

[rld]

So it is a coincidence that his resignation has been accepted just when 4 of his victims speak to a reporter? And his scheduled participation in the papal conclave has now been cancelled. You behave like the proverbial ostrich. Just keep sticking your head in sand.

Let's get the facts straight. His resignation was accepted months ago with his official retirement date being St. Paddy's day.

It is no coincidence that he has advanced his last day of official service now that there are anonymous allegations from one newspaper with no supporting evidence or any names. He has stepped down so the next guy can do the job without the distractions of these allegations.

You may think I am an ostrich, but at least I am honest in dealing with these issues. The abuse of human beings is a serious topic, it would be appropriate for one to stick to the facts in these sorts of matters, rather than trying to twist them or report them falsely.

And you agree with me that so far, there are no names for these victims and no evidence for this alleged abuse?

 

[cye]

For me it has nothing to do with either faith or salvation, that is a theological argument, and as an agnostic I don't engage in those.

What I look out, out of interest's sake, is how institutions work on a practical basis. We all would like there to be no abuse of children anywhere. Unfortunately that is unlikely to happen. Anytime, ever. So we have to look at how well either institutions and individuals deal with preventing abuse, what they do with it when it happens, and what they do to help the victims.

Up until the mid 80's or early 90's the RC church was doing very poorly on those measures. Since then they have turned the ship around. The rates of abuse in the RC church are now lower than other comparable organizations. That is the only real way to set the bar. Other than the dreamed of "no abuse", in the real world we can just compare them to other organizations.

But they you are free to look at how the media or popular culture looks at the issue. Despite the fact that public schools now see a documented higher rate of abuse than the RC church (perhaps 3X higher and involving way more children in absolute numbers), do we see the same public outcry? And if not why not?

Kurt Vonnegut was a bright enough fellow, and if one of the functions a religion provides is to give people community, what is wrong with that? Why is it a negative? Is the life of the lonely monk better than that of the congregant? If I join a camera club, or a soccer supporter's club, or a yoga class for community, is there something wrong with that?

He also uses the false dichotomy of reason vs. religion. While some of our more recent culture warriors (on both sides of the equation) use that approach, both research, reason and most doctrines show it is not true. A recent large study at MIT of all places tells us that most religions in the United States are not suggesting evolution is not taking place (I think the split was 89-11). But the radicals on both sides want to paint a false picture. Some of the great scientific and religious minds of the 20th century have pointed out that there is no real historic conflict between religion and science, (Gould, Einstein, John Paul !!, Benedict, I could go on), but some people gain both personal institutional profit from promoting this phony war.

Feel free to join the phony war and be a pop cultural follower. But if you dig a little deeper I don't think that is what you will find.

I don't believe for Vonnegut it was reason versus religion, he pretty much said that no matter how we approached our lives it was inevitable we would make a mess out of our world. His answer to this was to try and laugh as it made disappointment bearable. His vision of how we should behave was compatible with religion he just despised the certainty of those who thought they had a special dispensation to stop asking questions. Did this make him any happier, in the end probably not but it didn't stop him from laughing at himself.

 

[lomotil]

The Catholic Church has for centuries been a haven for sodomites and pedophiles masquerading as priests. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[blackrock13]

The Catholic Church has for centuries been a haven for sodomites and pedophiles masquerading as priests. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Sodomites? What a victorian words. Of course you have no numbers to support this?

The ones that get exposed, hit the headlines. As shown in previous threads, there is no proof that there are more pedophiles in the church than there is in the general public. As for homosexuality, considering the way they've been treated in society in the past and still are today in some quarters, it's no surprise they found refuge in the walls of the church. That they also find comfort among others of their ilk is also no surprise. Here the rub, just because one is a homosexual, doesn't mean one is automatically a pedophile.

 

[lomotil]

Some of these Catholic Priests are also heretics as well.

Sodomites? What a victorian words. Of course you have no numbers to support this?

The ones that get exposed, hit the headlines. As shown in previous threads, there is no proof that there are more pedophiles in the church than there is in the general public. As for homosexuality, considering the way they've been treated in society in the past and still are today in some quarters, it's no surprise they found refuge in the walls of the church. That they also find comfort among others of their ilk is also no surprise. Here the rub, just because one is a homosexual, doesn't mean one is automatically a pedophile.

 

[whitewaterguy]

Sodomites? What a victorian words. Of course you have no numbers to support this?

The ones that get exposed, hit the headlines. As shown in previous threads, there is no proof that there are more pedophiles in the church than there is in the general public. As for homosexuality, considering the way they've been treated in society in the past and still are today in some quarters, it's no surprise they found refuge in the walls of the church. That they also find comfort among others of their ilk is also no surprise. Here the rub, just because one is a homosexual, doesn't mean one is automatically a pedophile.

well if they are not all sodomites, then for sure they are all cum slurping cocksuckers.....much like yourself...still polishing your boy scout badges, or pre-occuupied watching War Horse for the 123'd time?

 

[blackrock13]

well if they are not all sodomites, then for sure they are all cum slurping cocksuckers.....much like yourself...still polishing your boy scout badges, or pre-occuupied watching War Horse for the 123'd time?

Classic useless post from WWG. Back in you crate mutley.

 

[blackrock13]

Some of these Catholic Priests are also heretics as well.

Any names come to mind?

 

[SchlongConery]

Sodomites? What a victorian words. Of course you have no numbers to support this?

The ones that get exposed, hit the headlines. As shown in previous threads, there is no proof that there are more pedophiles in the church than there is in the general public. As for homosexuality, considering the way they've been treated in society in the past and still are today in some quarters, it's no surprise they found refuge in the walls of the church. That they also find comfort among others of their ilk is also no surprise. Here the rub, just because one is a homosexual, doesn't mean one is automatically a pedophile.

Aren't you the old geezer who uses words like "Mutley" and "shite" in your defence of men entrusted to uphold laws, protect the weak and represent God who instead beat, anally rape and force them to suck their dicks?

If you had any shame...

 

[blackrock13]

Aren't you the old geezer who uses words like "Mutley" and "shite" in your defence of men entrusted to uphold laws, protect the weak and represent God who instead beat, anally rape and force them to suck their dicks?

If you had any shame...

I only use Mutley in reference to WWG, nowhere else. As for 'shite', the only person who ever made a fuss over that word was Rubmeister and it was shown to a proper word. I was suspecting you were him, especially after you started post your family album photos and referring to Sergeant Blackrock, a long time put to bed tag, definitely well before you joining TERB.

How's it hanging Rubbie? Just couldn't stay away. Anyone remember his sanctimonious goodbye?

 

[SchlongConery]

I only use Mutley in reference to WWG, nowhere else. As for 'shite', the only person who ever made a fuss over that word was Rubmeister and it was shown to a proper word. I was suspecting you were him, especially after you started post your family album photos and referring to Sergeant Blackrock, a long time put to bed tag, definitely well before you joining TERB.

How's it hanging Rubbie? Just couldn't stay away. Anyone remember his sanctimonious goodbye?

Sorry Detective blackrock 13 but I was around long before rubmeister but forgot my handle and password when I decided to get back into posting after I broke my shoulder skiiing over New Years. I also decided I wanted a completely fresh start and a fresh personality as an agent provocateur. I think I had around 200 wimpy posts over ten years.

But I observed you and the usual characters including rubmeister. Funny that some people found rubbie abrasive as I did but I found his posts were hard to predict. But everyone who comments on you has the same opinion that you are a sanctimonius dickwad. Why is it that guys like you and rockslinger and ceiling cat are universally despised for the smae reasons. Yet you persist?

I missed rubmeisters goodby. I can't find any posts by him so perhaps you can enlighten me as to my history.

 

[blackrock13]

Sorry Detective blackrock 13 but I was around long before rubmeister but forgot my handle and password when I decided to get back into posting after I broke my shoulder skiiing over New Years. I also decided I wanted a completely fresh start and a fresh personality as an agent provocateur. I think I had around 200 wimpy posts over ten years.

But I observed you and the usual characters including rubmeister. Funny that some people found rubbie abrasive as I did but I found his posts were hard to predict. But everyone who comments on you has the same opinion that you are a sanctimonius dickwad. Why is it that guys like you and rockslinger and ceiling cat are universally despised for the smae reasons. Yet you persist?

I missed rubmeisters goodby. I can't find any posts by him so perhaps you can enlighten me as to my history.

Riiiiight! Another 'I forgot my handle'.

You're just another retread that doesn't want others to know or remember your past persona, perhaps a 'sanctimonious dickwad' of the first degree, but clearly, in your own words, an agent provocateur (we need more of those don't we), and just hoping for fresh start. As for why I think you are Rubbie, it has already been pointed out; too much of a coincidence.

 

[whitewaterguy]

Riiiiight! Another 'I forgot my handle'.

You're just another retread that doesn't want others to know or remember your past persona, perhaps a 'sanctimonious dickwad' of the first degree, but clearly, in your own words, an agent provocateur (we need more of those don't we), and just hoping for fresh start. As for why I think you are Rubbie, it has already been pointed out; too much of a coincidence.

universally despised... fits well for you. I like it

 

[blackrock13]

universally despised... fits well for you. I like it

.... but hey wrong. Not to mention quoting the wrong post. You really are trying too hard. Back in your crate.