What is destroying the youth of today the most?
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Not sure I agree that the youth of today is being destroyed. I know lots of great teens.
What are you basing your statement on?
What are you basing your statement on?
... Holier-than-thou old people who constantly give kids grief and act like they never did anything stupid when they were young. 
It's a chicken or egg thing. Why blame the kids when it's their parents who are responsible for raising them. I think it's a cop out by adults to simply blame kids for their behaviour.
Sure, they should be accountable for it. But more often than not, the behaviour can be traced directly back to the parent(s).
Sure, they should be accountable for it. But more often than not, the behaviour can be traced directly back to the parent(s).
Most never learned respect or caring. What's with the ghetto clothes, mannerisms, and language. Too much is given to them, teach them to earn things. No will to work, they show up when they feel like it.
I could go on and on...all of the things in the poll and more.
I could go on and on...all of the things in the poll and more.
It's the rap music because all rappers are TERRORISTS and all major record companies that allow that spew to be broadcast harbor TERRORISTS!
Gyaos Baltar.
Gyaos Baltar.
The parents could've done a good job, but the kids hung out with a bad crowd...the parents don't have any control over who they hang out with at school.Keebler Elf said:
I am 25 and I know this is true. Not all of the above applies to everyone, but to many it does. I just spent 4 years on a university campus, and trust me, the freshmen are not getting smarter. Yes I am guilty of a COUPLE of the above, but most, no... I either left it behind or was never into it.Captain Fantastic said:... Holier-than-thou old people who constantly give kids grief and act like they never did anything stupid when they were young.
I agree completely... usually in life when I know someone stupid, they're parents are as bad or worse.Keebler Elf said:
I'm lucky... My parents were really strict early in life, I fucked up a lot in my teens, but I got my shit together early and learned that life is not fair, noone owes me shit, and I have to bust my ass working if I want to get anywhere.
We'll its a combination of everything really.
A lot of parents a completely useless, and never should have been parents. They only became them because it was the "next step" in their life passage. A lot of kids are also raised in single parent households, without a father figure. This is terrible for the male son. In the black community, the figures are astounding to how many single parent households there are.
Parenting is a lot of hard work, people come home tired after their commute, and just let the kid play Xbox. They have no energy for parenting.
And look at our values: we value people who make money like 50 cent bragging about what a bad ass he is. Do we value teachers, educators, nah....they don't bring in money.
But 25 years from now though, these kids will be parents, and they will also wonder what will happen to the next generation..
A lot of parents a completely useless, and never should have been parents. They only became them because it was the "next step" in their life passage. A lot of kids are also raised in single parent households, without a father figure. This is terrible for the male son. In the black community, the figures are astounding to how many single parent households there are.
Parenting is a lot of hard work, people come home tired after their commute, and just let the kid play Xbox. They have no energy for parenting.
And look at our values: we value people who make money like 50 cent bragging about what a bad ass he is. Do we value teachers, educators, nah....they don't bring in money.
But 25 years from now though, these kids will be parents, and they will also wonder what will happen to the next generation..
* Grabs cane and shakes it *
It's that rock'n roll music. All that long hair and the smoking and peace signs I tell ya.
Back in my day we wore suits to school and listened to Ozzie and Harriet on the music box.
It's that rock'n roll music. All that long hair and the smoking and peace signs I tell ya.
Back in my day we wore suits to school and listened to Ozzie and Harriet on the music box.
This Has Been Going On Almost For Ever !
This is an ongoing thing, every generation thinks the younger generation is going to be the ruin of all mankind.
Supposedly from Socrates:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they allow disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children now are tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross
their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates never wrote anything down. Most of what he is supposed to have said comes from Plato and others.
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and
impatient of restraint.~Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.
And this:
"The world is passing through troubling times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."~Extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274. Probably apochryphal.
Long story short, get over it.
This is an ongoing thing, every generation thinks the younger generation is going to be the ruin of all mankind.Supposedly from Socrates:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they allow disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children now are tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross
their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates never wrote anything down. Most of what he is supposed to have said comes from Plato and others.
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and
impatient of restraint.~Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.
And this:
"The world is passing through troubling times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."~Extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274. Probably apochryphal.
Long story short, get over it.
Well, I personally think that there's something in the water making young girls more beautiful than ever and more ambitious and neutering young males.
In all seriousness however, young males ARE falling off the charts.
Fully two thirds of all University Students are now female. Other than Engineering, virtually ALL professional programs in University are now dominated by females. It is a statistical fact that women will rule western culture in time if this keeps up.
When I went to University in the late 80's it was the era of the preppy, yuppies, button down collars and Alex P. Keaton. Everyone there was busting their ass to get good grades and get a good job and the ratio of males to female was about even. Now either women have come on strong, or males have fallen behind.
I personally think it's young males who are lazy asses because everything is getting handed to them.
I look at my neighbour's kid. 26, never finished HS, doesn't work, if he does get a job, it lasts for maybe a month before he quits, or he gets fired because "it's lame"
Well what did you expect? To start out making 100 grand a year with no education, no skill, no trade, no experience, and no get up and go.
My friend's kids are a pair of lazy asses as well. 18 and never even had a part time job. Just sit around and the parents give them everything.
Maybe I am just getting crusty in my old age.
In all seriousness however, young males ARE falling off the charts.
Fully two thirds of all University Students are now female. Other than Engineering, virtually ALL professional programs in University are now dominated by females. It is a statistical fact that women will rule western culture in time if this keeps up.
When I went to University in the late 80's it was the era of the preppy, yuppies, button down collars and Alex P. Keaton. Everyone there was busting their ass to get good grades and get a good job and the ratio of males to female was about even. Now either women have come on strong, or males have fallen behind.
I personally think it's young males who are lazy asses because everything is getting handed to them.
I look at my neighbour's kid. 26, never finished HS, doesn't work, if he does get a job, it lasts for maybe a month before he quits, or he gets fired because "it's lame"
Well what did you expect? To start out making 100 grand a year with no education, no skill, no trade, no experience, and no get up and go.
My friend's kids are a pair of lazy asses as well. 18 and never even had a part time job. Just sit around and the parents give them everything.
Maybe I am just getting crusty in my old age.
I have noticed that most other guys in their 20's are A) alcoholics and B) getting into trades over degrees. As for B) it makes sense.... the education system was overhauled to accommodate girls in the last few decades, and males have been alienated. Also, degrees don't mean much anymore, and don't guarantee a good, high paying job (unless you are in engineering, medicine, or at an ivy league school). Yes, there are all these women getting PHd's, law degrees, and business degrees, but how many of them are going to be making good money and actually do something important/influential? Then there's the boy who dropped out of HS to get his journeyman ticket, and at age 29 is making $200,000 year while they are just finishing university, only to end up getting a job paying them $30 or $40 000/year. If I had a son finishing HS, I would tell him to either go into engineering, trades, or sales, don't mess around like your friends are, and be super aggressive about working.
I don't see anything wrong with today's youth. They seem well spoken, intelligent and the women nowadays are completely smoking hot; I've embarrassed myself a few times leering at a few stunners. The only thing I find curious is that they seem to prefer talking into or otherwise relating to the gadgets in their hands rather than the people they seem to be hanging out with.
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Personally, I don't see the same decline in young women that I see in young men. It's already been mentioned that universities are flooded with women while enrolment for males has dropped (which works for me, as I'm in a 2-university town! ).
Young men don't seem to have good role models. I don't mean athletes or movie stars or musicians, but real men.
Male-ness has been under attack for decades. It's crushed in the primary school system under the weight of massive over-riding female influence in the classroom and the trustee boards. It's discouraged in high school as traditional male sports like football are cancelled and replaced with music classes. And it's denigrated in universities that include female-only classes in things like gender studies (usually called women's studies).
There's nothing wrong, of course, with music classes or women's studies or anything of the sort, but there's no balance anymore between those and traditional male pastimes.
Young men now often grow up under the delusion that the "nice guy" wins, that consensus is always preferable to tough decision-making, and that gender balance is a prerequisite for an effective organization.
Again, there's nothing wrong with being agreeable, there's nothing wrong with seeking consensus and there's nothing wrong with striving for gender balance. But when those concepts are carved in stone and traditional male ways of doing things are rejected, then there's a problem.
So when boys and men they start to realize they've been lied to, they rebel and turn into jerks, or they become depressed, self-medicate with drugs/booze/distractions and exile themselves.
In short, boys don't grow into men anymore. They grow into what women think men should be.
).Young men don't seem to have good role models. I don't mean athletes or movie stars or musicians, but real men.
Male-ness has been under attack for decades. It's crushed in the primary school system under the weight of massive over-riding female influence in the classroom and the trustee boards. It's discouraged in high school as traditional male sports like football are cancelled and replaced with music classes. And it's denigrated in universities that include female-only classes in things like gender studies (usually called women's studies).
There's nothing wrong, of course, with music classes or women's studies or anything of the sort, but there's no balance anymore between those and traditional male pastimes.
Young men now often grow up under the delusion that the "nice guy" wins, that consensus is always preferable to tough decision-making, and that gender balance is a prerequisite for an effective organization.
Again, there's nothing wrong with being agreeable, there's nothing wrong with seeking consensus and there's nothing wrong with striving for gender balance. But when those concepts are carved in stone and traditional male ways of doing things are rejected, then there's a problem.
So when boys and men they start to realize they've been lied to, they rebel and turn into jerks, or they become depressed, self-medicate with drugs/booze/distractions and exile themselves.
In short, boys don't grow into men anymore. They grow into what women think men should be.
As has been said on here, there always has been, still are, and always will be good teens/youth. From my ex-fiancée being a teacher, I've heard and seen a lot about modern youth.
Some good points raised on here. One I've noticed a lot is kids actually striving for mediocrity rather than striving for excellence. The other big thing, in schools at least, is a sense of entitlement and low work ethic. My ex used to have kids who would be absent 60 out of 80 days in a semester then be pissed off as to why she "didn't GIVE them their credit for the course." Or they would do no work, pass no tests, spend most classes drawing penises in their notebooks then be upset because the teacher didn't GIVE them their credit. Most teachers I've talked to say things ave changed dramatically in the last 8 years since the education system overhaul. Not that they're necessarily bashing Mike Harris (because some really good things came out of that overhaul), but there's no more small marks for behaviour or participation, or work completion, marks cannot be taken off for late assignments, etc....the only things a kid can be marked on are the expectations of each course in the curriculum. While I see where the government was going with that, it's created classroom management nightmates, and kids with no respect, no responsibility, and no work ethic.
Personally, in my work, I've seen technology really hamper a lot of young people's success. Spelling and grammar is probably at an all-time low (despite all the technological advances to help improve this). I noticed a big change in this since MSN and texting became popular. I've seen young people at work write formal letters with no capital letters and think it's totally acceptable.
But I'm not worried. Those with the good work ethic, and those who can properly use capital letters will rise to the top and be successful.
Some good points raised on here. One I've noticed a lot is kids actually striving for mediocrity rather than striving for excellence. The other big thing, in schools at least, is a sense of entitlement and low work ethic. My ex used to have kids who would be absent 60 out of 80 days in a semester then be pissed off as to why she "didn't GIVE them their credit for the course." Or they would do no work, pass no tests, spend most classes drawing penises in their notebooks then be upset because the teacher didn't GIVE them their credit. Most teachers I've talked to say things ave changed dramatically in the last 8 years since the education system overhaul. Not that they're necessarily bashing Mike Harris (because some really good things came out of that overhaul), but there's no more small marks for behaviour or participation, or work completion, marks cannot be taken off for late assignments, etc....the only things a kid can be marked on are the expectations of each course in the curriculum. While I see where the government was going with that, it's created classroom management nightmates, and kids with no respect, no responsibility, and no work ethic.
Personally, in my work, I've seen technology really hamper a lot of young people's success. Spelling and grammar is probably at an all-time low (despite all the technological advances to help improve this). I noticed a big change in this since MSN and texting became popular. I've seen young people at work write formal letters with no capital letters and think it's totally acceptable.
But I'm not worried. Those with the good work ethic, and those who can properly use capital letters will rise to the top and be successful.
