What will Harper do now....

[dcbogey]

with Omar Khandr?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wkhadr0424/BNStory/National/home

As much as I disagree with the the PM's (and the current government's) stand on this case I also have more than a little problem with a Canadian court seemingly dictating Canadian foreign policy.

 

[oldjones]

Likely he'll demonstrate his usual respect for courts and rule of law. Expect no change until he sees the US pass the signals—which anyone not blinded by disproven idologies would aleready have registered.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

As much as I disagree with the the PM's (and the current government's) stand on this case I also have more than a little problem with a Canadian court seemingly dictating Canadian foreign policy.

I agree with you on both points.

 

[nottyboi]

This has little to do with foreign policy. It has EVERYTHING to do with equal treatment of Canadians under OUR laws. Harper's treatment of Khadr and Abousfian Abdelrazik has shown we have a racist govenment. If you get in trouble abroad you better have a nice non-arab name or you are screwed. I am glad the courts are intervening as it is their obligation to act when the govt does not provide equal treatment to it's citizens based on race.

 

[gramage]

When the government refuses to act within the law of the land the courts have no choice but to act. Complain about it if you want but if they didn't do it our government would be above the law and could and would do anything to anyone it wanted.

 

[oldjones]

with Omar Khandr?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wkhadr0424/BNStory/National/home

As much as I disagree with the the PM's (and the current government's) stand on this case I also have more than a little problem with a Canadian court seemingly dictating Canadian foreign policy.

On the other hand, had Harper resolved to the treat Khadr case, as any other, ensuring that all appropriate rights and proper legal safeguards are accorded a child held in foreign custody, then no court would have heard the case.

Courts don't make policy, they recognize wrongdoing, and order punishment or redress. The "W-word's" the operative one.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

When the government refuses to act within the law of the land the courts have no choice but to act. Complain about it if you want but if they didn't do it our government would be above the law and could and would do anything to anyone it wanted.

The legislature/government makes the laws, the judicial interprets them and carries them out. The judicial branch should not be involved in policy.

If you believe the courts protect you from a government acting above the law you're mistaken.

 

[danmand]

The legislature/government makes the laws, the judicial interprets them and carries them out. The judicial branch should not be involved in policy.

If you believe the courts protect you from a government acting above the law you're mistaken.

But, man oh man, does Khadr have a bulls-eye shot at a civil lawsuit against the government of Canada, if they don't kill him.

The taxpayers will pay him millions.

Seems like conservative policy nowadays: throw taxpayers money away.

 

[Malibook]

It's too bad the US didn't just drop a couple of more bombs on that compound.
Nobody would have been whining about one more dead combatant even if he was a poor little Canadian kid.

Canada should find out what the hell is taking so long but not insist that he be released.
If Khadr is to be released, that is a US decision and he should be returned to where he was captured.

If Khadr was caught smuggling drugs in Singapore, should Harper insist that this poor little Canadian kid be spared and returned to Canada to be let go?

 

[danmand]

It's too bad the US didn't just drop a couple of more bombs on that compound.
Nobody would have been whining about one more dead combatant even if he was a poor little Canadian kid.

Canada should find out what the hell is taking so long but not insist that he be released.
If Khadr is to be released, that is a US decision and he should be returned to where he was captured.

If Khadr was caught smuggling drugs in Singapore, should Harper insist that this poor little Canadian kid be spared and returned to Canada to be let go?

As Ignatieff has pointed out, Ottawa doesn't "get to pick and choose which
Canadians overseas to defend. You have to defend them all. That's what a
passport means." He's right.

 

[Aardvark154]

As Ignatieff has pointed out, Ottawa doesn't "get to pick and choose which Canadians overseas to defend. You have to defend them all. That's what a passport means." He's right.

However, doesn't that also imply that your allegiance and loyalty is to Canada not to "global jihad", that you believe that change comes only through the ballot box not through assassination and/or overthrow of the government, and to not being engaged in armed conflict against one of Canada's Allies? Does young Khandr meet a single one of these criteria, does anyone in his family?

 

[Aardvark154]

As Ignatieff has pointed out, Ottawa doesn't "get to pick and choose which Canadians. . ."

Whose party was it that made a total hash of Canadian Immigration Law?

Why was Khandr Père allowed to immigrate to Canada and even more so to acquire nationality? Could he possibly have meant a single word when he took the oath?

 

[Anynym]

As Ignatieff has pointed out, Ottawa doesn't "get to pick and choose which
Canadians overseas to defend. You have to defend them all. That's what a
passport means." He's right.

Well, no, he's not.

Canadians on foreign soil are subject to foreign laws and do not have an automatic right to have the Canadian Government repatriate them at Canadian taxpayer expense.

If Iggy wants to exempt Canadians from any foreign justice, he can submit changes to the laws to that effect. To date, he has not even offered to do so.

That there are thousands of Canadians jailed abroad is clear evidence of the true facts.

 

[oldjones]

It's too bad the US didn't just drop a couple of more bombs on that compound.
Nobody would have been whining about one more dead combatant even if he was a poor little Canadian kid.

Canada should find out what the hell is taking so long but not insist that he be released.
If Khadr is to be released, that is a US decision and he should be returned to where he was captured.

If Khadr was caught smuggling drugs in Singapore, should Harper insist that this poor little Canadian kid be spared and returned to Canada to be let go?

It's what we did with the woman convicted in Mexico awhile back. And with David Radler, I believe.

SOP to have convicted people returned by treaty to their own counties to do their time. Of course Khadr has not been convicted, has only had the beginnings of what might arguably be called due process and legal trial, in spite of being held for more than six years. So the apologists for state-supported brutality can claim the SOPs not relevant because he's yet to be convicted. No mercy for that boy, not even legal rights.

Of course neither that, nor any of your other points actually speaks to the Court's order. Nor the the OP asking what Harper might do. Just venom.

 

[oldjones]

Well, no, he's not.

Canadians on foreign soil are subject to foreign laws and do not have an automatic right to have the Canadian Government repatriate them at Canadian taxpayer expense.

If Iggy wants to exempt Canadians from any foreign justice, he can submit changes to the laws to that effect. To date, he has not even offered to do so.

That there are thousands of Canadians jailed abroad is clear evidence of the true facts.

He said "defend", not "repatriate". Kinda fun watching you set up your straw man and knock him down. Meaningless though, and contributes nothing.

 

[oldjones]

The legislature/government makes the laws, the judicial interprets them and carries them out. The judicial branch should not be involved in policy.
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone at all who would disagree. In this case, as in all I can think of, the cort has found that the government is delinquent, and has not done what the law requires government to do. So the court ordered them to live up to and carry out the law.

The policy was made by passing the laws and signing the treaties, not by the court.

 

[danmand]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone at all who would disagree. In this case, as in all I can think of, the cort has found that the government is delinquent, and has not done what the law requires government to do. So the court ordered them to live up to and carry out the law.

The policy was made by passing the laws and signing the treaties, not by the court.

I predicted 6 moths ago, here ion Terb, that Khadr will collect, in due time,
a very large sum of money from the Government of Canada.

 

[Malibook]

Of course neither that, nor any of your other points actually speaks to the Court's order. Nor the the OP asking what Harper might do. Just venom.

They should have just dropped more bombs to finish the job or left him there to rot.
They could have granted him his wish and just killed him.
I am surprised that they saved his life and got him to Gitmo alive.
The US should be commended.


Harper: There are some people in Canada who would like to welcome back Khadr.

Obama: So what?

Harper: Oh well, I tried.

 

[Aardvark154]

I predicted 6 moths ago, here on Terb, that Khadr will collect, in due time, a very large sum of money from the Government of Canada.

If so can the Goverment impose a corresponding fine on the family for immigration fraud and then deport them?

 

[danmand]

If so can the Goverment impose a corresponding fine on the family for immigration fraud and then deport them?

Well, you seem to be in favour of the law not applying to Khadr and his family,
so I guess by that standard anything goes.