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Hearing that the Canon 85mm f1.2 lens is only for the skilled expert, I'm thinking of going with the Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM Lens ($2500) for portraits. It gets 5 stars out of 10 votes at Henry's, and is #1 recommended for portraits here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-200mm-f-2.8-L-IS-II-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
Any advice regarding this is appreciated.
Great choice for any level photography :thumb: Remember you asked what was the best, not what we recommend for you, and the 'best' category is subjective based on taste and needs. Now that we have a better sense of your level, for sure this one is a perfect fit.
 

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Great choice for any level photography :thumb: Remember you asked what was the best, not what we recommend for you, and the 'best' category is subjective based on taste and needs. Now that we have a better sense of your level, for sure this one is a perfect fit.
I think I'll be running to the store now. Canon 5DS camera and Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM Lens all in one go.
 

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If you are a professional photographer, then we all understand why. But for those who are only amateur photographers and have such a high quality camera, what has prompted you to purchase such a high-end camera? Also, which camera do you own?

I myself am considering the $4000 Canon 5DSR. A sample photo from it is below. If you actually download the photo and zoom in, the quality and detail gets even better and better. It is 50 megapixels.


Downloaded the image of the boy in your first post, and it is 1365px x 2048px = 2.8 Mp. No where near 50Mp. Picture looks ok, but doubt would be able to tell if it was taken by a $4,000 camera or a $600 camera.

Most hobbyist buy expensive cameras because money is not an issue, for bragging rights, challenge to learn all the options, looks impressive, makes them feel good. Nothing wrong with that. It would also depend on the type of photography you're into. People into sports photography would be frustrated by cheaper cameras that can't focus fast. Would want a nice/expensive zoom lens for nature photography.

Hearing that the Canon 85mm f1.2 lens is only for the skilled expert, I'm thinking of going with the Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM Lens ($2500) for portraits. It gets 5 stars out of 10 votes at Henry's, and is #1 recommended for portraits here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-200mm-f-2.8-L-IS-II-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
Any advice regarding this is appreciated.
Think for portrait photography the 85mm f1.8 would be sharper and more the lens of choice, but it does not look so impressive. For general indoor photography would want a wider angle lens than the 70-200 lens. Lighting would be the major concern for portrait photography.
 

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The size of the sensor is what determines price. You can have all the megapixels in the world, but if you don't have a full sized sensor, your camera is only getting part of the picture & then blowing it up to full size. A camera with a full sized sensor will cost $3k & up. (Cropped sensors are the norm, due to price).
70-200 mm lens is not for portraits. A fast prime 50mm is the best. (50mm f1.2)
 
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Can't seem to eliminate shadows and "hot spots". Even outdoors in bright light, can't seem to always eliminate shadows.
On bright sunny days, with no clouds, is very difficult to take pictures with no shadows or hot spots when out in the open under direct sunlight. Is easier to take outdoor pictures of people on overcast days, maybe with a bit of fill flash. On bright sunny days can do more dramatic pictures, but need to work with reflectors, or have a powerful flash/strobe lighting.
 

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The size of the sensor is what determines price. You can have all the megapixels in the world, but if you don't have a full sized sensor, your camera is only getting part of the picture & then blowing it up to full size. A camera with a full sized sensor will cost $3k & up. (Cropped sensors are the norm, due to price).
70-200 mm lens is not for portraits. A fast prime 50mm is the best. (50mm f1.2)
My all time fave for 60D was the 50mm f1.8 and also produced some of my fave photos especially for portraits under natural light and indoors. Most of the photos on my wall are with that lens.
 

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Nice photo, but really, should we have kid pictures on this board?
Can you replace it with a naked lady?
I agree. Canon might not include sample pics of naked ladies, but they probably have inanimate object photo samples, or animals.


The only 'expensive' camera I own is the analog Minolta Maxxum 7000? (I can't remember the model but it included a motor-drive for rapid, fashion photo-shoots).

I have a Sony something digital camera which is pretty good for me (small enough to carry in your pocket to a concert let's say, but it can accommodate regular size lens) but it does not have an optical (eye-sized) viewfinder, just the electronic viewer.

This is a deficiency on a sunny day because you can't see (or it's difficult to see) the frickin' object due to the daylight brightness.
 

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I have a pro photographer friend I'm always seeing around. She has a great rig, but she confided to me that she quite often uses a point and shoot for her own work, didn't ask what it was, but she says the photos from it are just as good but she can't take it to gigs because people would think she's not a pro.

And similarly a video editor friend said that they've had some video come in from a $1k or so Sony point and shoot that was similarly totally usable for production, another surprisingly good route to go besides the black magic boxes.

Problem is the technology is getting so much better all around and changes so quick, must be really hard to keep on top of what's current and great.
 

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I have a pro photographer friend I'm always seeing around. She has a great rig, but she confided to me that she quite often uses a point and shoot for her own work, didn't ask what it was, but she says the photos from it are just as good but she can't take it to gigs because people would think she's not a pro.

And similarly a video editor friend said that they've had some video come in from a $1k or so Sony point and shoot that was similarly totally usable for production, another surprisingly good route to go besides the black magic boxes.

Problem is the technology is getting so much better all around and changes so quick, must be really hard to keep on top of what's current and great.
Ask her what P&S she uses. I'd be surprised it is not an lx100.

This one has a 4/3 sensor cost like $850 kills cameras such as the 60D and rebel ones in many areas and shoots video better then $2k video cameras out there.

I agree that perceptions of an image play a huge part in this vs. what you actually need to meet your needs.
 

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Ask her what P&S she uses. I'd be surprised it is not an lx100.

This one has a 4/3 sensor cost like $850 kills cameras such as the 60D and rebel ones in many areas and shoots video better then $2k video cameras out there.

I agree that perceptions of an image play a huge part in this vs. what you actually need to meet your needs.
I will next time I see her, which probably won't be for a month or two.
All I remember was that I think she said it was a fuji, which surprised me.
 

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i know a professional photographer who has 3 Canon 1dx (about $6K each) and 14 lenses about $40K worth of gear through lease/rental. The one camera he owns is a small digital p&s for vacations and family photos.
 

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As others pointed out I think you can spend less than that and still take great pics. Heck even buy the body for one or two generations behind the most current model and go used and you can save a lot of money. Check out Henry's you can buy older stuff at a discount.
 

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I think the pic was just used to illustrate high res photography. IT is not in any way suggestive of inappropriate behavior with minors.
 

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I think the pic was just used to illustrate high res photography. IT is not in any way suggestive of inappropriate behavior with minors.
Is the lounge searchable on Google? Just to be safe I guess for a hobby review board.
 

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I am a semi-pro photographer and I can tell you with some authority that there is much more to a $4000 to $6000 camera and it's abilities than a p&s... although in certain circumstances, some of the mirrorless, 4/3 outfits and even the little Oyumpus 4G (which shoots RAW) can take a fine photo.

Typically, the very pricey jobs not only have the capability to record a great image, but they are considerably tougher than the consumer models. I own two Nikon D810s. (about $4k each) They're great cameras, but they don't compare to the D4s which retails for over $7K. A lot of the difference has to do with the build of the body and how well it's sealed. My cameras will hold up to dust and moisture far better than say a $500 Nikon, but the D4s is damn near "waterproof"... and by that I mean you can take it out in the rain and be ok for a while, or even drop it into a creek for a moment and probably be ok.

The other big difference is the glass... the lens options... on a good DSLR vs a P&S. That goes without saying.

More expensive cameras will have better sensors (not always "bigger") that have a higher dynamic range than a $500 camera. That gives a competent photographer much more creative freedom.

None the less, many of these little cameras do a nice job and if you're shooting snaps of the kids or cityscapes, they are great. There's an old saying... "The best camera is the one that you have with you!". There are many many great images being made on crap cameras and iPhones for the simple reason that some person with "a good eye" happened to be there.

Ultimately, the camera is just a tool. All things being equal, a photographer can make a better image on a better camera. Similarly, if the photographer lacks skill, you could stick a $30,000 Red camera in their hands and they'll still take a shit pictiure.
 

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I am a semi-pro photographer and I can tell you with some authority that there is much more to a $4000 to $6000 camera and it's abilities than a p&s... although in certain circumstances, some of the mirrorless, 4/3 outfits and even the little Oyumpus 4G (which shoots RAW) can take a fine photo.

Typically, the very pricey jobs not only have the capability to record a great image, but they are considerably tougher than the consumer models. I own two Nikon D810s. (about $4k each) They're great cameras, but they don't compare to the D4s which retails for over $7K. A lot of the difference has to do with the build of the body and how well it's sealed. My cameras will hold up to dust and moisture far better than say a $500 Nikon, but the D4s is damn near "waterproof"... and by that I mean you can take it out in the rain and be ok for a while, or even drop it into a creek for a moment and probably be ok.

The other big difference is the glass... the lens options... on a good DSLR vs a P&S. That goes without saying.

More expensive cameras will have better sensors (not always "bigger") that have a higher dynamic range than a $500 camera. That gives a competent photographer much more creative freedom.

None the less, many of these little cameras do a nice job and if you're shooting snaps of the kids or cityscapes, they are great. There's an old saying... "The best camera is the one that you have with you!". There are many many great images being made on crap cameras and iPhones for the simple reason that some person with "a good eye" happened to be there.

Ultimately, the camera is just a tool. All things being equal, a photographer can make a better image on a better camera. Similarly, if the photographer lacks skill, you could stick a $30,000 Red camera in their hands and they'll still take a shit pictiure.
What do you think of the Nikon D7XXX cameras? I think it represents the cheapest buy in to the largest lens options but not sure who it stacks up in terms of pic quality and build quality. But pricewise it is certain much more affordable and likely more than good enough for a hobbiest. Agreee? Disagree? This is not an area I am well versed in so curious to get some hard core camera guys' opinions.
 

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Is the lounge searchable on Google? Just to be safe I guess for a hobby review board.
Given all the other comments and posts you'd find in the lounge and politics section I'd say there's probably a lot more deleting to do if that is the concern. :)
 

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What do you think of the Nikon D7XXX cameras?
I think they're very good. I had a couple of D7000s before the D810s and they were very nice, but I needed to go to a FF camera. For the price, you can't go wrong. I know the 7100 got great reviews (mainly better low-light capabilities than the D7000, and from what I understand, the D7200 is only a slight tweak from there.) The D810s do have a significantly better dynamic range, but it only matters about 5% of the time.

Back to the original poster... the other thing to consider with any camera with a large sensor.... you will need a significant computer system and storage capacity, as you will routinely be working with files that are 100 MB or more. Mine are bad enough, and I have 6TB of disk space and use a high-end Mac workstation as well as a MacBook Pro Retina for travel. Establish a solid workflow right from the beginning using Lightroom or Aperature and stick to it. I didn't for the longest time, and ended up buried in multiple copies of the same images. I"m still digging out from under the clutter.

It's all great stuff, and it's unfortunate that the stuff is obsolete by the time you figure out the nuances of a new bit of kit.
 
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