Violence against Muslims continues in America

[toguy5252]

I'm pointing out that there are problems with your way of defining "Muslim country". If a country is not a "Muslim country" unless its constitution says so, even though it is overwhelmingly Muslim populated, then presumably the same logic means a country cannot be a "non Muslim" country unless its constitution says it is non Muslim. Canada, the US, Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, and Israel would all be examples of countries that are neither Muslim nor non-Muslim by your way of defining things. We would have three categories of countries by your logic: Muslim, non-Muslim, and secular.

And as for freedom of religion in Malaysia yes it is constitutionally guaranteed--in a Muslim country! And respected too. And yes, Malaysia's constitution declares that it is an Islamic state.

I generally hold up Malaysia as an example of hypocrisy on the part of the likes of Groggy, as I have never heard him express any outrage that Malaysia is an Islamic state, nor have I seen him going about asserting that it is an apartheid state, or that by definition it cannot be a democracy since it declares itself to be Islamic. Like Israel, Malaysia guarantees religious freedoms, but at the same time has policies that promote Islam (without disparaging or limiting other religions).

I have no idea how you read that into my earlier. The fact is that notwithstanding that your pointing to states where freedom of religion is constitutionally guaranteed does not change the fact that Muslims enjoy much greater religious freedom in non-Muslim states then Christians and others enjoy in Muslim states. That is beyond any debate, try as you may.

 

[fuji]

I have no idea how you read that into my earlier. The fact is that notwithstanding that your pointing to states where freedom of religion is constitutionally guaranteed does not change the fact that Muslims enjoy much greater religious freedom in non-Muslim states then Christians and others enjoy in Muslim states. That is beyond any debate, try as you may.

In stating that, have you controlled for wealth effects? Fundamentally you're comparing developed countries to developing countries, which is deeply problematic. It would be more accurate to compare developing nations to one another. The Muslim nations are all developing nations, and so really you should exclude developed nations from the compare, and look at how they stack up against a typical non-Muslim developing nation.

I think if you look at developing nations overall Muslim nations are no worse and no better. There are many dictatorships, both among developing Muslim and developing non-Muslim nations, but there are also shining examples of democracy on both sides.

What IS true is that due to the oil resources in the Middle East, where many of the Muslim nations are, the Muslim dictatorships tend to be in the news a lot more than the non-Muslim ones.

 

[Rockslinger]

I think Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey look pretty good on that apples-to-apples comparison, don't you?

I measure a country by more than its GDP. I also value diversity, respect for human rights and law (in practice as well as in words) and freely available porn. In almost all Muslim countries, there are very few non-Muslims because they make sure there are very few Muslims (sometimes by killing non-Muslims). BTW Do you know why the great city state of Singapore is not part of Malaysia?

 

[fuji]

IIn almost all Muslim countries, there are very few non-Muslims because they make sure there are very few Muslims (sometimes by killing non-Muslims).

This is a false statement. It's true of a few Muslim countries especially the Arab ones near Israel. It certainly is not true of "almost all" Muslim countries.

 

[toguy5252]

In stating that, have you controlled for wealth effects? Fundamentally you're comparing developed countries to developing countries, which is deeply problematic. It would be more accurate to compare developing nations to one another. The Muslim nations are all developing nations, and so really you should exclude developed nations from the compare, and look at how they stack up against a typical non-Muslim developing nation.

I think if you look at developing nations overall Muslim nations are no worse and no better. There are many dictatorships, both among developing Muslim and developing non-Muslim nations, but there are also shining examples of democracy on both sides.

What IS true is that due to the oil resources in the Middle East, where many of the Muslim nations are, the Muslim dictatorships tend to be in the news a lot more than the non-Muslim ones.

LOL. If you are simply trying to make distinctions as part or an exercise in sophistry you are really not doing a very good job. If you are actually trying to make some point you are being absurd.

 

[fuji]

The distinction between a developing nation and a developed nation is "sophistry"???

 

[toguy5252]

The distinction between a developing nation and a developed nation is "sophistry"???

When you use it to try and explain why the proposition that "Muslims enjoy much greater religious freedom in non-Muslim states then Christians and others enjoy in Muslim states" is not correct yes that is exactly what it is.

 

[fuji]

When you use it to try and explain why the proposition that "Muslims enjoy much greater religious freedom in non-Muslim states then Christians and others enjoy in Muslim states" is not correct yes that is exactly what it is.

Your statement is only true when developed nations are included. When you look at developing nations alone I think Muslim nations are about as likely to be free and democratic as non-Muslim nations. Which is another way of saying, a few shining examples of freedom and democracy, and a lot of authoritarian regimes. But that's true of all developing nations, not only Muslim ones.

The economic and social challenges present in developing nations seem to have prevented democracy from taking hold in a great many of them.

 

[toguy5252]

Your statement is only true when developed nations are included. When you look at developing nations alone I think Muslim nations are about as likely to be free and democratic as non-Muslim nations. Which is another way of saying, a few shining examples of freedom and democracy, and a lot of authoritarian regimes. But that's true of all developing nations, not only Muslim ones.

The economic and social challenges present in developing nations seem to have prevented democracy from taking hold in a great many of them.

LOL. I rest my case.

 

[fuji]

LOL. I rest my case.

What case? Why would you expect developing Muslim nations to be more free and more democratic than non-Muslim developing nations? I really don't understand you.

The ratio of Muslim democracies to authoritarian regimes seems to be about the same as the ratio of all developing democracies to developing authoritarian regimes.

 

[toguy5252]

What case? Why would you expect developing Muslim nations to be more free and more democratic than non-Muslim developing nations? I really don't understand you.

The ratio of Muslim democracies to authoritarian regimes seems to be about the same as the ratio of all developing democracies to developing authoritarian regimes.

LOL. just keep digging.

 

[fuji]

LOL. just keep digging.

I see your strategy. You realize you've lost the case but instead of responding in an adult fashion you've switched to smear and insult. OK...

It remains a fact that all Muslim nations are developing nations. It remains a fact that their ratio of democracy to non-democracy is roughly similar to all other developing nations. What there is to dispute here--I can't imagine. Well that's probably why you have decided to turn to smearing instead of debating.

For what purpose? For any practical matter it changes nothing. Israel for example is still surrounded by nations which are entirely unfree. There are perhaps Arab cultural reasons for that (or as the Tunisians have shown--perhaps not) but not strictly Muslim reasons, as Indonesia and Malaysia stand as counter-examples.

 

[toguy5252]

I see your strategy. You realize you've lost the case but instead of responding in an adult fashion you've switched to smear and insult. OK...

It remains a fact that all Muslim nations are developing nations. It remains a fact that their ratio of democracy to non-democracy is roughly similar to all other developing nations. What there is to dispute here--I can't imagine. Well that's probably why you have decided to turn to smearing instead of debating.

For what purpose? For any practical matter it changes nothing. Israel for example is still surrounded by nations which are entirely unfree. There are perhaps Arab cultural reasons for that (or as the Tunisians have shown--perhaps not) but not strictly Muslim reasons, as Indonesia and Malaysia stand as counter-examples.

I see your strategy. just declare victory and don't worry about anything else. You really are funny.

It is not a case of winning or losing notwithstanding your habit of declaring victory in the face of being shown to be wrong. In any event you have made a silly distinction to make a silly point. You have neither won nor lost. You have simply demonstrated once again that you cling to a position long past the time to reasonably let go.

 

[fuji]

The difference between developed nations and developing ones is not "silly". There is a reason why so few developing nations are free and open societies.

 

[toguy5252]

The difference between developed nations and developing ones is not "silly". There is a reason why so few developing nations are free and open societies.

The statement was ""Muslims enjoy much greater religious freedom in non-Muslim states then Christians and others enjoy in Muslim states". Not really very complicated nor does that statement have anything to width whether a country is developed or not. If you are trying to offer some sociological explanation for why that statement is true or untrue for that matter that would be fine. But your comments really have nothing at all to do with whether or not the statement is true.

 

[Czar]

Czar you are ignorant, but rather than filling in your ignorance with learning you have filled it in with bigoted assumption. Show me your empirical evidence that mainstream muslims are likely to give up their beliefs and convert to a more radical denomination? If you have no such evidence, if as I suspect you're just making that up as you go, then recognize your lack of knowledge and try educating yourself before making any more such bigoted assumptions.

Not too difficult to prove. You ask me for evidence that muslims are more likely to "convert to a more radical denomination". I think it is safe to say that "radical denomination" would be terrorists or active supporter of terrorism.

So here is a list of terrorism attempts in the US overall since 2000. Based on muslims being 0.5% of the population, it appears that they are literally hundreds of times more likely to be terrorists as there are only a few others sprinkled in.

The truth is not ignorance or bigoted assumption. KEEP THEM OUT

2000 March 9: The former leader of the Texas Militia is arrested in a plot to attack the Federal Building in Houston.[89]
2002 February 8: Two members of Project 7 are arrested plotting to kill judges and law enforcement officials in order to kick off a revolution.[89]
2002 May 8: José Padilla, accused by John Ashcroft of plotting to attack the United States with a dirty bomb, declared as an enemy combatant, and denied habeas corpus. No material evidence has been produced to support the allegation.
2002 July 26 2002 White supremacist terror plot: Two white supremacists were convicted of conspiring to start a race war by bombing landmarks associated with Jews and Blacks.[114]
2002 September 3: An Idaho Mountain Militia Boys plot to kill a judge and a police officer and break a friend out of jail is uncovered.[89]
2003 April 24: William Krar is charged for his part in the Tyler poison gas plot, a white supremacist related plan. A sodium cyanide bomb was seized with at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition. He faces up to 10 years in prison.[115][116]
2003 May 1: Iyman Faris pleads guilty to providing material support to Al Qaeda and plotting to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge by cutting through cables with blowtorches. He had been working as a double for the FBI since March, but in October was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
2005 August 31 2005 Los Angeles bomb plot:Kevin James, Hammad Samana, Gregory Patterson, and Levar Washington were indicted on charges to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism in California. The men planned attacks against Jewish institutions and American military locations in Los Angeles during the Yom Kippur holiday.[117]
2006 February 21: The Toledo terror plot where three men were accused of conspiring to wage a "holy war" against the United States, supply help to the terrorist in Iraq, and threatening to kill the US president.
2006 June 23: The Miami bomb plot to attack the Sears Tower where seven men were arrested after an FBI agent infiltrated a group while posing as an al-Qaeda member. No weapons or other materials were found. On May 12, 2009 after two mistrials due to hung juries five men were convicted and one acquitted on charges related to the plot. Narseal Batiste the groups ringleader was convicted on four charges the only defendant to be convicted on all four charges brought against the defendants.[118]
2006 July 7: Three suspects arrested in Lebanon for plotting to blow up a Hudson River tunnel and flood the New York financial district.
2006 November 29 Demetrius Van Crocker a white supremacist from rural Tennessee was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to acquire Sarin nerve gas and C-4 explosives that he planned to use to destroy government buildings.[119]
2006 December 8: Derrick Shareef, 22, a Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians was charged in a plot to set off four hand grenades in garbage cans December 22 at the CherryVale Mall in Rockford, Illinois.[120]
2007 March 5 A Rikers Island inmate offered to pay an undercover police officer posing as a hit man to behead New York City police commissioner Raymond Kelly and bomb police headquarters in retaliation for the controversial police shooting of Sean Bell. The suspect wanted the bombing to be considered a terrorist act.[121][122]
2007 May 1: Five members of a self styled Birmingham, Alabama area anti-immigration militia were arrested for planning a machine gun attack on Mexicans.[123]
2007 May 7: Fort Dix attack plot Six men inspired by Jihadist videos arrested in a failed homegrown terrorism plot to kill soldiers. Plot unravels when Circuit City clerk becomes suspicious of the DVDs the men had created and report it to authorities who place an informant in the group. In October 2008 one man pleaded guilty to charges related to the plot. On December 22, 2008 five other men were convicted with conspiracy to kill American soldiers but were acquitted of attempted murder.[124] Dritan, Shain and Eljvir Duka were sentenced to life in prison.[125]
2007 June 3: John F. Kennedy International Airport terror plot Four men indicted in plot to blow up jet-fuel supply tanks at JFK Airport and a 40-mile (64 km) connecting pipeline. One suspect is a U.S. citizen and one, Abdul Kadir, is former member of parliament in Guyana. All The airport was targeted because one of the suspects saw arms shipments and missiles being shipped to Israel from that locale. In a recorded conversation one of the suspects allegedly told an informant that "Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow.... They love JFK – he's like the man". Plot unraveled when a person from law enforcement was recruited.[126][127][128] On June 29, 2010 Abdel Nur plead guilty to material support charges. Due to health reasons Kareem Ibrahim was removed from the case and will be tried separately.[129] On August 2 Russell M. Defreitas and Abdul Kadir were convicted for their role in the plot.[130]
2008 March 26: Michael S. Gorbey who was detained in January 2008 for carrying a loaded shotgun two blocks from the Capitol Building has been charged planning to set off a bomb after a device containing can of gunpowder duct-taped to a box of shotgun shells and a bottle containing buckshot or BB pellets was found in the pickup truck he was driving. The pickup truck was moved to a government parking lot where for a three week period the device inside it went unnoticed.[131] Michael Gorbey gets 22 years prison, but he insisted that police planted weapons.[132]
2008 October 27 Federal agents claim to thwarted a plot by two white power skinheads to target an African American High School and kill 88 blacks and decapitate 14 more (the numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic to white supremacists) and although expecting to fail try to assassinate Barack Obama.[133]
2009 May 20: 2009 New York City bomb plot Three U.S. citizens and one Haitian from Newburgh, New York were arrested in a plot to bomb a Riverdale Temple and a Riverdale Jewish Center in The Bronx, New York City in an alleged homegrown terrorist plot. It was also alleged that they planned to shoot down military planes operating out of Stewart Air National Guard Base also in Newburgh. One of the suspects whose parents are from Afghanistan was said to be "unhappy that many Muslim people were being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by the United States Military forces."[134][135][136] On October 18, 2010, the four were convicted on most of the charges brought against them.[137] On June 29, 2011 three of the men were sentenced to 25 years imprisonment by a judge who criticized the governments handling of the case.[138]
2009 September 2009 New York Subway and United Kingdom Plot: Najibullah Zazi of Denver was indicted on charges of trying to build and detonate a weapon of mass destruction by purchasing hydrogen peroxide, acetone and other chemicals. He and two others allegedly planned to detonate the homemade explosives on the New York City subway system.[139] On February 22, 2010 Zazi plead guilty to conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, conspiracy to commit murder in a foreign country and providing material support for a terrorist organization. Zazi said he was recruited by al-Qaida as part of a "martyrdom plan".[140] Zazi agreed to cooperate with authorities and has told them that the groups planned to walk into the Times Square and Grand Central stations with backpack bombs at rush hour and then choose which subway lines to attack.[141] Several days later Adis Medunjanin and Zarein Ahmedzay high school classmates of Zazi were indicted and plead not guilty to charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, conspiracy to commit murder in a foreign country and providing material support for a terrorist organization.[142] On April 12 a fourth man was arrested in Pakistan.[141] On April 23 Prosecutors said that two Senior Al Queda officials who were reportedly later killed in drone attacks ordered the attacks and Zarein Ahmedzay pled guilty to plot related charges.[143] On July 7 five others were indicted including Al Qaeda leader Adnan Shukrijumah, and it was alleged the United Kingdom was also a target of the plot.[144] While in Pakistan, Zazi, Ahmedzay and Medunjanin were allegedly recruited and directed by Shukrijumah, a former Florida student who is designated as one of the FBI’s most wanted terrorists, to conduct a terrorist attack in the U.S.[145] On August 6 new charges were brought against Adis and 4 others including Shukrijumah. Medunjanin pled not guilty.[146]

 

[Czar]

2009 August – September: On September 24 William Boyd and Hysen Sherifi charged with "conducting reconnaissance of the Marine Corps base at Quantico, Virginia and obtaining armor-piercing ammunition with the intent to attack Americans". Boyd, two of his sons and several other suspects had been charged on international terrorism charges in August, but at the time there was no indication that they wanted to plot a United States attack. An audio tape of Boyd decrying the U.S. military, discussing the honor of martyrdom, and bemoaning the struggle of Muslims was played at a August hearing. It is the first case of a ring of homegrown terrorists having specific targets.[147][148]
2009 September 24: Michael Finton/Talib Islam a 29 year old man from Illinois charged with trying to kill federal employees by detonating a car bomb at the federal building in Springfield, Illinois. Charges based on F.B.I. sting operation.[147] He is said to idolize American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh.[149]
2009 September 24: Hosam Maher Husein Smadi a 19 year old illegal immigrant from Jordan charged with trying the bomb the 60 story Fountain Place office tower in Dallas, Texas. Charges are based on F.B.I. sting operation in which agents posed as members of an Al Queda sleeper cell.[147][149]
2010 January 7 Adis Medunjanin an alleged 2009 NYC Subway plotter attempts a suicide attack by intentionally crashing his car on the Whitestone Bridge in New York City. He is indicted for this on July 7.[150] Medunjanin has since been charged for his role in an Al Qaeda plot to conduct coordinated suicide bombings on New York's subway system.[151]
2010 May Paul Rockwood Jr. a meteorologist who took official weather observations and his pregnant wife Nancy from King Salmon, Alaska compiled a list of 20 targets, including members of the military and media and had moved to the operational phase of their plan plead guilty to lying to FBI about the list and making false statements to the FBI. Under a plea agreement Mr. Rockwood will serve eight years in prison and three years probation while Ms. Rockwood will serve probation. Motive was revenge for alleged descecration of Islam.[152][153]
2010 September 20 Sami Samir Hassoun, 22, a Lebanese citizen living in Chicago, was charged with one count each of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted use of an explosive device after placing a backpack with what he thought was a bomb near Wrigley Field. Alleged plot was foiled by FBI informant. Hassoun discussed other ideas for mass destruction attacks with informant.[154]
2010 October 27. Farooque Ahmed, 34, a naturalized U.S. citizen indicted for conspiracy to bomb 4 Washington Metro stations with people he thought were al-Qaeda.[155]
2010 November 26. Mohamed Osman Mohamud a 19-year-old Somali-American is alleged to have attempted a car bombing at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The device was a dud created by the FBI.[156] Motive is reported to be Jihad[157]
2010 December 8. Antonio Martinez, also known as Muhammad Hussain arrested after a sting operation in an alleged plot to bomb a military recruiting center in Catonsville, Maryland. The 21 year old suspect is an American who converted to Islam. The suspect was reported to be upset that the military continues to kill Muslims.[158]
2010 December 21 Internet radio broadcaster Hal Turner sentenced to 33 months in prison after he published the work addresses and photographs of three judges who had upheld gun control laws and advocated for their assassination.[159]
2011 February 24: Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari a 20 year old Saudi Arabian student arrested for building bombs to use in alleged terrorist attacks. Targets allegedly were home of George W. Bush, hydroelectric dams, nuclear power plants, nightclubs and the homes of soldiers who were formerly stationed at the Abu Ghraib prison. In Aldawsari's journal he wrote he was inspired by the speeches of Osama Bin Ladin. Alleged plot uncovered when supplier noticed suspicious purchases.[160]
2011 May 11: In the 2011 Manhattan terrorism plot, Ahmed Ferhani resident of Queens, New York and native of Algeria and Mohamed Mamdouh aged 20 also from Queens and Moroccan native arrested in a lone wolf plot against a New York Synagogue that had yet to be chosen. It also alleged that they hoped to attack the Empire State Building. The pair were arrested after buying two Browning semi-automatic pistols, one Smith & Wesson revolver, ammunition and one grenade. The pair disguised themselves as Jewish temple goers and pretended to pray. The suspects were said to be "committed to violent jihad".[161]
2011 June 23:Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif and Walli Mujahidh are arrested on charges of buying machine guns and grenades and conspiring to attack a federal building housing a Military Entrance Processing Station in Seattle, Washington.[162]
2011 July 27: AWOL U.S. Army Private, and conscientious objector, Naser Jason Abdo from Garland, Texas was arrested in an alleged plot against Fort Hood, Texas. Materials for up to two bombs were found with jihadist materials in Abdo's motel room. Investigation began when owner of a local gun store called police after becoming suspicious when Abdo asked questions indicating he did not know about the items he was purchasing.[163][164]
2011 September 28: Rezwan Ferdaus, a US citizen,was indicted for allegedly plotting to use remote-controlled aircraft carrying explosives to bomb the Pentagon and the US Capitol. He also allegedly planned to hire people to shoot at people fleeing the Pentagon. Ferdaus was said to be motivated by Al Queada videos and the alleged plot was uncovered by an F.B.I. sting operation.[165]
2011 October 11: Operation Red Coalition. Alleged plot that was "conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran" to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States Adel Al-Jubeir with a bomb and bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. It is not known if Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei or President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had knowledge of the plot. The alleged plot was disrupted by an FBI and DEA investigation. The investigation began in May 2011 when an Iranian-American approached a DEA informant seeking the help of a Mexican drug cartel to assassinate the Saudi ambassador. Iran has denied the allegations.[166]
2011 October–November: Georgia terrorist plot Four elderly men from a Georgia militia arrested for plotting to buy ricin in preparation for an attack they claimed would "save the Constitution". They allegedly discussed blowing up IRS and ATF buildings, dispensing ricin from a plane over Atlanta and other cities, and assassinating "un American" politicians. Informant used to break up alleged plot.[167]
2011 November 20. Jose Pimentel aged 27 an American citizen and a convert to Islam from New York City arrested and accused of being the process of building pipe bombs (and one hour away from his building his first bomb) to target post offices police cars and U.S. military personnel returning from abroad in New York City and Bayonne, New Jersey. Was said to be a follower of the late Al Quada leader Anwar al-Awlaki. The FBI did not consider Pimentel who was said to be radicalized via the internet by enough of a threat to investigate but NYC police considered him a 2 on a threat scale of 1 to 5.[168][169][170]
2012 January 7 Sami Osmakac a naturalized American who born in Kosovo arrested in plot to create mayhem in Tampa, Florida by car bombing, hostage taking and exploding a suicide belt. Allege bomb targets included by night clubs in the Ybor City, a bar, and the operations center of the sheriff's office and South Tampa businesses. Osmakac allegedly told an FBI undercover agent "We all have to die, so why not die the Islamic way?". Osmakac plead not guilty on February 8.[171]
2012 February 17 Amine El Khalifi a Moroccan man from Alexandria, Virginia arrested in alleged suicide bombing plot of U.S. Capital. Was arrested was a result of F.B.I. sting operation.

 

[fuji]

Not too difficult to prove. You ask me for evidence that muslims are more likely to "convert to a more radical denomination". I think it is safe to say that "radical denomination" would be terrorists or active supporter of terrorism.

So here is a list of terrorism attempts in the US overall since 2000. Based on muslims being 0.5% of the population, it appears that they are literally hundreds of times more likely to be terrorists as there are only a few others sprinkled in.

So which denominations did these attackers belong to? Were they previously mainstream denominations, and did they subsequently convert? Or did they grow up in the radical sect? Did they belong to sects that moderate Muslim nations like Indonesia have outlawed? Were they wahhabi's?

I am guessing that you have NO IDEA and you thought spamming a random list of Muslim names could substitute for knowledge, but it doesn't. You've revealed your ignorance. The reality is YOU DON'T KNOW.

I will give you a hint though -- anywhere in your list you saw a reference to Saudi Arabia you can be pretty sure that you're talking about a Wahhabi muslim.

It's like I could say that Christians are more likely to be Nazi sympathizers, and give you a long list of names of Nazis, and say this proves my point. Obviously it doesn't. Your snow job is the same nonsense--you don't actually know how any of those people relate to mainstream Muslim religious groups. No idea at all. You just want to throw out some Muslim names and say that all Muslims are like that--sheer ignorance. In fact, you appear to be so ignorant that you don't even know how ignorant you are.

 

[Czar]

Afraid Not. Almost all were muslims. That is the bottom line. Likely no Bhuddists, likely no Hindus, a few Christians. Thats just the way it is. And likely, all were the so-called mainstream before that...until radicalized for whatever reason.

Like so many western countries...But...not South Korea or Japan. I wonder why not. Oh wait a minute...virtually no muslims living there.

KEEP THEM OUT

CZAR...very knowledgeable indeed

 

[Rockslinger]

But...not South Korea or Japan. I wonder why not. Oh wait a minute...virtually no muslims living there.

No Muslims mean no Muslim terrorists?