Wasn't it just a pleasure to see Jalen and the rest of the Raptors give Carter an education last night? If nothing else gets accomplished this year, at least they beat that prick.
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Not really....b/c in the end the raptors still suck and they will be bad for a very long time
the GM and coach are useless tools, they made the raptors more of a joke in the league since they've been hired
while in New Jersey, they are a play-off caliber team once their star player gets healthy, plus they will have cap space next year and they still have 2 additional number 1 picks in the future....and I think Jay Z is buying the team so he can move it to Brooklyn....which will attract alot of players
so Vince carter and the Nets have a bright future while the raptors are on their way to replace the Hawks and clippers as the worst club in the NBA to play for
the GM and coach are useless tools, they made the raptors more of a joke in the league since they've been hired
while in New Jersey, they are a play-off caliber team once their star player gets healthy, plus they will have cap space next year and they still have 2 additional number 1 picks in the future....and I think Jay Z is buying the team so he can move it to Brooklyn....which will attract alot of players
so Vince carter and the Nets have a bright future while the raptors are on their way to replace the Hawks and clippers as the worst club in the NBA to play for
I don't think the glass was ever even half-full....based on the raptors' history....it seems the team is run by the scarecrow from the wizard of OZn_v said:
they can't keep one star player
they can't hire one sane coach
the future is Bosh, If I'm Bosh...what do I look forward to being a raptor...my third coach in my 3 years....a point guard who can't shoot but shoots first anyway....a GM who will never come close to bringing a championship to TO....if I'm Bosh I look forward to leaving the raptors in 3 years when my contract is up
shaddup...
wrong hole, nice to see you supporting the raptors! fans like you, are more of wha the raps need...
new jersey has a bright future? give vince time, he will show his true colors. in fact, if you watched the game last nite, it was his career, in 2 halves. 1st half, came out with alot of hops, alot of flair, showed a little, but not much accomplished. second half, going got tough, and when he should have stepped up and took control, as most stars do, he tucked tail and got soft, as we here in toronto, were way too accustomed to seeing. this guy is a puke! did you see him after the game, playing with jalen? he should have been pissed they lost as bad as they did, yet, he was more concerned with goofing around. "stars" put in the time, they go that extra mile, they buckle down when the going gets tough, they play through pain, and they lead by example. vince does none of this. he was born with alot of pure talent, but, he relies on it too much, without working hard. yup, give him a year or so, he'll show up, the same old wince.
for the rest of jersey, jason kidd is great, but that is it. and this team defensively, makes the raps look good. if kenyon martin were still around, i'd tend to agree with you, otherwise, nope. it is still just kidd and jefferson, and that didnt do much for them this year, when they both played.
give the raps some credit....remember when vince was at the draft lottery for the raps, the look on his face when the raps got number 4. he insisted the raps deal the pick for proven help. then when they drafted bosh, he really never wanted to give him a chance? hmmmmm....i'll go as far as to say, when all is said and done, bosh will have a better NBA career, and make much more of an impact wherever he plays, than vince will have made. who says he is leaving anyways? i think chris would surprise you, he doesnt whine about paying for a winner, blah-blah. he recognizes the challenges here, as well as the opportunity that is present for him here. he'll be around for quite sometime. ask the pistons about that can't-miss darko guy?
matt bonner will be a serviceable player in this league. araujo is not as bad as he has been made out to be, give him time. jalen is actually improving as an all-around player, i totally give him his due. donyell would be nice to keep, if he committed to TO, otherwise, get the best package you can get raps. alston should be dealt, or bought out, and bring in a real point guard, either through trade, free agency or draft. same goes for a big man, they dearly need one.
as for babcock, he really had his hands tied with vince carter. carter quit on the team, and the organization, which made it hard for the raps to get anything of consequence for him. great thanks for the millions the raps paid you, maggott. i dont know if he could have done beter. signing rafer doesnt look good, but, what can you say, every team has made bad signings along the way. drafting araujo, book is still out on that one, but, babcock identified a need for the raps, and tried to address it.
as for sam mitchell, good to see a coach stand up to these overpaid pussies. you go sam! raps will be better for it in the long run.
Plyrs99
wrong hole, nice to see you supporting the raptors! fans like you, are more of wha the raps need...
new jersey has a bright future? give vince time, he will show his true colors. in fact, if you watched the game last nite, it was his career, in 2 halves. 1st half, came out with alot of hops, alot of flair, showed a little, but not much accomplished. second half, going got tough, and when he should have stepped up and took control, as most stars do, he tucked tail and got soft, as we here in toronto, were way too accustomed to seeing. this guy is a puke! did you see him after the game, playing with jalen? he should have been pissed they lost as bad as they did, yet, he was more concerned with goofing around. "stars" put in the time, they go that extra mile, they buckle down when the going gets tough, they play through pain, and they lead by example. vince does none of this. he was born with alot of pure talent, but, he relies on it too much, without working hard. yup, give him a year or so, he'll show up, the same old wince.
for the rest of jersey, jason kidd is great, but that is it. and this team defensively, makes the raps look good. if kenyon martin were still around, i'd tend to agree with you, otherwise, nope. it is still just kidd and jefferson, and that didnt do much for them this year, when they both played.
give the raps some credit....remember when vince was at the draft lottery for the raps, the look on his face when the raps got number 4. he insisted the raps deal the pick for proven help. then when they drafted bosh, he really never wanted to give him a chance? hmmmmm....i'll go as far as to say, when all is said and done, bosh will have a better NBA career, and make much more of an impact wherever he plays, than vince will have made. who says he is leaving anyways? i think chris would surprise you, he doesnt whine about paying for a winner, blah-blah. he recognizes the challenges here, as well as the opportunity that is present for him here. he'll be around for quite sometime. ask the pistons about that can't-miss darko guy?
matt bonner will be a serviceable player in this league. araujo is not as bad as he has been made out to be, give him time. jalen is actually improving as an all-around player, i totally give him his due. donyell would be nice to keep, if he committed to TO, otherwise, get the best package you can get raps. alston should be dealt, or bought out, and bring in a real point guard, either through trade, free agency or draft. same goes for a big man, they dearly need one.
as for babcock, he really had his hands tied with vince carter. carter quit on the team, and the organization, which made it hard for the raps to get anything of consequence for him. great thanks for the millions the raps paid you, maggott. i dont know if he could have done beter. signing rafer doesnt look good, but, what can you say, every team has made bad signings along the way. drafting araujo, book is still out on that one, but, babcock identified a need for the raps, and tried to address it.
as for sam mitchell, good to see a coach stand up to these overpaid pussies. you go sam! raps will be better for it in the long run.
Plyrs99
Actually I don't know if you noticed...Carter was grabbing his glass knee late in the first half and thru most of the third quarter. The old Wince will be back - that you can be sure of.
Actually Hoffa looked good last night - specially that no look behind the back bounce pass to a streaking cutter under the basket. I was always a fan of Hoffa, I saw quite a few games he played in college. I think more minutes and a bit more seasoning; he could be a force in the middle.
Actually Hoffa looked good last night - specially that no look behind the back bounce pass to a streaking cutter under the basket. I was always a fan of Hoffa, I saw quite a few games he played in college. I think more minutes and a bit more seasoning; he could be a force in the middle.
vc15
Have to agree all the way with plyrs99 and Healer.
As for Carter, he has to learn but never will, that there is a huge difference between being hurt, and being injured. Over the long haul, he will never amount to anything. He should look at Kidd for example. He has wanted out of NJ all year, but he gets off his ass and comes to play everynight. Thats what winners do.
Have to agree all the way with plyrs99 and Healer.
As for Carter, he has to learn but never will, that there is a huge difference between being hurt, and being injured. Over the long haul, he will never amount to anything. He should look at Kidd for example. He has wanted out of NJ all year, but he gets off his ass and comes to play everynight. Thats what winners do.
I do support the raptors financially....I have season's tickets.plyrs99 said:wrong hole, nice to see you supporting the raptors! fans like you, are more of wha the raps need...
as for babcock, he really had his hands tied with vince carter. carter quit on the team, and the organization, which made it hard for the raps to get anything of consequence for him. great thanks for the millions the raps paid you, maggott. i dont know if he could have done beter. signing rafer doesnt look good, but, what can you say, every team has made bad signings along the way. drafting araujo, book is still out on that one, but, babcock identified a need for the raps, and tried to address it.
as for sam mitchell, good to see a coach stand up to these overpaid pussies. you go sam! raps will be better for it in the long run.
Plyrs99
I think you have a big hate on for vince carter.....me I don't give a damn about vince...he does not play for the raptors anymore
The Nets don't need vince to carry the load...they have Kidd and Jefferson(when he gets back) making vince the 3rd go to guy so I don't get your point about vince living up to the go to guy thing.
what I do care about is the raptors:
name one thing Babcock as done right
- remember bonner was selected by Grunwald
- Araujo is not a NBA centre(all the pro scouts stated this - they all can't be wrong)....babcock passed up on Iggy in Philly and made a ridiculous offer to philly(marshall for Iggy recently)....we could have drafted Iggy instead of Araujo
-Vince trade, so what did we get, eric williams( a very well respect vet) who told the NBA world he wants to be traded b/c the raptors are a joke(after what he witness in the locker room) and for lack of playing time....so this makes the raptors look great as a destination when a respected vet disses the franchise. Aaron williams hasn't done anything and will continue to do nothing.....Zo who the raptors paid 10 million not to play with us...but still count against the salary cap for the next 3 years and will be playing for Miami....and two lottery protected number one draft picks in a year when the draft is considered to be the weakest in the pass 10 years(best scenario is a 9 to low teen pick....which is not good since babcock's judgement of talent is suspect given he picked araujo at 8th when every scout projected araujo a high teen pick at best)
so new jersey dumped their garbage to the raptors in exchange for a all star player who avgs 26.6 pts (47% shooting), 6 rebounds and dropping 5.2 dimes and actually plays defense(not last night, but if you've been watching his games)
btw TSN did a top five worst trades in history of NBA last night - the vince carter trade was up there
You said Babcock had his hands tide.....he could have traded Vince straight up for Shareef Abdur-Rahim and portland's number 1 pick.....at least Shareef's contract expires this summer giving the raptors cap space and a draft pick...instead of paying 10 mill for Zo and paying for aaron and eric williams for 3 more years. But Babcock forced the issue by trying to dump Rose along with vince to portland
oh yeah there's also the playing schedule issue, every GM has a right to protest the team's schedule in the summer saying it's too harsh or whatever and the league changes it. The raptors had the harshest starting schedule out of all NBA teams to begin the season with....so the raptors were snookered before they got a chance to gel b/c Babcock looked at the schedule and said it was fine
-oh yeah babcock gave rafer alston a 6 year deal when no other gm even came close(I think second best was 2 yr deal) - therefore Raptors are stuck with a .389% shooting point guard who loves jacking threes more then passing and who blows up not once but twice and counting
Sam Mitchell - you say....it's good for the coach to stand up to the players....I agree it's great if they are winning and the players respect you....but it's not good if you are losing and you lose the player's attention....it's also not good if a well respected player that Mitchell lobbied for in the trade stating that he(eric williams) is our type of player...comes out in public and says the locker room is a joked b/c of the fights between the coach and players
-Has Sam made the raptors' record better this year vs last year at the same point in time....nope last year we were a .500 team at this point
-Has Sam made the players better(bosh does not count since he would be great regardless of coach) - rafer is still a shoot first guard and the raptor's defense hasn't improved
-ESPN or CNNSI gave out midseason awards...the raptors was voted as the most dysfunctional franchise.....that's not too good for drawing free agents
Haven't you heard, ever since the K-Mart trade, Kidd has wanted out. Kidd STILL desperately wants to go play in minnesota with KG, not stay in swampland. A soon as Kidd lleaves, Vince will show more of what he showed last night. (ok numbers, soft game)wrong hole said:
Difference is...Nets can demand and will get alot for Kidd....plus they still have Jeffersonstrange1 said:
Vince!
Let me start off by saying that "I Hate Vince Carter."
I was a huge fan and supported/defended him up until he said that he quit trying near the end of his term in Toronto. I was clinging to the hope that the Vince that rained down 50+ points on the Sixers and was a dominant participant in one of the best 7 game series in the history of the NBA would somehow emerge again. Foolish me.
I was lucky enough to have eleventh row seats for that 50+ game and was caught up in the "Vinsanity". (Even wore the purple headbands they were handing out!) You had to be there to feel the ACC going crazy as Vince's 3s kept on dropping. Ah, the good ole' days.
Does anyone have tickets for April 15th that they're willing to part with?!!! I wonder what the penalty/fine is for setting fire to my Vince Carter jersey in the stands?
Let me start off by saying that "I Hate Vince Carter."
I was a huge fan and supported/defended him up until he said that he quit trying near the end of his term in Toronto. I was clinging to the hope that the Vince that rained down 50+ points on the Sixers and was a dominant participant in one of the best 7 game series in the history of the NBA would somehow emerge again. Foolish me.
I was lucky enough to have eleventh row seats for that 50+ game and was caught up in the "Vinsanity". (Even wore the purple headbands they were handing out!) You had to be there to feel the ACC going crazy as Vince's 3s kept on dropping. Ah, the good ole' days.
Does anyone have tickets for April 15th that they're willing to part with?!!!
I wonder what the penalty/fine is for setting fire to my Vince Carter jersey in the stands?I am so tired of hearing how it was such a lop-sided trade. Sure, Wince is putting up big numbers now and may even continue to do so. So what? Isn't it obvious that he didn't (at least this year) and would never again put up those numbers with the Raps? As for his trade value for the Raps, it's been argued ad nauseum that he himself drove it into the ground.
BTW, I like what Bosh said in an interview recently. When asked if he'd want out if the team continued to do poorly, he said something to the effect that you don't run away from bad situations and that if you're on a team that is bad, you are part of the reason it's bad.
BTW, I like what Bosh said in an interview recently. When asked if he'd want out if the team continued to do poorly, he said something to the effect that you don't run away from bad situations and that if you're on a team that is bad, you are part of the reason it's bad.
Cb4
My nephew went to Georga Tech with Bosh and says even at school everyone liked him and he had great attitude and work ethic.
BTW, Carter also stunk up the Raptors with no consistant effort for a few years now, not only this year. I didin't hold anything against him until he made it obvious he was not trying, and then when he admitted he didn't try, well.........thats when I said fuck him.
I tell the kids I voluntarily coach, if you can get off the ice and say to yourself that you tried your hardest and fun doing it, then win or loose you are a winner.
My nephew went to Georga Tech with Bosh and says even at school everyone liked him and he had great attitude and work ethic.
BTW, Carter also stunk up the Raptors with no consistant effort for a few years now, not only this year. I didin't hold anything against him until he made it obvious he was not trying, and then when he admitted he didn't try, well.........thats when I said fuck him.
I tell the kids I voluntarily coach, if you can get off the ice and say to yourself that you tried your hardest and fun doing it, then win or loose you are a winner.
Trading away a player is only half the task. In the case of Carter, trading him away is a no brainer coz lots of teams are interested in his sevice. The thing about Babcock is he hasn't done one task right since he became GM. Those who support Babcock are simply Carter lily white haters who does not know a shit about basketball. Let's face it, you white guys can't play hoop, can't jump cos your dick is too small.....just another bad cock...lol
