What will Harper do now....

[anon1]

It's what we did with the woman convicted in Mexico awhile back. And with David Radler,

Yeah, but they are white.

 

[Anynym]

He said "defend", not "repatriate". Kinda fun watching you set up your straw man and knock him down. Meaningless though, and contributes nothing.

Is that what the judge ordered? For the Canadian Government to interfere with the judicial process in foreign trials, where foreign governments are not given standing?

And you think that's what Ignatieff meant?

 

[Aardvark154]

Well, you seem to be in favour of the law not applying to Khadr and his family, so I guess by that standard anything goes.

On the other hand, seemingly you feel that because they are Moslem Arabs that anything they do is to be excused. Engaging in terrorist activities, immigration fraud, or being an illegal combatant (not in uniform, seemingly not part of the Afghan Army) nothing this family does should prevent them from being suckled by Canada.

How ironic that descendants of Louis Hébert or those entitled to put the initials U.E. after their name are not treated in the same magnanimous manner.

 

[nottyboi]

The legislature/government makes the laws, the judicial interprets them and carries them out. The judicial branch should not be involved in policy.

If you believe the courts protect you from a government acting above the law you're mistaken.

That is EXACTLY what the courts are doing here. They are telling the govt they CANNOT refuse to act as the law dictates they MUST act on behalf of Canadians, there is no way they can lawfully not act on behalf of a Canadian.

 

[nottyboi]

However, doesn't that also imply that your allegiance and loyalty is to Canada not to "global jihad", that you believe that change comes only through the ballot box not through assassination and/or overthrow of the government, and to not being engaged in armed conflict against one of Canada's Allies? Does young Khandr meet a single one of these criteria, does anyone in his family?

All means ALL. If Khadr is guilty of anything he can be tried in Canada.

 

[nottyboi]

If so can the Goverment impose a corresponding fine on the family for immigration fraud and then deport them?

Well of course not. The son is not guilty of his Parents crimes and his parents are also not guilty of the sons crimes. Guilt by association is simply not acceptable under the law... are you really that clueless about law?

 

[Aardvark154]

Well of course not. The son is not guilty of his Parents crimes and his parents are also not guilty of the sons crimes. Guilt by association is simply not acceptable under the law... are you really that clueless about law?

So I get to state that Canada should be destroyed (so should the U.S.), and engage in armed combat against allies of the State I supposedly bear allegence to. But that's ok - I'm a "real Canadian"?!

 

[Aardvark154]

All means ALL. If Khadr is guilty of anything he can be tried in Canada.

Will Canada bring back the firing squad or the gallows especialy for him?

 

[danmand]

On the other hand, seemingly you feel that because they are Moslem Arabs that anything they do is to be excused. Engaging in terrorist activities, immigration fraud, or being an illegal combatant (not in uniform, seemingly not part of the Afghan Army) nothing this family does should prevent them from being suckled by Canada.

How did you possibly get that idea into your brain? It surely is not from anything I have posted.

I believe in a very simple approach: If a person has a Canadian passport,
he/she is a canadian, and he/she is equal to any other canadian,
and is entitled to equal treatment before the law and otherwise.

Your silly and unfounded insunuation is reflecting badly upon you.

 

[Aardvark154]

How did you possibly get that idea into your brain? It surely is not from anything I have posted.

I believe in a very simple approach: If a person has a Canadian passport,
he/she is a canadian, and he/she is equal to any other canadian,
and is entitled to equal treatment before the law and otherwise.

The problem is that this isn't some "youth" who was drunk and did something stupid in Mexico. Or someone who ran afoul of Turkish drug laws.

This "kid" has spat upon Canada and everything the country stands for for basicly his entire life.

your silly and unfounded insunuation is reflecting badly upon you.

If that isn't how you feel, I'm sorry I gained that impression from your posts.

 

[danmand]

The problem is that this isn't some "youth" who was drunk and did something stupid in Mexico. Or someone who ran afoul of Turkish drug laws.

This "kid" has spat upon Canada and everything the country stands for for basicly his entire life.

I don't know where you have your information from. All I know is that he was brought
up by a family that had close ties with Osama Bin Laden, I believe I have read that
he played with OSB's children.
However, he was a child of only 15 when apprehended in Afghanistan.
How can you hold him responsible for the sins of his family? It does not
say that in canadian law.

If that isn't how you feel, I'm sorry I gained that impression from your posts.

I know that you cannot point to a single sentence where I say or imply that
"because they are Moslem Arabs that anything they do is to be excused". I
simply feel (strongly) that every canadian should be equal in front of the law and the government.

 

[Malibook]

All means ALL. If Khadr is guilty of anything he can be tried in Canada.

The alleged offence happened in Afghanistan.
He should have been tried there.

 

[nottyboi]

So I get to state that Canada should be destroyed (so should the U.S.), and engage in armed combat against allies of the State I supposedly bear allegence to. But that's ok - I'm a "real Canadian"?!

Yes you do. It's called freedom of speech. You think the Khadrs are the only crack pots out there? Freedom means you can say whatever you want. The only thing that is controlled in Canada is hate crimes. Typically only prosecuted if you advocate antisemitism. If you allow freedom of speech to be compromised, before you know it they will start jailing people who post on escort review boards for engaging in unsavory and immoral behavior. There are many anarchists out there that advocate destruction of all states.

 

[nottyboi]

Will Canada bring back the firing squad or the gallows especialy for him?

You sound like another one of those guys that supports the death penalty, but wouldn't have the balls to do it your self. Much rather get some poor prison flunky to do you dirty work for you to satisfy your blood lust vicariously.

 

[nottyboi]

The alleged offence happened in Afghanistan.
He should have been tried there.

At the time he was a guest of the Afghan government as was fighting invaders. So what Afghan law did he break?

 

[fuji]

All means ALL. If Khadr is guilty of anything he can be tried in Canada.

No, Canadian courts do not have jurisdiction over Afghanistan. The court of competent jurisdiction is either the Afghan court, or some US court, depending on how far along the handover of power was at the point where he committed the acts that are alleged to be crimes.

 

[fuji]

At the time he was a guest of the Afghan government as was fighting invaders. So what Afghan law did he break?

No, you have your timeline wrong. At the time of the events the invasion was over, the US was an occupying power with control (and therefore jurisdiction) over the territory he was captured in, and was in the process of handing control over that territory to a new Afghan provisional government.

Depending on how far along that transfer of power was the jurisdiction either rests with the US as the occupying power or with the provisional Afghan government to which power was being handed over.

Presumably the crime he would be charged with, under whatever legal system it is that is appropriate, would be murder.

 

[oldjones]

They should have just dropped more bombs to finish the job or left him there to rot.
They could have granted him his wish and just killed him.
I am surprised that they saved his life and got him to Gitmo alive.
The US should be commended.

For being good people, yes. Just lousy world leaders

Harper: There are some people in Canada who would like to welcome back Khadr.

Obama: So what?

Harper: Oh well, I tried.

You expect better from Harper than I do.

 

[Aardvark154]

You sound like another one of those guys that supports the death penalty, but wouldn't have the balls to do it your self. Much rather get some poor prison flunky to do you dirty work for you to satisfy your blood lust vicariously.

Most people with normal consciences do not take any pleasure in killing another person. Contrary to popular belief many ordinary people (in terms of conscience) are killed because when it comes to "shoot, don't shoot" they second guess the situation wanting to make sure that shooting is justified.

May I suggest that your comment is flip.

 

[Aardvark154]

Yes you do. It's called freedom of speech. You think the Khadrs are the only crack pots out there? Freedom means you can say whatever you want. The only thing that is controlled in Canada is hate crimes. Typically only prosecuted if you advocate antisemitism. If you allow freedom of speech to be compromised, before you know it they will start jailing people who post on escort review boards for engaging in unsavory and immoral behavior. There are many anarchists out there that advocate destruction of all states.

No, freedom does not mean "you can say whatever you want" (It's a U.S. case but look at Justice Holmes opinion in Schenck v. U.S., 249 U.S. 47 (1919) which of course you admit when you say that it already is limited.

How richly ironic: it is good to go to Afgahanistan to support a governement that Canada was opposed to and to be illegally in combat against American forces, but if I use the K word boy houdy watch out?