Where have all the real Indy gone?

[gollumtroll]

Sooooo an escort has to be intimidating to be an Indy???

I am pretty sure you read post #14 where I spelt the word correctly. But thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake in the later post. I just made the correction to avoid any further confusions.

 

[Madeline Rhodes]

They got tired of having an incall downtown and in suburbia so some of them bought agencies, some bought condos and let SP's work out of them, some went on to their careers, and some just stopped advertising so heavily.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to be an indy. Sharing facilities, or using hotels for location variety is actually a more cost effective way to go. I assure you it beats the hell out of the women all raising their raites to 400-600$/hr to accommodate the cost of a downtown incall.

*sigh*

I feel for all the current REAL independent SP's.

 

[gollumtroll]

I'd be intimidated if an indie provided service, atmosphere and an environment. lmao

gollumtroll, I think you're trying to hard

If you read from post #14 onwards you will see that it was a simple spelling mistake. The spelling mistake was made after post 14 but I made the correction. But it is always easier to troll....

 

[gollumtroll]

They got tired of having an incall downtown and in suburbia so some of them bought agencies, some bought condos and let SP's work out of them, some went on to their careers, and some just stopped advertising so heavily.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to be an indy. Sharing facilities, or using hotels for location variety is actually a more cost effective way to go. I assure you it beats the hell out of the women all raising their raites to 400-600$/hr to accommodate the cost of a downtown incall.

*sigh*

I feel for all the current REAL independent SP's.

You are absolutely correct.

 

[gollumtroll]

So what is the difference between visiting a lady for a one hour session in her own condo versus a nice hotel?

The hotel for someone like myself is not an intimate encounter. As well, a shared apartment/condo (multiple johns being serviced at the same time) is not an intimate encounter for someone like myself.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

The hotel for someone like myself is not an intimate encounter. As well, a shared apartment/condo (multiple johns being serviced at the same time) is not an intimate encounter for someone like myself.

Maybe you should try outcall. That way you can control the environment around you and make it easier to have the mood you want set the way you want.

 

[gollumtroll]

BTW - Chanel and Maya both at others do their sites and photography. Just sayin......They didn't handle it ALL themselves.

If the SP outsources the web development and photography - that was a business decision they made. The Web Developer or Photographer (contractor) must design/produce a product to the SP's specifications (contractee).

 

[gollumtroll]

Maybe you should try outcall. That way you can control the environment around you and make it easier to have the mood you want set the way you want.

I know you mean well but, I think you are responding out of misdirected anger.

 

[Celticman]

The hotel for someone like myself is not an intimate encounter. As well, a shared apartment/condo (multiple johns being serviced at the same time) is not an intimate encounter for someone like myself.

Do you find enough ladies to see who have locations that meet your needs? I can think of very few indeed who entertain in their private home. And I would only repeat with Heather in Durham.

 

[gollumtroll]

Ok well I am glad that we got that cleared up...

So then what exactly do you mean by true indy because I am lost like others. Is it just the feeling these women gave you back in the day that seems lacking amoung indies now?????

Post #14, #18, #28 reinforce my arguement.

 

[gollumtroll]

Do you find enough ladies to see who have locations that meet your needs? I can think of very few indeed who entertain in their private home. And I would only repeat with Heather in Durham.

In the last 2-3 years, not as many. Very very hard to find. But compared to 6-8 years ago it was different.

You will always find independents on Terb, and others. But before you would find many in print media,trz, CL

 

[MattRoxx]

I think some posters are getting hung up on this "real indy" phrase. I know what gollum is talking about. There's a young woman I've seen a few times in her own apartment. She only has one session a day and only a few per week. She has enough regulars to provide the income needed, so doesn't advertise.

And going to her home makes it feel more relaxed and intimate, like hanging out with a FWB rather than being another in a series of commercial transactions.

OTOH I also enjoy the feeling of debauchery of walking into a hotel, seeing all the tourists milling around, and striding directly to the elevator for an anonymous rendezvous with a stranger, and also the notoriety of going to a condo and past the bored security guy, wondering if he knows (and envies) what is taking place on the 25th floor.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I know you mean well but, I think you are responding out of misdirected anger.

Misdirected anger? Because I am asking questions or offering a suggestion. Really? You can't make up your mind on what a true Indy is. You have been asked repeated by different members and all you say is service atmosphere and environment but can not give an specifics at all. You say no hotel or condo then change your mind. You claim a tue Indy does everything but then again change your stance.

There is a whole section of indies on Terb. I can list of more then I can agencies but you say they are not true indies yet won't say exactly why and then when proven to be wrong, it must be misdirected anger on my part.

I asked about an outcall because you want a certain environment. What is wrong with that?

Sorry pops, I think you can't make up your damn mind on this issue and that is the reason for your misdirected definition of a true Indy. Bottom line, you are wrong on what an Indy is. You have back peddled your answers, you have given no clear definition other to say service, atmosphere and environment with no specifics at all. That is not what makes an Indy. That is your problem. Not the ladies, but your definition and unrealistic expectation with no room for responsibility to the session from your end.

BTW it is not misdirected anger but it is slightly offended because I work with A LOT of good true indies who work hard at being indie. Who go through more hassle then they should have to simply because they are indy and men think they can take advantage of that. It is insulting to say they are not true indies because they won't take your cock in their private home. That is not misdirected all.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Hard to find??? **scratches head**

In the last 2-3 years, not as many. Very very hard to find. But compared to 6-8 years ago it was different.

You will always find independents on Terb, and others. But before you would find many in print media,trz, CL

Dude... I have no idea what you're talking about... I've been hobbying for the last 3-4 years and see EXCLUSIVELY indies. (Several of which have either been mentioned in this thread, and/or contributed to it...) What is your beef?

News flash: Printed matter is a dinosaur in this age of instant gratification.

CL no longer allows escort ads... but Backpage and Duttslist have picked up where it left off...

This site and competing sites like it are the best way to research prospective dates and even contact via PM as well.

My biggest issue is trying to decide which one to see next! :eyebrows:

 

[Celticman]

With all due respect Sir what do you mean by "someone like yourself" ? I am an indy provider and have never worked for any agency... I provide an intimate and unique encounter to every gentleman I see .... so I wonder what, if anything ... you consider different about yourself? I try to accommodate each and every individual in the way they prefer ... so please help me out and let me know what makes you different

Do you find enough ladies to see who have locations that meet your needs? I can think of very few indeed who entertain in their private home. And I would only repeat with Heather in Durham.

It would be nice if the OP would communicate his actual problem. It seems like it simply boils down to being unhappy unless he is entertained in a private residence. What added benefit does that bring to the party over and above a nice hotel room, and how does a nice hotel room vs. a private residence make an escort less of an independant?

Colour me truly puzzled on this one

 

[Ridgeman08]

It would be nice if the OP would communicate his actual problem. It seems like it simply boils down to being unhappy unless he is entertained in a private residence. What added benefit does that bring to the party over and above a nice hotel room, and how does a nice hotel room vs. a private residence make an escort less of an independant?

Colour me truly puzzled on this one

Exactly... and whats wrong with entertaining an SP in a hotel room? I have both hosted SP's in my hotel room, and visited them in theirs. What the big deal...

 

[gollumtroll]

I think some posters are getting hung up on this "real indy" phrase. I know what gollum is talking about. There's a young woman I've seen a few times in her own apartment. She only has one session a day and only a few per week. She has enough regulars to provide the income needed, so doesn't advertise.

And going to her home makes it feel more relaxed and intimate, like hanging out with a FWB rather than being another in a series of commercial transactions.

Yes, so you understand exactly what I speak off.

 

[gollumtroll]

Misdirected anger? Because I am asking questions or offering a suggestion. Really? You can't make up your mind on what a true Indy is. You have been asked repeated by different members and all you say is service atmosphere and environment but can not give an specifics at all. You say no hotel or condo then change your mind. You claim a tue Indy does everything but then again change your stance.

There is a whole section of indies on Terb. I can list of more then I can agencies but you say they are not true indies yet won't say exactly why and then when proven to be wrong, it must be misdirected anger on my part.

I asked about an outcall because you want a certain environment. What is wrong with that?

Sorry pops, I think you can't make up your damn mind on this issue and that is the reason for your misdirected definition of a true Indy. Bottom line, you are wrong on what an Indy is. You have back peddled your answers, you have given no clear definition other to say service, atmosphere and environment with no specifics at all. That is not what makes an Indy. That is your problem. Not the ladies, but your definition and unrealistic expectation with no room for responsibility to the session from your end.

BTW it is not misdirected anger but it is slightly offended because I work with A LOT of good true indies who work hard at being indie. Who go through more hassle then they should have to simply because they are indy and men think they can take advantage of that. It is insulting to say they are not true indies because they won't take your cock in their private home. That is not misdirected all.

Yes, you are still responding out of misdirected anger because you are offended. And there is no need for me to make up my mind on what is my definition of a 'True Indy'. I am not confused, you simply do not like my view or agree with it. By being offended, your responses are losing their objectivity and IMO you are trying to misconstrue my posts. Do not take it personal, keep an open mind. If you are still looking for more insight into my meaning then re-read post #14, #18, #28. As well, as the thread grows did you notice that there are other John's that shared my experience?

I already agreed with you and others that SP(s) that service out of hotels, shared accommodation, etc are also Indy. But what I think you want to hear from me is that all Independents are 'True Indy'. For arguments sake - [sarcasm] Okay fine, any SP that is not affiliated with an Agency is a 'True Indy'. Now that being said, will you get offended if I rate the 'True Indy' experience from a scale of 1 to 10? [/sarcasm]

 

[gollumtroll]

With all due respect Sir what do you mean by "someone like yourself" ? I am an indy provider and have never worked for any agency... I provide an intimate and unique encounter to every gentleman I see .... so I wonder what, if anything ... you consider different about yourself? I try to accommodate each and every individual in the way they prefer ... so please help me out and let me know what makes you different

'someone like myself' = My Preferences

In the industry we all have our preferences. I am sure you have preferences with respect to client sessions. I don't know your preferences because I have never booked.

But to make my point - Some SP do not: see particular races, do not allow greek, do not allow greek for certain sizes, do not allow certain age groups, no bbbj, no rimming, etc etc. And some John's do not: see SPs that provide bbbj, rimming, daty, kissing, etc, etc....

 

[gollumtroll]

Dude... I have no idea what you're talking about... I've been hobbying for the last 3-4 years and see EXCLUSIVELY indies. (Several of which have either been mentioned in this thread, and/or contributed to it...) What is your beef?

News flash: Printed matter is a dinosaur in this age of instant gratification.

CL no longer allows escort ads... but Backpage and Duttslist have picked up where it left off...

This site and competing sites like it are the best way to research prospective dates and even contact via PM as well.

My biggest issue is trying to decide which one to see next! :eyebrows:

Printed media was amazing. I think it reached out to the part-time-pro's.