Who would you rather have coaching your child?, or married to your sister?dj1470 said:
That is a better measure of a man than whether or not they won a Stanley Cup.
Wendel Clark
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That is a better measure of a man than whether or not they won a Stanley Cup.
Roy -vs- Roenick
Remember this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiN8HjEy74
What a great line LMFAO!
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Remember this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiN8HjEy74
What a great line LMFAO!
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Say what you want but Wendel meant just as much to the Leafs as Roy did to the Habs. Roy had elite talent, Clark had talent to go along with a huge heart. For many years all we had as Leaf fans was Clark. Watching him was the highlight of the game. From his deadly wrist shot to his thundering hits Clark provided many a highlight reel. The way he played the game to even excel for so many years that way is truly a testament. Most guys bodies would have broken down after 3 seasons of that rigorous punishment. Wendel did it for 800 games over 15 seasons.
My favourite Leaf ever.
My favourite Leaf ever.
We are talking about retiring his number not being involved in your family. Yeah, Roy is an asshole but so are over 50% of the guys in the NBA I would bet.pencilneckgeek2 said:Who would you rather have coaching your child?, or married to your sister?
That is a better measure of a man than whether or not they won a Stanley Cup.
You're the one who referred to Wendel Clark as a loser. You are incorrect on that matter.dj1470 said:
I watched both ceremonies tonight. Wendel had his wife and children with him. Where was Patrick's wife, hiding behind a bathroom or bedroom door?
If you're going to rip and bash individuals and organizations, you really ought to get your facts straight.
The Toronto Maple Leafs did not not retire Wendel Clark's number, they honoured him, and it.
The Leafs have only two retired numbers, 5 for Bill Barilko, and 6, for Ace Bailey.
Other Leaf greats have had their number honoured, but not retired, and that is what happened tonight for Wendel Clark.
Under the category of What the Fuck:
Why did you introduce the NBA into this discussion?
I just don't understand why you are bringing his children into this???
We are talking about recognizing NHL players for greatness and how I believe Roy deserves it and Clark doesn't.
I get it. I really do get your attitude:
Clark = Leafs = good
Roy = Habs = evil
I know no arguing will change your attitude. If Roy had been a Leaf and had led the Leafs to Cup wins then your attitude would be different and Roy's "bad" side would be completely and conviently forgotten. If Clark had been a Hab you'd want to eat his liver and burn him ineffigy. I really do understand your mindset.
As for my NBA statement: all of those players are involved in community actvities while most of them have criminal records so I really wouldn't have a problem with Patrick Roy coaching anybody. Just making a point with an analogy.
We are talking about recognizing NHL players for greatness and how I believe Roy deserves it and Clark doesn't.
I get it. I really do get your attitude:
Clark = Leafs = good
Roy = Habs = evil
I know no arguing will change your attitude. If Roy had been a Leaf and had led the Leafs to Cup wins then your attitude would be different and Roy's "bad" side would be completely and conviently forgotten. If Clark had been a Hab you'd want to eat his liver and burn him ineffigy. I really do understand your mindset.
As for my NBA statement: all of those players are involved in community actvities while most of them have criminal records so I really wouldn't have a problem with Patrick Roy coaching anybody. Just making a point with an analogy.
You do show the arrogance of the typical Montreal Canadiens fan. However, you don't ''get'' me very well at all. Let me tell you a little about myself.dj1470 said:
I am a Leaf fan. My favourite player in hockey, all time, is Jean Beliveau. I believe he played for the Montreal Canadiens. I like to think I'm intelligent enough to recognize greatness and class when I see it. To me, that's Beliveau.
With regard to Patrick Roy and his domestic assault history, if he had been a Maple Leaf and committed those crimes I would have been embarrassed to say that I was his fan.
Roy was a very good player, however he was gutless and classless in my opinion. He quit on his teammates, he quit on his fans, and he disgraced the Montreal uniform. I have been embarrassed by actions of several different Leafs, and ex-Leafs. Ryan Hollweg, Rob Ramage and Tie Domi are the first three that come to mind.
You break this down as being rather simplistic, but I suppose you must do that, so you can understand it yourself.
You asked why I brought his children into this. You referred to Wendel Clark as a loser, and it is my opinion that he is not. As an example of his fine character, I presented the fact that his wife and children accompanied him to the ceremony. Where was Patrick's wife? Can you explain Patrick's actions in last year's QMJHL playoffs?
As others in this thread have stated, hockey is a team game, and it takes a lot more than one player to win. Wendel Clark was often the only reason to watch a Leaf game in the mid '80's and early '90's.
Patrick Roy had talent surrounding him that allowed him to win more games.
If Wendel Clark had been a Montreal Canadien, I would have hated him as a hockey player, because he was so tough to play against, but oh boy, what I wouldn't give to have him on my team. It may interest you to know that my favourite active player in the NHL is Saku Koivo (second favourite is Daniel Alfredsson). I am a Toronto Maple Leaf fan, but moreso, I am a fan of hockey.
With regard to your N.B.A. statement. Proof please, I do not believe most N.B.A. players have criminal records. Most would indicate a large majority. Cut the bullshit unless you have statistics to back up such outlandish claims.
When winning, any player can appear to be great.
True leadership and greatness are best shown during trying and difficult times. In that respect, Wendel Clark stands head and shoulders over Patrick Roy.
LMAO!
In all honesty, she probably was! Oh wait, that door was ripped from its hinges by this loser!
Fuck Pat Roy, he's a piece of shit and always will be!
wifebeater heads to the rafters!
also, only 2 years ago Patrick Roy didn't want to have anything to do with a Montreal banner raising when he was approached regarding it. he still had bitter feelings towards the organization and planners had to warm him up to it.
played 551 reg season games for the habs, 478 for the av's - however, his winning percentage, save %age, and GAA was much better as an Av...
probably because it was an issue for some time... especially with regards to CBC's HNIC... but, they pulled it off by staggering the ceremony times. worked quite well, imo.dj1470 said:
also, only 2 years ago Patrick Roy didn't want to have anything to do with a Montreal banner raising when he was approached regarding it. he still had bitter feelings towards the organization and planners had to warm him up to it.
played 551 reg season games for the habs, 478 for the av's - however, his winning percentage, save %age, and GAA was much better as an Av...
Wasn't there a lot of fans singing their "away, away" song during the ceremony?
I thought that song is used to taunt opposing teams in the closing minutes when the Habs were beating them?
Didn't Roy have more success as a Colorado Avalanche?
Roy alluded to his acrimonius departing from the Habs in his speech. I thought that was low class, and typical of him.
A great goalie, but not much of a human being. As far as being a "good guy", he couldn't carry Wendel's jock.
I thought that song is used to taunt opposing teams in the closing minutes when the Habs were beating them?
Didn't Roy have more success as a Colorado Avalanche?
Roy alluded to his acrimonius departing from the Habs in his speech. I thought that was low class, and typical of him.
A great goalie, but not much of a human being. As far as being a "good guy", he couldn't carry Wendel's jock.
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I remember watching him in the mid 80's, and every game it seemed like, he would lace someone against the boards that felt like it would rock MLG. Plus the crowds reaction. Or watching him take on anyone with that C on his chest.
That was good stuff there.
I remember watching him in the mid 80's, and every game it seemed like, he would lace someone against the boards that felt like it would rock MLG. Plus the crowds reaction. Or watching him take on anyone with that C on his chest.
That was good stuff there.
But only one was a winner on the ice. And that's enough to get the respect of fans.. be a warrior and win (and its not just a Montreal thing).Blown in 60 Seconds said:
Nothing against Wendel... there are different ways to earn respect, and he showed more loyalty to the Leafs then Roy ever showed to the Habs. Its just that there is different ways to earn respect from fans....just win alone and all else is forgotten.
Leafs fans didn't seem to have a problem showing reverence to Dougie Gilmour... because he was a warrior and winner "ON" the ice.pencilneckgeek2 said:Who would you rather have coaching your child?, or married to your sister?
That is a better measure of a man than whether or not they won a Stanley Cup.
He coaches junior Hockey too.
Wendel was a true warrior and I have been around the game for many years and I have never seen anyone play with so much heart.
Wendel was a goal scorer, plain and simple. He did not have much of a creative side at all and he also was on a horrible Leafs team for many years.
He hit like a freight train and took on all of the heavyweights of the league which obviously took its toll on his back.
He will never make the HOF because of his point totals, not because of his heart.
He is a first rate class act and is the epitome of a true hockey warrior.
Wendel was a goal scorer, plain and simple. He did not have much of a creative side at all and he also was on a horrible Leafs team for many years.
He hit like a freight train and took on all of the heavyweights of the league which obviously took its toll on his back.
He will never make the HOF because of his point totals, not because of his heart.
He is a first rate class act and is the epitome of a true hockey warrior.
While I am not a Leafs fan, I like Wendel. He was the type of player you would have hated to play against and as a fan of opposing teams, you hated to see playing against your team. It is hard to say anything bad about the guy, he left it all out on the ice every night and he always came across as being very genuine. Just a good old farm boy from Sask. Not many teams would turn down the chance to have a player like him on their team, a player who was as tough as nails and had the heart of a giant. Good for him to have his jersey retired because he meant so much to the Leafs and he deserves such an honour.
As for Roy, congrats to him too and this is coming from a Bruins fan and a Habs hater. Another player you have to respect for what he did on the ice.
As for Roy, congrats to him too and this is coming from a Bruins fan and a Habs hater. Another player you have to respect for what he did on the ice.
