What is your TOP 10 Movies of all time?
- Thread starter PurpleMonkey
- Start date
Question
By the lists provided, it's fairly clear most are in no position to make any judgments on film - not saying my list is the right list - just saying that with one obvious exception, and a couple of nods here and there - the rest of you don't know what you are talking about.
Can we generalize this beyond film?
By the lists provided, it's fairly clear most are in no position to make any judgments on film - not saying my list is the right list - just saying that with one obvious exception, and a couple of nods here and there - the rest of you don't know what you are talking about.
Can we generalize this beyond film?
You shouldn't be too hard on them, TQM. It's a function of limited exposure to non mainstream films. They are drawing their list from a limited source. Most films on their list are fairly recent and American. My exposure to non mainstream films was over 25 years ago when these films were screened regularly at the rep threatres for a dollar per screening. The price was right,so you gamble/exposed yourself to these films and once you uncovered a masterpiece, you're willing to see other films by the same director or same country.
The rep threatre has changed, if it's still around, they mainly screen hollywood films. It's just more difficult to see quality movies, with the exception of the AGO, it's impossible to see foreign films on a regular basis.
The rep threatre has changed, if it's still around, they mainly screen hollywood films. It's just more difficult to see quality movies, with the exception of the AGO, it's impossible to see foreign films on a regular basis.
Can we generalize that you've made a rather pompous statement TQM.TQM said:
I looked at your list and even though Phillipe Noiret is one of my favorite actors, Il Postino is something I leave in the toilet in the morning.
Who's to say that one list is better than another? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everything is subjective, and while there may be an objective truth, that does not mean it is true for everyone.
I don't care if everyone says Citizen Kane was the best movie ever made. I found it unbearably boring. You can call me an idiot if you wish, but don't expect me to like something I don't.
I don't care if everyone says Citizen Kane was the best movie ever made. I found it unbearably boring. You can call me an idiot if you wish, but don't expect me to like something I don't.
I'm to say one list is better than another.
Actually, I believe I've said that already.
Nor am I really saying my list is in any way definitive. I'm just saying that most of what's been listed is nothing short of drivel. And no - it's not entirely subjective. There are reasons Mercedes-Benz's are more money than Mazdas, even if you can find someone who'd prefer the latter. It's just not entirely subjective.
There could easily be 500 other films deserving to be considered - perhaps even 5000. But I can safely claim none of them will have Tom Cruise in it (for instance).
Am I being pompous? - well really only for the purposes of turning a boring discussion into something more reflective. But while any of the 10 posts on my list are worthy of criticism, what I said about others' choices was exceptionally accurate - hard to call that pompous.
Really - I'm not interested in a discussion on whether Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good film or not (etc.) - that point is a given (it's not) - I'm asking you what such a conclusion means with regard to your other views (say about SP's, for instance). If one can be so wildly wrong about film.....
Actually, I believe I've said that already.
Nor am I really saying my list is in any way definitive. I'm just saying that most of what's been listed is nothing short of drivel. And no - it's not entirely subjective. There are reasons Mercedes-Benz's are more money than Mazdas, even if you can find someone who'd prefer the latter. It's just not entirely subjective.
There could easily be 500 other films deserving to be considered - perhaps even 5000. But I can safely claim none of them will have Tom Cruise in it (for instance).
Am I being pompous? - well really only for the purposes of turning a boring discussion into something more reflective. But while any of the 10 posts on my list are worthy of criticism, what I said about others' choices was exceptionally accurate - hard to call that pompous.
Really - I'm not interested in a discussion on whether Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good film or not (etc.) - that point is a given (it's not) - I'm asking you what such a conclusion means with regard to your other views (say about SP's, for instance). If one can be so wildly wrong about film.....
Black
Devdas
Rang De Basanti
Fanaa
Sholay
Taal
Kal Ho Naa Ho
Dhoom 2
Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam
Corporate
long live Bollywood
Devdas
Rang De Basanti
Fanaa
Sholay
Taal
Kal Ho Naa Ho
Dhoom 2
Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam
Corporate
long live Bollywood
No offense TQM but your list has a bunch of safe predictable picks.... I mean come one Citizen Kane.
If you knew anything about movies you'd understand that there are a great many genres and great many purposes for film.
Raiders is a very good action film. I think when most prepared their lists it had more to do with personal tastes. I purposely tried to pick a wide range of movies that I could watch repeatedly.
You are clearly trying to imply that others have bad taste and you know what is really good.
The problem with your line of thinking is that these lists become nothing but a name dropping/ ass kissing contest where people list what they think others want to see on this list to get the approval of others.
I'm quite happy to see mainstream and blockbuster type movies on people's lists because it might make me reconsider watching a movie.
If you knew anything about movies you'd understand that there are a great many genres and great many purposes for film.
Raiders is a very good action film. I think when most prepared their lists it had more to do with personal tastes. I purposely tried to pick a wide range of movies that I could watch repeatedly.
You are clearly trying to imply that others have bad taste and you know what is really good.
The problem with your line of thinking is that these lists become nothing but a name dropping/ ass kissing contest where people list what they think others want to see on this list to get the approval of others.
I'm quite happy to see mainstream and blockbuster type movies on people's lists because it might make me reconsider watching a movie.
Next time we ask people for a list of the ten best films of all time, we'll just ask TQM.
He obviously knows.
(Frankly, TQM, though my post was intended to be a joke, I'd have thought yours was put together by a first year college student. You need to see more films. Try the Film Fest. It's pretty good.)
He obviously knows.
(Frankly, TQM, though my post was intended to be a joke, I'd have thought yours was put together by a first year college student. You need to see more films. Try the Film Fest. It's pretty good.)
Frankcastle
Several points:
1) safe and predictable: The game here wasn't to find unsafe, unpredictable good movies. It was to list the best.
I'm not sure you even understand the notion of "safe and predictable". Hiroshima mon Amour is, in some sense, a very safe and predictable choice - perhaps the safest. But I doubt you have heard of it.
Kane - just on influence alone - makes a good choice for a top 10 list - but I'm just as happy to put in a top 5000 list.
Raiders, on the other hand, is devoid of actors, and therefore, acting. I was an exercise in marketing, not art. Generally, films that have action figure spinoffs, just don't qualify - whether they are successful or not.
The plot of Raiders was utterly facile. The Lord of the Rings films were, though, much worse - for not only did the plots make little or no sense - the idea that computer produced images somehow is a sign of great film is nothing short of surreal.
There were many, many films I left off my list - as I keep saying, I'm happy for any of them to be criticized. Bunuel is missing. Heck - Huston, Hawks, Ford are all missing.
My Kuroswawa pick is all wrong - The Hidden Fortress, The Seven Samurai, Kagemusha, Rashomon, - or perhaps my favourite - Dersu Uzala - should have been there instead.
Several points:
1) safe and predictable: The game here wasn't to find unsafe, unpredictable good movies. It was to list the best.
I'm not sure you even understand the notion of "safe and predictable". Hiroshima mon Amour is, in some sense, a very safe and predictable choice - perhaps the safest. But I doubt you have heard of it.
Kane - just on influence alone - makes a good choice for a top 10 list - but I'm just as happy to put in a top 5000 list.
Raiders, on the other hand, is devoid of actors, and therefore, acting. I was an exercise in marketing, not art. Generally, films that have action figure spinoffs, just don't qualify - whether they are successful or not.
The plot of Raiders was utterly facile. The Lord of the Rings films were, though, much worse - for not only did the plots make little or no sense - the idea that computer produced images somehow is a sign of great film is nothing short of surreal.
There were many, many films I left off my list - as I keep saying, I'm happy for any of them to be criticized. Bunuel is missing. Heck - Huston, Hawks, Ford are all missing.
My Kuroswawa pick is all wrong - The Hidden Fortress, The Seven Samurai, Kagemusha, Rashomon, - or perhaps my favourite - Dersu Uzala - should have been there instead.
Ok TQM i'll humour you; why is Il Postino a piece of crap.
For most of the film it's played out as a romantic comedy with exiled Chilean poet Pablo Neruda as a facilitator. Neruda was adored by women for his erotic verses but he was also a dedicated Marxist who died within days of Salvador Allende. Throughout the film, we are never told why Neruda is in exile in Italy nor does politics play any part in the story until the last five minutes. Then it gets slopped into the picture like a dirty underwear;unannounced and resented. You cannot make When Harry Met Sally and slap a Reds ending to it.
It's disjointed crap....but the sight of Maria Cocinotta did make me rip it through my shorts!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002029/
On a sweeter note...Hey Moet...what's with the Hillary Duff avatar.
For most of the film it's played out as a romantic comedy with exiled Chilean poet Pablo Neruda as a facilitator. Neruda was adored by women for his erotic verses but he was also a dedicated Marxist who died within days of Salvador Allende. Throughout the film, we are never told why Neruda is in exile in Italy nor does politics play any part in the story until the last five minutes. Then it gets slopped into the picture like a dirty underwear;unannounced and resented. You cannot make When Harry Met Sally and slap a Reds ending to it.
It's disjointed crap....but the sight of Maria Cocinotta did make me rip it through my shorts!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002029/
On a sweeter note...Hey Moet...what's with the Hillary Duff avatar.
My favourites (great or not) include:
E.T. - sentimental pick from childhood
Raiders of the Lost Ark - first adult movie I saw
On the Waterfront - for its humanity (my overall favourite)
Miracle on 39th Street - hope
The Graduate - plastics
Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain - pleasure in life's little things
E.T. - sentimental pick from childhood
Raiders of the Lost Ark - first adult movie I saw
On the Waterfront - for its humanity (my overall favourite)
Miracle on 39th Street - hope
The Graduate - plastics
Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain - pleasure in life's little things
TQM,
I have either heard of or seen the movies that you listed..... I drive 30 min to get to a Queen Video so that I can have the selection that Blockbuster and Rogers just can't provide.
Whether a movie has toys or is successful has no bearing on it's quality.
Yeah I've watched movies by Bergman, Felini, Tarkovsky and Kurasawa(spelling on all of these directors) but they are just not my cup of tea.
Let me ask you this if you were to create a list of the best foods would you only focus on savory? For a list of best basketball players would you only focus on scoring? Same kind of logic should be used for movies. Some are good for their script, acting, action, comedy, cinematography, soundtrack, special effects etc. Heck I even put a documentary in my list which some might argue is a different animal all together.
As for LOTR (please note that neither this nor Raiders shows up on my list but I'm more than happy to use them as points of reference). To me I found the movie impressive because I didn't think it would be possible to translate the book to a movie. Which parts didn't make sense?
Now you mention Kane for it's influence..... that's completely different influence vs being the best. Honestly, I was disappointed with the movie because it had the rep of being the greatest movie of all time on many lists. All aspects of the movie were fine but not deserving of the title in my opinion.
I have either heard of or seen the movies that you listed..... I drive 30 min to get to a Queen Video so that I can have the selection that Blockbuster and Rogers just can't provide.
Whether a movie has toys or is successful has no bearing on it's quality.
Yeah I've watched movies by Bergman, Felini, Tarkovsky and Kurasawa(spelling on all of these directors) but they are just not my cup of tea.
Let me ask you this if you were to create a list of the best foods would you only focus on savory? For a list of best basketball players would you only focus on scoring? Same kind of logic should be used for movies. Some are good for their script, acting, action, comedy, cinematography, soundtrack, special effects etc. Heck I even put a documentary in my list which some might argue is a different animal all together.
As for LOTR (please note that neither this nor Raiders shows up on my list but I'm more than happy to use them as points of reference). To me I found the movie impressive because I didn't think it would be possible to translate the book to a movie. Which parts didn't make sense?
Now you mention Kane for it's influence..... that's completely different influence vs being the best. Honestly, I was disappointed with the movie because it had the rep of being the greatest movie of all time on many lists. All aspects of the movie were fine but not deserving of the title in my opinion.
