When an Expert Disagrees with the Experts

jcpro

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Go visit some ICU since Delta. They are now younger and healthier.
Excellent. Must start vaxing in utero or, better yet, jab the pregnant "people".
 

jcpro

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Find me a single life saving medication/vaccines/treatment that has zero harm risk.
Find me a treatment that's being prescribed to those not at risk.
 

Valcazar

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Find me a treatment that's being prescribed to those not at risk.
Don't know of one off the top of my head.
I am sure there are ones that have been in the past and then discontinued and are ones that we don't know of yet.
Kind of irrelevant to a discussion of a vaccine, though.
 

PeteOsborne

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Well, they didn't protect Imogen Allen, 22. They actually made her life a living hell by pressuring her to take the medication she did not need. And there are PLENTY of other examples. First, do no harm- never forget that.
Firstly, I saw no reference in the article that she was pressured into taking the vaccine, correct me if I missed it with a quote from the article.
Second, she could have been treated and most likely completely recovered if she had received care early enough as has been documented in many cases, instead she went days suffering symptoms, then went on vacation where she went against getting treatment even after a paramedic recommended she take an ambulance to be checked out at a hospital.
 

PeteOsborne

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Find me a treatment that's being prescribed to those not at risk.
Ivermectin for people who aren't cattle and don't have worms.
Hydroxychloroquine, for people who are not suffering from malaria.
Azithromycin, for people who are not suffering from a bacterial infection.
Chlorine dioxide, prescribed by some doctors in South America is a disinfectant, that in small amounts can be used to purify water, yet the doses that were prescribed were in lethal levels.
Basically it is bleach. Not sure where they got this idea from.
 
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Ah, no. Science doesn't work based on consensus. It is based on proposing an hypothesis and then proving or disproving it. In this case, there is a reason why it takes years and sometimes decades for a drug to make it to the market- it needs to be tested.
You are missing the point- of course research involves hypotheses and experiments but a consensus is ultimately reached based upon the findings from many labs. i have been a research scientist for over 40 years and every field has some conflicting findings. this can be due to poor research design, errors in experimentation or by chance.
 
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PeteOsborne

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You are missing the point- of course research involves hypotheses and experiments but a consensus is ultimately reached based upon the findings from many labs. i have been a research scientist for over 40 years and every field has some conflicting findings. this can be due to poor research design, errors in experimentation or by chance.
In the end once all the corresponding research is evaluated against each other, the end result is a consensus on whether or not the experiments and research were a failure or not.
This is where peer review comes in handy.
 
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jcpro

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No so far scientist needed more analysis for kids under 12. But that shall change soon.

p.s. I respond intelligently to your post. You should try to do the same.
Of course it will change soon, analysis or no analysis. Why? Simply because it will be a political decision because it actually takes years to complete necessary research. There are still doctors that take their patients' welfare seriously, like my elderly mother's physician, who bothered to run the antibodies test on her BEFORE administering the vaccine and sent her home without a shot upon finding that she has had covid and had the antibodies. Alas, that's not how things are done in Canada or UK or America where we vaccinate wholesale and then just say "oops" when we happen to make things worse. "Oops" is that much easier to say after the liability is lifted off the manufacturer.
 
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squeezer

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Of course it will change soon, analysis or no analysis. Why? Simply because it will be a political decision because it actually takes years to complete necessary research. There are still doctors that take their patients' welfare seriously, like my elderly mother's physician, who bothered to run the antibodies test on her BEFORE administering the vaccine and sent her home without a shot upon finding that she has had covid and had the antibodies. Alas, that's not how things are done in Canada or UK or America where we vaccinate wholesale and then just say "oops" when we happen to make things worse. "Oops" is that much easier to say after the liability is lifted off the manufacturer.
Give it up, you lost! As more and more get jabbed, more and more will not tolerate the unwashed. You will be sitting at home all alone.
 

jcpro

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Ivermectin for people who aren't cattle and don't have worms.
Hydroxychloroquine, for people who are not suffering from malaria.
Azithromycin, for people who are not suffering from a bacterial infection.
Chlorine dioxide, prescribed by some doctors in South America is a disinfectant, that in small amounts can be used to purify water, yet the doses that were prescribed were in lethal levels.
Basically it is bleach. Not sure where they got this idea from.
Maybe, maybe not

 

jcpro

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Give it up, you lost! As more and more get jabbed, more and more will not tolerate the unwashed. You will be sitting at home all alone.
This is neither a contest nor a religion. Before I put you.on ignore, since you don't contribute anything anyway, I will repeat- you do you and I'll do me.
 
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squeezer

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This is neither a contest nor a religion. Before I put you.on ignore, since you don't contribute anything anyway, I will repeat- you do you and I'll do me.
I apologize if the facts insult you! Go ahead and cancel me. After all, being a hypocrite is part of being a radical right winger.
 

jcpro

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I apologize if the facts insult you! Go ahead and cancel me. After all, being a hypocrite is part of being a radical right winger.
I had to check this, lol!! I'm putting you on ignore just like I walk away from the street preacher- annoying and boring.
 
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Of course it will change soon, analysis or no analysis. Why? Simply because it will be a political decision because it actually takes years to complete necessary research. There are still doctors that take their patients' welfare seriously, like my elderly mother's physician, who bothered to run the antibodies test on her BEFORE administering the vaccine and sent her home without a shot upon finding that she has had covid and had the antibodies. Alas, that's not how things are done in Canada or UK or America where we vaccinate wholesale and then just say "oops" when we happen to make things worse. "Oops" is that much easier to say after the liability is lifted off the manufacturer.
That is exactly my line of work for the past 20 years. I facilitate exchange of research data for medical association worldwide. If the decision was political kids would have got the shot already.

There is billions of people to protect on the planet. A huge task in itself. Do you really think anti-body test can be run on everyone? It's impossible. Millions would die before they would have gotten a chance to get the test or the shot.
 
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That is exactly my line of work for the past 20 years. I facilitate exchange of research data for medical association worldwide. If the decision was political kids would have got the shot already.

There is billions of people to protect on the planet. A huge task in itself. Do you really think anti-body test can be run on everyone? It's impossible. Millions would die before they would have gotten a chance to get the test or the shot.
JC doesn't really care about antibody tests or anything else. He is just anti-vaccine and spins, twists and throws out nonsense and bullshit to facilitate his false narrative and then he cancels me!!! WTF, cancel culture is real and the righties don't give a damn about free speech!

If I knew where JC lived I'd go protest on his front lawn with a big placard and a megaphone.
 

jcpro

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That is exactly my line of work for the past 20 years. I facilitate exchange of research data for medical association worldwide. If the decision was political kids would have got the shot already.

There is billions of people to protect on the planet. A huge task in itself. Do you really think anti-body test can be run on everyone? It's impossible. Millions would die before they would have gotten a chance to get the test or the shot.
Look. You don't have to run an antibodies test on every one. I agree. However, we can say to the YOUNG people who have had covid and no side effects(pretty much all of them)- don't worry, go back to your lives. Wanna shot take it, but it's not necessarily. Simply, you run the honest numbers, assess the risks and act accordingly. Most importantly, let the family doctors call the shots. And what are we doing instead? We are vaccinating everyone, whether they need it or not, and pretending that once we got all vaccinated, everything will be fine.... while using a drug that lasts 5 months.
 
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Sucks to be her...and many, many others who shall remain anonymous because we all have to be vaccinated to protect the old, fat and the sick.
Do you think that being vaccinated is only about protecting the "Old, Fat and Sick" ones? Even the healthy ones have either also succumbed to this virus, or are having other long term health issues related to the Covid-19 after they have survived it!!
 

Valcazar

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Why is "Fat" in there, jcpro?
You know that people who are BMI 25-30 have a slight advantage in survival if infected with COVID.
 
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