Vimmy Ridge Anniversary..

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Today is the anniversary of Vimmy Ridge... Our Canadian soldiers did what no other allied force could - take the ridge from the Germans. It was a high price to pay, but freedom is not cheap and it demands blood in payment.

Hats off to our forces - where ever they may be serving... they are fighting for freedom, and paying in blood.

The next time you vote, or voice your opinion in any public way - remember you probably owe your freedom to a SOLDIER.
 

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Quest4Less said:
Today is the anniversary of Vimmy Ridge... Our Canadian soldiers did what no other allied force could - take the ridge from the Germans. It was a high price to pay, but freedom is not cheap and it demands blood in payment.

Hats off to our forces - where ever they may be serving... they are fighting for freedom, and paying in blood.

The next time you vote, or voice your opinion in any public way - remember you probably owe your freedom to a SOLDIER.
Hats off to the boys and the freedoms they fight for
 

dj1470

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Originally posted by Quest4Less
Today is the anniversary of Vimmy Ridge
Come on man :(

Vimmy? Please edit to "Vimy".

While I appreciate your sentiment and agree 100% we all need to know how to spell places like Vimy, Passchendaele, Ypres, Dieppe, Ortona, Juno, Caen, Falaise, and Scheldt correctly. These battles in both WW1 and WW2 set the stage for what it means to be Canadian. These men (and women) defined for generations to come the meaning of the words sacrifice, loyalty, and service. I wish they would be taught more in the curriculum of our schools. I have two daughters aged 11 and 13 and I truly believe it has been left up to me to teach them about these places and people. No where (so far) in their schooling have these things been brought up. Every year I withdraw them from school for the morning on November 11 to go to our local cenotaph. Something that the school does not do any longer. I remember when I was in school the entire student body would spend the entire day honouring our veterans with trips, activities, and ceremonies. Last November 11 my youngest had a Science test that day. While I don't begrudge science couldn't we stop for one day to honour those who fought for our freedom and way of life. If it wasn't for them we'd probably all be speaking German or Russian right now.

Sorry for the rant but it's how I feel.
 

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dj1470 said:
If it wasn't for them we'd probably all be speaking German or Russian right now.
I was with you until you spoke that godforsaken cliche. When people tack that on to the end of their points, I become totally dismissive of whatever it was they were trying to say.

It's just like, "When I was a kid..."
 

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dj1470 said:
Come on man :(

Vimmy? Please edit to "Vimy".

While I appreciate your sentiment and agree 100% we all need to know how to spell places like Vimy, Passchendaele, Ypres, Dieppe, Ortona, Juno, Caen, Falaise, and Scheldt correctly.
Lighten up dude.

It's the thought that counts.

By the way, I believe there are only four (4) World War I Canadian Vets left alive.
 

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Keebler Elf said:
I was with you until you spoke that godforsaken cliche. When people tack that on to the end of their points, I become totally dismissive of whatever it was they were trying to say.

It's just like, "When I was a kid..."
Hey can't a guy throw a little "Fish Called Wanda" clique in there.
 
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Quest4Less said:
Today is the anniversary of Vimmy Ridge... Our Canadian soldiers did what no other allied force could - take the ridge from the Germans. It was a high price to pay, but freedom is not cheap and it demands blood in payment.

Hats off to our forces - where ever they may be serving... they are fighting for freedom, and paying in blood.

The next time you vote, or voice your opinion in any public way - remember you probably owe your freedom to a SOLDIER.
Amen.

IMO your sentiment outweighs any spelling errors.
 

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okay

precisely how many of our Allies tried previously to take Vimy Ridge?

In fact, the issue wasn't that we did someting no one else could do. The issue wasn't that it was of incredible military importance. The issue was the very high price we paid for the ridge. That's all.

And because of that price, it had an impact on the then young country we now live in. They say it helped "define" Canada. What they mean by this is that really, it was the beginning of Canadian nationalism.
 
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TQM said:
precisely how many of our Allies tried previously to take Vimy Ridge?

In fact, the issue wasn't that we did someting no one else could do. The issue wasn't that it was of incredible military importance. The issue was the very high price we paid for the ridge. That's all.

And because of that price, it had an impact on the then young country we now live in. They say it helped "define" Canada. What they mean by this is that really, it was the beginning of Canadian nationalism.
I suggest you read a book sometime. Preferably a history book as your "facts" lack relevance.

Both France and England tried to take Vimy Ridge and failed. Vimy Ridge was widely considered unattainable until the Canadians came along.
 

TQM

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you misread my post.

I didn't say there weren't any other attempts.

I asked if he (or anyone) knew about other such attempts. Yes - it was considered a very difficult task. Yes - that is why it was given to Canadians (not because they thought Canadians were better, but because they thought they could get away with giving the dirty job to the Canadians; Australians were often put in similar situations too, historically.)

You correctly identify which other "nations" made attempts. You don't specify though how many such attempts were made; and to what extent they were made.

Anyway, with reciprocity here, let me recommend a reading comprehension book for you.
 

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TQM said:
precisely how many of our Allies tried previously to take Vimy Ridge?

In fact, the issue wasn't that we did someting no one else could do. The issue wasn't that it was of incredible military importance. The issue was the very high price we paid for the ridge. That's all.

And because of that price, it had an impact on the then young country we now live in. They say it helped "define" Canada. What they mean by this is that really, it was the beginning of Canadian nationalism.
Actually, the issue was that we did something that no one else was able to, as well as the ingenuity with which the Canadians took the ridge. Vimy was felt to be un-breachable, but the Canadian Corps shocked the world (including the Germans) by taking it.

In doing so they/we showed an incredible amount of operational imagination, and invented some new tactical procedures. The assault was rehearsed for 6 weeks before the actual attack, on a mock-battlefield created to give leaders and soldiers chances to learn their tactical lessons and make their mistakes in training, versus when the bullets were actually flying. A tunnel system as big as Vancouver was built underneath the battlefield, complete with electric lights, a rail system, and a water pipe system. This allowed tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers to approach the line of departure out of German sight (thus increasing the element of surprise). And large portions of the tunnel systems reached behind enemy lines, again increasing the element of surprise.

The Canadian attack on Vimy was the first time that Artillery was used in a rolling barrage (ie. the shells landed in front of the advancing Canadian troops, denying the Germans time to regroup before the Infantry was on top of them). There are many websites which outline the battle and the reasons for its significance.

So, it was not the losses at Vimy that earned Canada the world's admiration, at the time. Not at all. It was the unexpected success over what were thought to be insurmountable odds that put tiny Canada on the map.

ps. The Canadian attack was the Third Battle of Vimy. Britain and France had previously failed. Canadian losses, as huge as they were, were miniscule in comparison to what our allies had lost in their failed attacks.
 

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I always get a Poppy each year around rememberance day even though I lose it quite quicly (not on purpose just falls off the coat) but I feel bad that some veteran is selling it to me and thanking me for my pocket change.

We should be thanking them for risking their lives.
 

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CapitalGuy said:
Actually, the issue was that we did something that no one else was able to, as well as the ingenuity with which the Canadians took the ridge. Vimy was felt to be un-breachable, but the Canadian Corps shocked the world (including the Germans) by taking it.

In doing so they/we showed an incredible amount of operational imagination, and invented some new tactical procedures. The assault was rehearsed for 6 weeks before the actual attack, on a mock-battlefield created to give leaders and soldiers chances to learn their tactical lessons and make their mistakes in training, versus when the bullets were actually flying. A tunnel system as big as Vancouver was built underneath the battlefield, complete with electric lights, a rail system, and a water pipe system. This allowed tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers to approach the line of departure out of German sight (thus increasing the element of surprise). And large portions of the tunnel systems reached behind enemy lines, again increasing the element of surprise.

The Canadian attack on Vimy was the first time that Artillery was used in a rolling barrage (ie. the shells landed in front of the advancing Canadian troops, denying the Germans time to regroup before the Infantry was on top of them). There are many websites which outline the battle and the reasons for its significance.

So, it was not the losses at Vimy that earned Canada the world's admiration, at the time. Not at all. It was the unexpected success over what were thought to be insurmountable odds that put tiny Canada on the map.

ps. The Canadian attack was the Third Battle of Vimy. Britain and France had previously failed. Canadian losses, as huge as they were, were miniscule in comparison to what our allies had lost in their failed attacks.
Thank you for that cogent and concise account. All too rare in these debates.
 

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Capital Guy,

You're absolutely right in detail - but you let patriotism get in the way of analysis.

Ultimately - yes - two attempts previous. That's all. And it's not like the French were particularly successful at anything.

For a nation as small as Canada was, you underestimate the losses. Lastly, the war would have gone on as it did, with the same results at the same time regardless of the victory of Vimy.

Finally, we make a bigger deal of it than other nations. (Rightly so, mind you - that's nationalism for you).
 
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TQM said:
I didn't say there weren't any other attempts.

I asked if he (or anyone) knew about other such attempts. Yes - it was considered a very difficult task. Yes - that is why it was given to Canadians (not because they thought Canadians were better, but because they thought they could get away with giving the dirty job to the Canadians; Australians were often put in similar situations too, historically.)
This was not the case at all. Vimy Ridge was not the same as Dieppe.

The victory at Vimy was a result of Canadian ingenuity and superb planning and organization. As CapitalGuy stated, the loses the Canadians suffered in victory were substantially less than the loses France and England suffered in defeat.


TQM said:
Anyway, with reciprocity here, let me recommend a reading comprehension book for you.
It was quite obvious to me (and apparently CapitalGuy too) that your post downplayed the strategic significance of the victory at Vimy Ridge.
 
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TQM said:
Finally, we make a bigger deal of it than other nations. (Rightly so, mind you - that's nationalism for you).
Wrong again.

The memorial at Vimy was not contracted by Canadians. Not many know this but Hitler, of all people, appointed his elite Waffen SS to guard and protect the memorial in 1942 (to protect it from any German soldiers who may wish to desecrate the memorial) and they remained there until their retreat.

It seems Vimy Ridge was a big deal to everyone, except you.

Seriously, take a trip to your local library.
 
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CapitalGuy said:
The Canadian attack on Vimy was the first time that Artillery was used in a rolling barrage (ie. the shells landed in front of the advancing Canadian troops, denying the Germans time to regroup before the Infantry was on top of them). There are many websites which outline the battle and the reasons for its significance.
The implementation of the "moppers up" also had a significant impact. The victory at Vimy was made possible due to superior planning and military tactics. Not bad from a rag tag army just formed from conscription.
 

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God bless our children in the military!...May we always enjoy the freedom we have been given. Thank you all vets.
 

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My respect to all our vets and fallen ones. Come home safe , soldiers. God bless.
 

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CapitalGuy said:
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The Canadian attack on Vimy was the first time that Artillery was used in a rolling barrage ....
Not quite true. It was used during the Somme campaign but with lesser effect because a lack of co-ordination. Many of the techniques used during the battle at Vimy were not developed by the Canadian Corps but they were used to much better effect.
 
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