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Anbarandy

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..... his residential real estate vulture culture not being able to feast as they have been for 20 plus years on the carcass of skyrocketing residential real estate prices.

Here's a hint buddy. Cut your fuckin' commissions. Clamp down on your industry's greed and complicity in fueling the rising price of the housing market.


Cost of the municipal land transfer tax will impact all homebuyers
For our housing market to remain healthy, we need to incentivize transactions, not penalize home sales with a new tax.
By Christopher Alexander Contributor
Monday, September 25, 2023

There’s no doubt that action is needed to improve Toronto’s financial situation; however, increasing the municipal land transfer tax will serve only to erode housing affordability further. To those who believe that the tax hike will only impact the luxury-home owners “who can afford the increase,” think again.

I agree that balancing the city’s budget is a heavy burden, but it’s not one to be carried by homeowners. For our housing market to remain healthy, we need to incentivize transactions, not penalize them. In truth, the revenue boost earned through more land transfer tax will have some significant and long-lasting impacts on Toronto’s residents and market. It will mean fewer listings in a city where housing supply is already low, and higher prices in a market that is already expensive.

The cost is substantial.

The average price for a home sold in the Greater Toronto Area so far this year was $1,134,781 (to Aug. 31, 2023). The total land transfer tax for this purchase price adds an extra expense of $38,341.20 to buyers; half of which goes to the province ($19,170.62) and half to the city of Toronto. On the surface, this is significant revenue, and revenue the city needs, but in the mid-to-long-term there’s a greater cost to both affordability and inventory.

Through a higher municipal land transfer tax, the luxury homeowner is being disincentivized from listing their property. This impact trickles down to move-up buyers, who now can’t find homes to move up into; to first-time buyers who are challenged in finding a home to accommodate a growing family; and renters who are holding their breath as they struggle to get their foot in the door of home ownership. Incentives like the federal first-time Home Buyers’ Tax Credit and the municipal/provincial first-time buyer land transfer tax rebates are great, but useless if the buyer can’t find a home for sale.

Since the municipal land transfer tax was introduced in 2008, it’s questionable whether it’s even serving its purpose. Residential prices and the number of transactions have spiked, yet, we find ourselves in arguably the most dire affordability crisis

Toronto has ever experienced, trying to find a way to fill a massive $1.5-billion hole. For context, as of 2021, according to the Toronto Regional Real Estate Board , Toronto home prices have increased by approximately 140 per cent since 2008, while the municipal land transfer tax collected by the city on the average priced home has increased by 340 per cent, more than double the rate of housing price inflation in the city over that period.

In Canada, home ownership continues to be one of the best long-term investments, and governments have a responsibility to ensure they’re exploring all options to keep this dream alive and achievable. Taxing buyers is a Band-Aid solution that fails to address the root of the problem — the housing shortage. And we haven’t even touched on the fact that Canada’s population and housing needs are growing, having increased more than a million people for the first time in history in 2022, a big portion due to a surge in immigrants and temporary residents, many of whom look to reside in the GTA.

Think about putting a cap on the municipal land transfer tax. This could be based on the average price point for any property in Toronto in 2008, when the municipal land transfer tax was first introduced, which was $379,080. Doing this would ensure municipal land transfer tax costs are predictable for would-be sellers and don’t fluctuate with the market. Beyond that, explore other revenue-generating ideas, and hold provincial and federal government’s feet to the fire, to cover their share of expenses.

Stop putting the squeeze on homeowners. They are already contributing enough to the city budget. Before the municipal land transfer tax comes into effect in January, I would caution government leaders to think twice, and invite them to consider all potential impacts, now and for years to come.

Christopher Alexander is president of RE/MAX Canada.
 

Not getting younger

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Obviously someone that’s never worked in real estate. Nor has access to the stats, detailing how many real estate agents actually make what would be reasonably deemed, reasonable middle class income.

Should maybe also add. There is a HUGE difference between being an agent on the sell side and agent on the buy side.
 

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Obviously someone that’s never worked in real estate. Nor has access to the stats, detailing how many real estate agents actually make what would be reasonably deemed, reasonable middle class income.

Should maybe also add. There is a HUGE difference between being an agent in the sell side and agent on the buy side.
You make a great case for a mass culling and reformation of the real estate industry.
 

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A few stats for you.
  • The median salary of a real estate agent in Canada is $46,212
Hopefully you know what a median is.

The average “salary” is a little over $100,000

Hopefully you know a little about stats and the differences between medians and averages.

Here’s but one helpful tidbit. If buyer demand is sooooooo much greater than supply. How many agents do you think work stupid amounts of hours for free…..

Walk a mile or go do it. It’s so easy and the fast lane to wealth…

I wonder if you know what the average # of transactions per agent is per year…

I wonder if you know, that the rental market, and securing leases for people is now more a source of a transaction that counts in the average, and what the compensation structure is for those…

I wonder if you have even the slightest idea, about what fees agents pay for this or that, what expenses agents pay for this or that ( like gas in expensive vehicles and how many showings they take clients to on average, and how many KMs they put on those expensive vehicles per year…or health benefits ) that comes off the commission after broker fees etc.

And while you might have a point about some change needed.

Walk a mile before griping about an agent getting 2 to 2.5%…….Assuming the deal after months of work even goes through these days
 
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A few stats for you.
  • The median salary of a real estate agent in Canada is $46,212
Hopefully you know what a median is.

The average “salary” is a little over $100,000

Hopefully you know a little about stats and the differences between medians and averages.

Here’s but one helpful tidbit. If buyer demand is sooooooo much greater than supply. How many agents do you think work stupid amounts of hours for free…..

Walk a mile or go do it. It’s so easy and the fast lane to wealth…

I wonder if you know what the average # of transactions per agent is per year…

I wonder if you know, that the rental market, and securing leases for people is now more a source of a transaction that counts in the average, and what the compensation structure is for those…

I wonder if you have even the slightest idea, about what fees agents pay for this or that, what expenses agents pay for this or that ( like gas in expensive vehicles and how many showings they take clients to on average, and how many KMs they put on those expensive vehicles per year…or health benefits ) that comes off the commission after broker fees etc.

And while you might have a point about some change needed.

Walk a mile before griping about an agent getting 2 to 2.5%…….Assuming the deal after months of work even goes through these days
And they work so hard too!

Sweating and slaving on listings that sell in 1 day.
 

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Again, another person that doesn’t want to simply read and contemplate some things. I’ll help a bit more.

Demand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>supply
1 house up for sale
1 seller………500 interested buyers ( 1 agent each)

only one gets the deal.

. Or put his time and money where is mouth is, and try it but believes it’s the fast and easy road to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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My issue with real estate agents is....when I bought my house 20yrs ago, for x dollars they make x% commission.
Today, for shuffling the same bits of bullshit paperwork, and having to do LESS showings due to online marketing...their commission is massive simply due to the higher selling price.
Same bullshit "work"....way more commission.
It is also agents who've all colluded over the years to drive up prices....not just the whole supply/demand/inflation factors.
 

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My issue with real estate agents is....when I bought my house 20yrs ago, for x dollars they make x% commission.
Today, for shuffling the same bits of bullshit paperwork, and having to do LESS showings due to online marketing...their commission is massive simply due to the higher selling price.
Same bullshit "work"....way more commission.
It is also agents who've all colluded over the years to drive up prices....not just the whole supply/demand/inflation factors.
Maybe.

20 years ago, things were very different. The housing market was different ( more balanced). Agents basically were go betweens.
2.5% on say $200,000 ( about what I paid for a house in Ajax in the 90s).

$5,000 to both agents. Less income tax, less broker fees, less expenses.

Today, the average number of transactions per agent is 8. But again, how many agents manage 1 or 2 per year vs the very few that manage 15. 10 transactions per year put an agent in the top performers club.

securing a lease which counts as a transaction. Gets said agent 1 months $$. So if the rental is $3000/month…$3,000. Try to guess how many hours work….it takes for that…

Million dollar house.
2.5% = $25,000

less broker fee ( hefty), less taxes ( hefty), less expenses ( like gas and vehicles and meals) less time..plus how many buyers these days…never mind taking them to a few dozen showings. Put in offers ( another 1 or two hours work) plus hours being by the phone…and don’t get it. Start all over….

The main reason to have and use agents these days.

Is making sure their clients don’t get sued. And all the legal clauses and stuff ( and shenanigans many other agents do).

what’s that worth to you?
 

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You wont get anywhere trying to have a conversation with Andy. He is good only to make his case and then launch into adjective laden tirades or take passing shots at you. Lol.
A butt hurt response if there ever was one!
 

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Again, another person that doesn’t want to simply read and contemplate some things. I’ll help a bit more.

Demand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>supply
1 house up for sale
1 seller………500 interested buyers ( 1 agent each)

only one gets the deal.

. Or put his time and money where is mouth is, and try it but believes it’s the fast and easy road to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
More evidence that a mass culling of 499 agents out of 500 is required!

Oh and btw, it is still just ONE housing unit that is being sold, that at an average GTA resale price of $1.1something million, that nets an average of $55,000 plus in commission fees.

As you can plainly see, at 55K per housing unit, the real estate industry's whining is nothing but vulture culture.
 
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Thoughtful, I can tell you gave it a lot of thought.can certainly you didn’t actually know a whole lot about it. But let’s run with it.

Now there are 300,000 new residents ( plus students, plus people from Intario looking for work) per year . And you want them to have no agents, plus lay off a ton of people, plus some other impacts you haven’t thought about.
 

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My issue with real estate agents is....when I bought my house 20yrs ago, for x dollars they make x% commission.
Today, for shuffling the same bits of bullshit paperwork, and having to do LESS showings due to online marketing...their commission is massive simply due to the higher selling price.
Same bullshit "work"....way more commission.
It is also agents who've all colluded over the years to drive up prices....not just the whole supply/demand/inflation factors.
My issue is that they 'negotiate' for you behind closed doors.
You don't get to hear offers from sellers or other buyers, only 'you need to offer more' or 'you were outbid' or you got it.
Even if the agent is also representing the seller.
 

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My issue with real estate agents is....when I bought my house 20yrs ago, for x dollars they make x% commission.
Today, for shuffling the same bits of bullshit paperwork, and having to do LESS showings due to online marketing...their commission is massive simply due to the higher selling price.
Same bullshit "work"....way more commission.
It is also agents who've all colluded over the years to drive up prices....not just the whole supply/demand/inflation factors.
I'm always amused when people begrudge others for being successful and make them out to be criminals and partaking in nefarious activities just because they have managed to make more money than others.
You don't need a realtor to buy & sell a property. So why use one? No one is forcing you.
If you feel you need one, well then just like everything else, you pay for their services.
 

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More evidence that a mass culling of 499 agents out of 500 is required!

Oh and btw, it is still just ONE housing unit that is being sold, that at an average GTA resale price of $1.1something million, that nets an average of $55,000 plus in commission fees.

As you can plainly see, at 55K per housing unit, the real estate industry's whining is nothing but vulture culture.
Funny that your solution to everything is to cull & begrudge everyone that is more successful than you. Just an observation.
Seems like realtors make a lot of money because someone just decided they should. Lol!
 

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My issue is that they 'negotiate' for you behind closed doors.
You don't get to hear offers from sellers or other buyers, only 'you need to offer more' or 'you were outbid' or you got it.
Even if the agent is also representing the seller.
Hey, whether you knew it or not when you posted the above, you have found the Holy Template that details Doug's dirty deeds regarding handing over the public realm to private interests ala:

1) The Greenebelt
2) Hwy 413 and the Bradford Bypass
3) Ontario Place
4) MZOs
5) The OSC
6) Healthcare
7) and every other public asset
 
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A few stats for you.
  • The median salary of a real estate agent in Canada is $46,212
Hopefully you know what a median is.

The average “salary” is a little over $100,000

Hopefully you know a little about stats and the differences between medians and averages.

Here’s but one helpful tidbit. If buyer demand is sooooooo much greater than supply. How many agents do you think work stupid amounts of hours for free…..

Walk a mile or go do it. It’s so easy and the fast lane to wealth…

I wonder if you know what the average # of transactions per agent is per year…

I wonder if you know, that the rental market, and securing leases for people is now more a source of a transaction that counts in the average, and what the compensation structure is for those…

I wonder if you have even the slightest idea, about what fees agents pay for this or that, what expenses agents pay for this or that ( like gas in expensive vehicles and how many showings they take clients to on average, and how many KMs they put on those expensive vehicles per year…or health benefits ) that comes off the commission after broker fees etc.

And while you might have a point about some change needed.

Walk a mile before griping about an agent getting 2 to 2.5%…….Assuming the deal after months of work even goes through these days
The median and average salary is misleading. There are alot of people doing this part time. Would like to know the numbers for full timers only.
 
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The median and average salary is misleading. There are alot of people doing this part time. Would like to know the numbers for full timers only.
To my knowledge that can’t be parsed. I “believe” around 25% from reading something. But define “full” time. I am sure I’m not recalling something. There is a known stat, of all active agents and those who kind of make a living at it. My guess is the old 80-20 rule
 

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The median and average salary is misleading. There are alot of people doing this part time. Would like to know the numbers for full timers only.
Yup, its a bit of a ponzi scheme, isn't it?
The board makes money off training new agents knowing most of them won't make it.
 
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