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Nesbot

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The tweet was deleted and it’s very dangerous to try and retaliate blindly against someone when the person they assaulted is unknown or doesn’t want it to happen. I will not put someone at risk for retaliation. So I blacklist them but stay out of it. I don’t personally know everyone these things happened to. Their friends just sent me the info for the blacklists. When we have no info it makes it impossible to prevent them from doing it again. That’s why at least if they do give real info and hurt someone we can make a private record of it. But it’s always up to the provider if they want to press charges and I’m not going to put anyone at risk. Especially since the person who beat the shit out of 2 providers keeps doing this. Everyone around them knows and they still keep getting away with it. Some powerful men have enough money and connections to ensure they’re untouchable for the time being. I have no idea the case with that European guy who drugged and raped the Indy provider. But he’s head of a small company and knowingly used his business email address to book and later assaulted with no regard.

Working Indy and alone is dangerous. I don’t wish that anyone be isolated and have no network or access to blacklists. Any and all screening methods are better than being blind and trusting someone without doing a few basic checks in the community or on the blacklists when you have a bad feeling about someone.

There are also terb members you guys don’t know about who hurt providers. This is all behind the scenes because to the frequent posters here their privacy and anonymity matter more than our safety. So all we can do is warn others privately. It’s not just random foreigners who hurt providers. There’s definitely guys on the board doing this too. Common courtesy is not the norm for every client and every type of guy books sex workers here not just the “nice guys”.
It sucks that there are sexual predators on this board, but I’m not surprised. Some guys talk a sweet game but every now and then they slip up and put out irrational rants that reveal exactly what they are.
 

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The tweet was deleted and it’s very dangerous to try and retaliate blindly against someone when the person they assaulted is unknown or doesn’t want it to happen. I will not put someone at risk for retaliation. So I blacklist them but stay out of it. I don’t personally know everyone these things happened to. Their friends just sent me the info for the blacklists. When we have no info it makes it impossible to prevent them from doing it again. That’s why at least if they do give real info and hurt someone we can make a private record of it. But it’s always up to the provider if they want to press charges and I’m not going to put anyone at risk. Especially since the person who beat the shit out of 2 providers keeps doing this. Everyone around them knows and they still keep getting away with it. Some powerful men have enough money and connections to ensure they’re untouchable for the time being. I have no idea the case with that European guy who drugged and raped the Indy provider. But he’s head of a small company and knowingly used his business email address to book and later assaulted with no regard.

Working Indy and alone is dangerous. I don’t wish that anyone be isolated and have no network or access to blacklists. Any and all screening methods are better than being blind and trusting someone without doing a few basic checks in the community or on the blacklists when you have a bad feeling about someone.

There are also terb members you guys don’t know about who hurt providers. This is all behind the scenes because to the frequent posters here their privacy and anonymity matter more than our safety. So all we can do is warn others privately. It’s not just random foreigners who hurt providers. There’s definitely guys on the board doing this too. Common courtesy is not the norm for every client and every type of guy books sex workers here not just the “nice guys”.
How has the repeat offender you described (who you said has given ID in the past) kept finding victims when he's (I'm assuming) on multiple blacklists? Is it just a matter of indies not having access to the blacklists?

I feel like there has to be a massive leap of improvement waiting out there for some kind of tech-based improvement for making closer-to-universal blacklists more widely available, although I'm not smart enough to imagine specific ways in which that could be designed while also preserving its integrity/keeping clients from having (or buying) access and tampering.

Powerful men are pretty much the dogshit scum of the earth. I've heard a somewhat similar story from an agency worker whose agency knowingly courts the business of a violent repeat offender -- without being transparent and telling their escorts what they might be getting into -- because of how lucrative it is for them..
 

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How has the repeat offender you described (who you said has given ID in the past) kept finding victims when he's (I'm assuming) on multiple blacklists? Is it just a matter of indies not having access to the blacklists?

I feel like there has to be a massive leap of improvement waiting out there for some kind of tech-based improvement for making closer-to-universal blacklists more widely available, although I'm not smart enough to imagine specific ways in which that could be designed while also preserving its integrity/keeping clients from having (or buying) access and tampering.

Powerful men are pretty much the dogshit scum of the earth. I've heard a somewhat similar story from an agency worker whose agency knowingly courts the business of a violent repeat offender -- without being transparent and telling their escorts what they might be getting into -- because of how lucrative it is for them..
You’ve essentially got the right idea, there is just no ONE blacklist that’s universal or at least regional so all SWers within a community can use it. Blacklists can also often be accessed only with memberships through organizations, which make them harder to access, especially for the vulnerable SWers like the newbies, survival SWers or the ones battling with mental health. The privacy of blacklists is for good reasons of course, but it does make it challenging. There are some public ones on reddit, discord or verify-him but they often lack the full info needed, or are often accessed by the blacklisted clients themselves.

There is definitely room for improvement on accessible blacklists, but dealing with a pseudo illegal industry makes it harder for anyone to want to invest in such a tool unfortunately.

I support blacklists, don’t get me wrong, but it’ll always be a band aid solution and a privilege for the SWers who have access to them. The real issue is decriminalizing sex work AND decriminalizing the buying of sex as well as de-stigmatizing both.
 
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hoffa68

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Thanks everyone. I haven't really been in terb much over the last several months so I read this entire thread to avoid some work I didnt want to do.
 
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Tonycando123

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Ottawa scene is terrible for clients seeking SPs. The well reviewed SPs here are too thick or old or not often available or over my budget or simply not my cup of tea. Also Screening is not an option for me.

Really hard to find a SP who's good looking, young, fit and full GFE(dfk, daty, bbbj, digits) in this town. Which is so easy in Toronto. Ottawa really needs a couple of good escort agencies with multiple locations.

Toronto has a huge selection of hot and young SPs at agencies who're real GFE providers. I hobby for the variety. If I was interested in just one regular then dating would be a better option.

I honestly think the Spas/MAs have ruined the SP scene here. With the lack of selection and variety at escort agencies, clients end up at Spas overpaying for extras or sadly sometimes trying to push boundaries with MAs who don't offer it.

I think if SP seeking clients stop going to Spas and spend their resources on SPs it would help improve the SP scene. Every client should do a TOFFT at least once a month and post their experience either good or bad. Drive out the scammers by posting reviews. Review the good ones too so they're busy enough to stay. Just my 2 cents.
Seems like
The situation is still the same. Tried a couple over the last year... haven’t reviews anyone cause I’m waiting to have seen 6 to be able to have some comparisons, seems like the fairest thing to do.
amyone have any suggestions or thoughts ?
 

Capital Amatuer

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If this was still February, 2020 maybe.
I'm thinking this statement could mean many possibilities; one, it's tougher to travel in Quebec because of lock-down curfews; two, there's less supply; three, services are more restrictive and many more reasons. Too many legitimate businesses have suffered, why should underground activities be any different ? Just throwing it out there...
 

Old-dude

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Just sharing my thoughts: IMO the current Ottawa scene is the best it has been in a long time in terms of quality and quantity thanks to the competition between spas. They introduced a lot of new talent to the industry and continue to bring a steady flow every day. Yes they start as MAs but most become SPs in one form or the other. The rates are rising and like anything else you get what you pay for
 

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In February 2020, when this thread reached its previous end, Ottawa was great for the MA scene. There were lots of excellent spas and independents to choose from. On the SP side, there were established providers, hybrids and some regular tours but no local agencies like Pink Kitty.

After almost a year of COVID, the spas are closed or outcall-only and independent providers of both the MA and SP type are either waiting it out or seeing a handful of clients while charging a premium for it.

Leolist remains Leolist, except there's probably even less gold for the dedicated miners to find.

I doubt things are much different in Toronto or Montreal. We're all trapped under the weight of the pandemic.
 

MikeO

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We're all trapped under the weight of the pandemic.
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...and spending more time on Terb than we are on actually seeking out and enjoying 'dates' with the ladies.
 

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I know some may have had issues but man I miss PK escorts! I wish some of those ladies were still around!
It was safe and reliable, you saw who advertised to be on that day, called, booked an appointment and you were set for a good time. There have been a couple of Asian agencies since that were equally reliable as well, but they seem to be gone. I miss Pink Kitty, it was hassle free and reliable.
 

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I know some may have had issues but man I miss PK escorts! I wish some of those ladies were still around!
What ever happened to Raine? Anyone know?
It was safe and reliable, you saw who advertised to be on that day, called, booked an appointment and you were set for a good time. There have been a couple of Asian agencies since that were equally reliable as well, but they seem to be gone. I miss Pink Kitty, it was hassle free and reliable.
So true!! Reference Asian agencies though, I have mostly given up on those. I have usually had an okay time but I was never quite sure what girl I was going to be sent and it was always a roll of the dice on what service they would actually be okay with regardless of previous agreements. They always say yes to kissing but seldom do and the girl can’t speak English. I would love to reconnect with Raine. Might have been older but hard to find that enthusiasm at the moment!!
 

Capital Amatuer

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I know some may have had issues but man I miss PK escorts! I wish some of those ladies were still around!
I can think of three ladies that are still around. Or at least I've seen them advertise within the past year.
Remember, when the ladies moved on they changed names. There was an issue that made the paper, but let's not go there. Out of respect for the ladies, I'm not going to connect the dots, so don't ask. Thanks
 
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PK didn’t offer nice quality condo Incalls like so many Agencies in Montreal and elsewhere do, correct? Oh please tell me I didn’t miss out on that! :oops:
 

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PK didn’t offer nice quality condo Incalls like so many Agencies in Montreal and elsewhere do, correct? Oh please tell me I didn’t miss out on that! :oops:
To add to what MP says, yes, they had 2 (more?) condo setups before they had to move to hotels and things started to dwindle. I also definitely miss PK. My first Pink Kitty was Emily J in 2012 who soon after went indy and the rest is history!!! (Let's see: Emily J, Rain, Blonde Ashley, Paige, Bella, Harmony, and Cherry; very nice variety, if I do say so myself)
 

Nesbot

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I saw Betty at PK. Wow. I don't think of met that level of sexual energy since. The things that she said to me....geeeeez.
 
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