What have the Liberals done for Toronto???

johnhenrygalt

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Trudeau left Canada with the largest deficits and debts ever as a percentage of GDP. We had double digit inflation and double digit unemployment. And to top it off, his mean-spirited and idiotic NEP killed the one sector of the economy which was showing promise.

Mulroney left office with high deficits but with an operating surplus. In other words, but for the interest on the Trudeau spending spree, the Tories ran a surplus. Tory economic policies brought inflation down and set the stage for interest rates to fall.

Once interest rates fell, a large part of the deficit problem solved itself. Remember again that Mulroney had acheived operating surpluses. All that was left was to cut the transfer payments to provinces (one of several good things the Liberals did in the opinion of this Tory) and the deficit was solved.

I don't follow Ontario provincial politics - but federal income taxes have been cut over the last several years. All provinces are free to have used this as an opportunity to raise provincial taxes without increasing the overall tax burden of their citizenry. If your province failed to do this, take it up with the provincial politicians (as you did by throwing the Harris/Eves group out).

It is curious though that the three provinces which were run by right-of-centre provincial governments since WWII (Alberta - Socreds from 1935-1970 and PCs from 1970 to the present; Ontario - The "big blue machine" until Peterson, then Death Rae, but then back to Conservatism; and BC - Socreds up to the early '90s but for one NDP term, then NDP, then right-of-centre provincial Liberals) are the three provinces with the best performance over the last half century. Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Quebec, with their regular experimentations with left-of-centre governments since the 1960s, continue to trail the other three.
 

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Judas H said:
Everyone is worried what could happen in Toronto, and no one cares that NOTHING has happened to this city under the Liberal government.
Yes, that is because Harper's numbers are all screwed up. Some major items are omitted in his calculations. Noone really knows what he will cut to achieve his financial goals. There is no question that Toronto would be worse off under Harper.
 

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Judas H said:
There is more hidden money in other scandals that we don't know about yet. If harper spends all that scandal money on social programs, we'll be okay.
Spending big on social programs has never been a Conservative philosophy.
It won't happen under a Harper government. On the contrary many ( as yet undefined programs ) will be cut or suspended. At the same, time several billion will be diverted to an expanded military.
 

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Economics 101

A reduction in taxes stimulates savings, investment, consumer spending. This in turn creates jobs and more people paying taxes.
This was the formula used by the Harris Conservatives. Yes they cut provincial taxes by 30% but they also increased the Ontario surtax (Ontario Fair Share Health Care Levy) which hits in on taxable incomes in excess of $58,000) Under Harris personal tax revenues increased, just not at a rate of what was needed to sustain the health care spending. Couple that with a cut in the provincial transfer payments (Ontario sending more and more money to Ottawa and getting less and less in return) and you get the picture. Why do you think McGuinty, Miller and gang are holding their hands out. People listen now but weren't listening in late 90's when Eves was saying the same thing. Its all about politics.
 

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Judas H said:
Why does Toronto support the Liberals? It can't be immigrants anymore because the skilled immigrants aren't allowed to work in their chosen profession.


What ever happened to the waterfront deal?
Will Harper be Good for the Province or Bad?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...604&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795
"While there is nothing explicitly anti-Ontario in the [Conservative]platform, much of it could be interpreted as adversarial to this province."
 

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johnhenrygalt said:
Actually they don't "take care" of Quebec cities at all. And nor should they. Municipalities are within the exclusive legislative jurisdiction of the Provinces. Ottawa should keep its grubby fingers out of the nation's cities.
Where do you think quebec gets its revenues from - some of that is federal trannsfers! Indirectly Ottawa funds municipalities. Quebec's economy is not vital enough to provide for the quality municipal services Montrealers receive. The fact is that there is roughly $10B tax revenue paid by metro toronto in excess of any federal spending in this city. That money essentially goes to quebec and the maritimes. Torontonians like you have been fleeced for quite a few years and don't even have the comon sense to know it!! Keep sleeping, they're having lots of fun with your money.
 
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