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What Americans Fear Most In The JFK Assassination, Part 1

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Philip - History channel did the physics, including I believe shooting cadavers and conclude it was a shot from behind not the grassy knoll. I'll see if the episode is on YouTube or wherever. In the meantime here is a quick write up of that. https://www.history.com/news/jfk-assassination-grassy-knoll-theory-debunked
I’ve read lots of evidence supporting the single bullet theory. I’ve also read lots of evidence supporting the magic bullet theory. I’ve seen almost every known conspiracy and coverup theory.

I don’t think anybody really knows what really happened. I don’t even think Jim Garrison knew what the hell happened. For all we know Lee Harvey Oswald doesn’t know what the hell happened lol. Maybe he was “just a patsy.”

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I’ve read lots of evidence supporting the single bullet theory. I’ve also read lots of evidence supporting the magic bullet theory. I’ve seen almost every known conspiracy and coverup theory.

I don’t think anybody really knows what really happened. I don’t even think Jim Garrison knew what the hell happened. For all we know Lee Harvey Oswald doesn’t know what the hell happened lol. Maybe he was “just a patsy.”

Philip
The doco i saw froze the zapruder film when the first shot hit JFK in the neck and exited his tie...Connolly had turned around after the first shot missed etc thus the path from neck to connolly's side was a straight line. Again, I'll find the doco they detail this very carefully. Now...was Oswald a patsy? He seemed to think so...until Jack ruby sorted him out.
 

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The doco i saw froze the zapruder film when the first shot hit JFK in the neck and exited his tie...Connolly had turned around after the first shot missed etc thus the path from neck to connolly's side was a straight line. Again, I'll find the doco they detail this very carefully. Now...was Oswald a patsy? He seemed to think so...until Jack ruby sorted him out.
I’ve seen many of the single bullet theory documentaries broken down into a science. I’ve also seen documentaries debunking the single bullet theory broken down to a science. I’ve seen stuff about the umbrella man, witnesses that heard shots from the grassy knoll, and just about every angle of theory.

I’m actually more curious about the relationship between Jack Ruby and Oswald. That’s some interesting stuff right there. I’m also pretty interested in this video footage of this woman holding a baby on the parade route. It’s nowhere to be found in the original parade route broadcast footage, yet you see her in black-and-white in some documentaries, and then she appears in Technicolor in the Oliver Stone movie.

I’m more interested in if this lady is real or not. Is she an actress?? Lol.

Philip

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Really not much has changed at all these places in almost sixty years. You can pretty much get the feel of the times and the situations. You can still eat at the mob hangout Campisi's where Ruby ate the night before the assassination. Hmm.
Many structures are the same in this area. When I went to the 6th floor museum, I obtained a copy of the Dallas morning news from after the assassination (copies of the entire 1963 newspaper are being sold by panhandlers in the area). Looking through the newspaper, and reading the ads from Dallas department stores, job postings and apartment rentals etc etc... It becomes pretty clear that this entire neighborhood was once the heartbeat of Dallas. Like many American cities, with the focus on one primary industry of employment, my guess is Dallas was once at least partly based around the railway (which cuts through the bridge over the triple underpass).

Texas is a cool place. I actually love the San Antonio area personally. The River Walk, Great BBQ, amazingly fresh sushi from H-E-B lol.

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....maybe JFK had enough of his damn Cuba stress, and simply shot himself. Lmao.

Philip

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I used to be a conspiracy guy, mainly because of the way his head snapped back from the fatal shot, as if it come from the front (grassy knoll). But expects have said the head could snap back from a shot from the rear.
But mostly, the reason I now believe Oswald acted alone (with perhaps some intel from Ted Cruz's dad) is that it would be impossible to keep a conspiracy of that magnitude under wraps. Someone would have talked in the years that followed, either for financial gain or perhaps a deathbed confession.
So fuck Oliver Stone.
 

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Omg. We're on THIS again. So many possible motives for so many people and foreign governments and agencies both foreign and domestic to want to kill Kennedy. So many people also wanted to kill FDR and Reagan and Obama. But the number one thing that killed Kennedy was DRIVING IN A CONVERTIBLE FOR FUCK SAKES !!! What idiot thinks it's a good idea to drive the president around in a convertible. By the scant reading I've done on this one detail of the assassination I'm guessing it was his idea to use the convertible to boost his image before the upcoming '64 election. Moronic moronic moronic. He put his own head on a silver platter. But he made things much safer for future presidents.
 

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Totally miscellaneous....

Four out of seven members of the Warren Commission, were born in the 1800s. Like holly fuck! And then Kennedy, being the first American president ever born in the 1900s.

The real Jim Garrison, played Earl Warren in the JFK Oliver Stone movie. The girl that plays Carrie in the movie Carrie - pig blood dumped on her at the prom, plays Garrisons wife. I like Joe Pesci in that movie. I thought Gary Oldman played a good Oswald. Ed Asner, John Candy, Kevin Bacon, Donald Sutherland, Tommy Lee Jones etc etc .... The reviews were a little mixed, but I thought the cast of that movie, and the acting was great.

Cool things. Totally miscellaneous post about this lol.

Philip
 
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We went to the sixth floor museum. They have an actual display, where you can go up to the actual window Oswald would’ve shot from and look right down to the X on the street Kennedy was shot. I actually hired a tour guide as well
I was there about 10 years ago and I don't recall being able to go up to the window. Maybe the tour guide had access? Or perhaps it was just closed the day that I was there (could have been a Sunday).

But, yes, standing by the grassy knoll and standing on the X gave me chills.
 

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I was there about 10 years ago and I don't recall being able to go up to the window. Maybe the tour guide had access? Or perhaps it was just closed the day that I was there (could have been a Sunday).

But, yes, standing by the grassy knoll and standing on the X gave me chills.
It does give you chills because it's the site of one of the most historic events in the U.S. and it's well-preserved. Standing there, you feel like you've gone back in time to Nov. 22, 1963. Being an open-ended mystery (possibly) adds to the eerie feeling.
I've been there twice. The Sixth Floor Museum tour is great. They did allow us on the sixth floor and near the window where the shots were fired. It was walled off with clear glass from what I recall, so you can't actually reach the window. Boxes positioned there like, I assume, they were that day.
I also believe they marked the spot on the road where JFK was when hit by the fatal shot.
Like someone said in a previous post, a complete fail by the Secret Service to allow him to ride in an uncovered limo.
 

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I was there about 10 years ago and I don't recall being able to go up to the window. Maybe the tour guide had access? Or perhaps it was just closed the day that I was there (could have been a Sunday).

But, yes, standing by the grassy knoll and standing on the X gave me chills.
Lol. I’m obsessed with JFK. I went there for Canadian Thanksgiving weekend last year. A 5 day weekend. Awesome amazing blast of a weekend. Landing in Dallas, spent the day in Dealey Plaza, then took a night drive for over four hours to San Antonio through a rapid electricity knock out lightning storm, which I later found out produced a tornado during my pull over nap near Waco. Lol. Went to Six Flags Fiesta, and had tickets to the Austin City Lights festival and saw The Cure for me, and Billy Eilish for my daughter. Austin 90 minute drive from San Antonio. Departed from San Antonio airport back to Toronto at the end.

Aside from my totally off point trip log.....

That was my first time at the Sixth Floor Museum. They have on the museum level chronological order of Kennedy‘s presidency history up until his assassination. An audio headphone guide type thing. Press the number to hear about each exhibit that is also numbered etc etc. They have a replica area in sealed off plexiglass casing, of the way the school book depository would’ve looked with certain crates and boxes etc etc. then they have a window which is also a replica of the window Oswald would’ve shot from, and the window overlooks the triple underpass. I posted a photo from looking out of that window, another post I made in this thread. BUT this is the cool part, there’s a private staircase near the elevators up to the museum, that goes up to the actual window Oswald shot from. I didn’t go up there so I don’t know what’s up there or how it looks, but it’s a private staircase that goes directly to the actual window, and this is situated beside the elevator entry area of the museum. But from the museum level itself, with the picture I posted, it’s apparently one floor directly underneath the actual window. This one floor lower replica window, is on the museum level directly beneath. Pretty awesome experience. And this is all while parking my rental car, behind the grassy knoll.

I have tons of videos and pictures from this day. Just an amazing experience. The buzz in the area, cannot be put into words. I didn’t even know about the museum until a month before I went. They must’ve gone through all sorts of changes in 10 years. I would’ve figured the building was still the school book depository, before I was even aware that it was a museum.

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OMG, it just dawned on me. Isn't the X on the street somehow racist? Will BLM paint over it? :oops:
 

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Danmand is correct. Circumstantial evidence is enough to convict or at least, establish reasonable doubt for the accused, Lee Harvey Oswald. I have studied this case for over 30 years, have attended conferences, associated with researchers, been to Dallas many times, and even knew a Toronto researcher that was visited by a CIA agent (probably, not admitted though) in the early 90s.

It is ironic that the famous Manson prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, who wrote the lone gunman tome, Reclaiming History, arguing that Lee Harvey Oswald did it, wrote this about circumstantial evidence when he was campaigning for AG of L.A. and wanted to resurrect the case of the RFK Assassination:

"Conspiracies are proven bit by bit, speck by speck, brick by brick,
until all of a sudden you have a mosaic. They are proven by circumstantial
evidence. Conspiracies are conceived in shadowy recesses. They are not hatched
on television in front of 5,000,000 witnesses." page 304 from "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - The Conspiracy
and Coverup" by William Turner & Jonn Christian, paperback edition 2006.

Nobody has ever duplicated what Oswald was alleged to have done. Only one man got 2 hits in 3 shots in the 'required' time, but only after his 3rd attempt, and he was a weapons engineer (Howard Donahue, who wrote the book Mortal Error, in which he concluded that Secret Service Agent George Hickey let off a round from his AR-15 by accident that fatally struck JFK from behind. However, analysis of the film taken by Charles Bronson (not the actor) from the opposite direction of Abraham Zapruder, does not support this theory. Nor were there any witnesses on Elm street that saw this happen.). And the Mannlicher-Carcano that Donahue used was in good working order too. Even a famous American sniper (can't recall his name at the moment) says that Oswald could not have made the shots.

Anyways, I can go on and on and on and on. And will return later to comment more, but have a date :)

Lee Harvey Oswald was no lone nut. Why on earth did they classify millions of pages of documents (most of which have been released) if a lone nut did it? What a crock! There are about 30,000 pages still locked up, and despite the JFK Records Act of 1992, Donald Trump caved to pressure from mostly likely the CIA and possibly FBI to not comply with that legislation and hold off. (Google Dan Hardaway's paper CIA Flips Off America. Dan Hardaway was a young legal investigator during the House Select Committee on Assassination's investigation in the mid 70s which concluded that JFK was probably murdered as a result of conspiracy by unknown persons, but leaned towards the Mob. However, the late George Joannides of the CIA, basically told Hardaway to fuck off, as he controlled the flow of info from the CIA. The Mob did work with the CIA in trying to get rid of Castro, but as far as their involvement goes, I would say it was getting Ruby to silence Oswald, and maybe having a hit man or two in Dealey Plaza).

In fact, Dr. John Newman, an ex-intelligence analyst for the military, has concluded that Oswald was probably a fake defector (run out of Nagshead facility in Georgia or the Carolinas) working for James Jesus Angelton (who I would call the equivalent of the Cigarette Smoking Man), head of the CIA's Counter-Intelligence Department, in search of a Russian mole within the CIA, based on his examination of documents and routing slips. Newman has written some monumental books on this subject (Oswald & The CIA, JFK and Vietnam, and some current ones like Into The Storm).

If you want to read some excellent research papers on the assassination, visit these websites which are not tin foil hat but scholarly ('Home' is Michael T. Griffith's excellent website, Kennedy and King is DiEugenio's, JFK Facts is by Jefferson Morley who has sued the CIA):




A great book is JFK And The Unspeakable by James W. Douglas, as well as books by James DiEugenio, Jefferson Morley, D.B. Thomas. Another 3 volume book that shows reasonable doubt in favour of Oswald, is Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald, by Barry Krusch (he has a website with a free appendix IIRC, and there's a You Tube video where he counters Bill O'Reilly's Killing Kennedy hypothesis).

Josiah Thompson who wrote one of the first great books Six Seconds in Dallas (a microstudy), will come out with a new book in the fall, entitled Last Second In Dallas (I saw his presentation in Dallas a couple of years ago with new analyses that is eye-opening).

Just want to conclude before I jet off that the CIA put out a memo in 1967 to quell critics of the Warren Commission, calling them Conspiracy Theorists, and urged their "assets" in the news media and elsewhere, to discredit the critics, labeling them conspiracy theorists and other reasons why they are wrong.

If I may quote Richard Syrett (who hails from our city and broadcasts on Zoomer Radio with the Conspiracy Show, as well as a blog, and sometimes hosts Coast to Coast for George Noory in L.A.), he aptly says:

CONSPIRACY IS NOT A THEORY. IT'S A CRIME!

(It is interesting to note that a Cdn legal case, United States vs Dynar 1997, ruled that a conspiracy need not be proven by the identity or conviction of all or any of the conspirators, just that a plan to commit a crime was hatched).

P.S. The JFK (and RFK) Assassinations are still relevent today because they are cold cases, and the truth has not come out. Their murders affected American policy, and perhaps the way things ran for decades thereafter. History cannot persist as a lie.

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Totally miscellaneous....

Four out of seven members of the Warren Commission, were born in the 1800s. Like holly fuck! And then Kennedy, being the first American president ever born in the 1900s.

The real Jim Garrison, played Earl Warren in the JFK Oliver Stone movie. The girl that plays Carrie in the movie Carrie - pig blood dumped on her at the prom, plays Garrisons wife. I like Joe Pesci in that movie. I thought Gary Oldman played a good Oswald. Ed Asner, John Candy, Kevin Bacon, Donald Sutherland, Tommy Lee Jones etc etc .... The reviews were a little mixed, but I thought the cast of that movie, and the acting was great.

Cool things. Totally miscellaneous post about this lol.

Philip
Gary Oldman was really great, yes. I think there's an anniversary edition of the movie JFK that includes comments by the various actors, including Oldman. Tommy Lee Jones I think was nominated for an Academy Award (if not win one for supporting actor?).
 

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Gary Oldman was really great, yes. I think there's an anniversary edition of the movie JFK that includes comments by the various actors, including Oldman. Tommy Lee Jones I think was nominated for an Academy Award (if not win one for supporting actor?).
I am going to read your post before this last one in fine detail very shortly. It looks extremely interesting!! In the mean time, I will leave you with this amazing visual. Lee to the left, and Gary to the right lol.....

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Danmand is correct. Circumstantial evidence is enough to convict or at least, establish reasonable doubt for the accused, Lee Harvey Oswald. I have studied this case for over 30 years, have attended conferences, associated with researchers, been to Dallas many times, and even knew a Toronto researcher that was visited by a CIA agent (probably, not admitted though) in the early 90s.

It is ironic that the famous Manson prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, who wrote the lone gunman tome, Reclaiming History, arguing that Lee Harvey Oswald did it, wrote this about circumstantial evidence when he was campaigning for AG of L.A. and wanted to resurrect the case of the RFK Assassination:

"Conspiracies are proven bit by bit, speck by speck, brick by brick,
until all of a sudden you have a mosaic. They are proven by circumstantial
evidence. Conspiracies are conceived in shadowy recesses. They are not hatched
on television in front of 5,000,000 witnesses." page 304 from "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - The Conspiracy
and Coverup" by William Turner & Jonn Christian, paperback edition 2006.

Nobody has ever duplicated what Oswald was alleged to have done. Only one man got 2 hits in 3 shots in the 'required' time, but only after his 3rd attempt, and he was a weapons engineer (Howard Donahue, who wrote the book Mortal Error, in which he concluded that Secret Service Agent George Hickey let off a round from his AR-15 by accident that fatally struck JFK from behind. However, analysis of the film taken by Charles Bronson (not the actor) from the opposite direction of Abraham Zapruder, does not support this theory. Nor were there any witnesses on Elm street that saw this happen.). And the Mannlicher-Carcano that Donahue used was in good working order too. Even a famous American sniper (can't recall his name at the moment) says that Oswald could not have made the shots.

Anyways, I can go on and on and on and on. And will return later to comment more, but have a date :)

Lee Harvey Oswald was no lone nut. Why on earth did they classify millions of pages of documents (most of which have been released) if a lone nut did it? What a crock! There are about 30,000 pages still locked up, and despite the JFK Records Act of 1992, Donald Trump caved to pressure from mostly likely the CIA and possibly FBI to not comply with that legislation and hold off. (Google Dan Hardaway's paper CIA Flips Off America. Dan Hardaway was a young legal investigator during the House Select Committee on Assassination's investigation in the mid 70s which concluded that JFK was probably murdered as a result of conspiracy by unknown persons, but leaned towards the Mob. However, the late George Joannides of the CIA, basically told Hardaway to fuck off, as he controlled the flow of info from the CIA. The Mob did work with the CIA in trying to get rid of Castro, but as far as their involvement goes, I would say it was getting Ruby to silence Oswald, and maybe having a hit man or two in Dealey Plaza).

In fact, Dr. John Newman, an ex-intelligence analyst for the military, has concluded that Oswald was probably a fake defector (run out of Nagshead facility in Georgia or the Carolinas) working for James Jesus Angelton (who I would call the equivalent of the Cigarette Smoking Man), head of the CIA's Counter-Intelligence Department, in search of a Russian mole within the CIA, based on his examination of documents and routing slips. Newman has written some monumental books on this subject (Oswald & The CIA, JFK and Vietnam, and some current ones like Into The Storm).

If you want to read some excellent research papers on the assassination, visit these websites which are not tin foil hat but scholarly ('Home' is Michael T. Griffith's excellent website, Kennedy and King is DiEugenio's, JFK Facts is by Jefferson Morley who has sued the CIA):




A great book is JFK And The Unspeakable by James W. Douglas, as well as books by James DiEugenio, Jefferson Morley, D.B. Thomas. Another 3 volume book that shows reasonable doubt in favour of Oswald, is Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald, by Barry Krusch (he has a website with a free appendix IIRC, and there's a You Tube video where he counters Bill O'Reilly's Killing Kennedy hypothesis).

Josiah Thompson who wrote one of the first great books Six Seconds in Dallas (a microstudy), will come out with a new book in the fall, entitled Last Second In Dallas (I saw his presentation in Dallas a couple of years ago with new analyses that is eye-opening).

Just want to conclude before I jet off that the CIA put out a memo in 1967 to quell critics of the Warren Commission, calling them Conspiracy Theorists, and urged their "assets" in the news media and elsewhere, to discredit the critics, labeling them conspiracy theorists and other reasons why they are wrong.

If I may quote Richard Syrett (who hails from our city and broadcasts on Zoomer Radio with the Conspiracy Show, as well as a blog, and sometimes hosts Coast to Coast for George Noory in L.A.), he aptly says:

CONSPIRACY IS NOT A THEORY. IT'S A CRIME!

(It is interesting to note that a Cdn legal case, United States vs Dynar 1997, ruled that a conspiracy need not be proven by the identity or conviction of all or any of the conspirators, just that a plan to commit a crime was hatched).

P.S. The JFK (and RFK) Assassinations are still relevent today because they are cold cases, and the truth has not come out. Their murders affected American policy, and perhaps the way things ran for decades thereafter. History cannot persist as a lie.

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Thank you for this post.

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I am going to read your post before this last one in fine detail very shortly. It looks extremely interesting!! In the mean time, I will leave you with this amazing visual. Lee to the left, and Gary to the right lol.....

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Philip
That is certainly amazing.

However, have you heard of John Armstrong and his incredible book Harvey and Lee? He writes about Lee Harvey Oswald doubles or impostors (there is some evidence to strongly indicate that there was a Lee Harvey Oswald impostor floating about to incriminate him in the time before the assassination but I don't know about doubles). I downloaded his book for free somewhere but can't recall where. However, you can visit his website and have access to a plethora of research material, including access to the 101,000 documents that he donated to Baylor University in Waco, Texas. But his website is pretty amazing and filled with information. Coincidentally, he also had side by side photos depicting Lee Harvey Oswald at various points in his life, but some he says are of a double.

 

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Here's another great reference site for anybody, including the novice who wishes to get some answers:

 
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