Who killed President Kennedy

[GPIDEAL]

JFK, a great President? WTF?

Isn't JFK the one who said: "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

Any of the great dictators -- Mao, Kim, Pinochet, Amin, Gaddhafi, and so on and on -- would have recognized JFK as one of the boys, from those words.

Democracy is "Government of the people, by the people, for the people." Not "Government of the people, by the government, for the government."

The fundamental rule of a dictator government is to serve the dictator. The fundamental role of a democratic government is to serve the people.

If Nixon or Barry Goldwater were President instead of Kennedy, they would have done two things (assuming the U.S. would've survived the first thing after any nuclear confrontation by the Soviets):

1. Provide U.S. air support for the Bay of Pigs Invasion (Kennedy felt that this would've given the Russians an excuse to invade West Germany and escalate the risk of a nuclear war);
2. Invade Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis (Kennedy felt that risking an invasion would've led to a response by the Soviets that could've resulted in global thermonuclear war).
3. Escalated Viet Nam into an all out war instead of wait and see stance. JFK planned for the withdrawal of troops in his National Action Security Memorandum 263, which was effectively revoked by LBJ after JFK's assassination.

So thank JFK for possibly saving your life by avoiding WWIII, and if he had lived, maybe 50,000 Americans would not have died in Viet Nam. http://www.virtualjfk.com/

 

[GPIDEAL]

The good news is he doesn't.

Blackrock, is he even American? I like America and Americans, but can't agree on everything they do, say, think or believe in.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I think Rob Ford's father arranged the hit. He was paying too much for the cars coming in from the U.S.

Maybe Rob Ford is related to Gerald Ford, Warren Commission Committee Member. Connecting the dots, the plot thickens.

 

[onthebottom]

Before or after the assassination? (If before, maybe it was JFK's philandering that caused her to drink).

He was a drunken whore....

 

[blackrock13]

Blackrock, is he even American? I like America and Americans, but can't agree on everything they do, say, think or believe in.

Irrelevant. He spouts shite as if he is and thank goodness he doesn't speak for the majority of Americans.

 

[MrJake]

If this were the Texas Escort Review Board I MIGHT understand this thread, MIGHT. What a waste of disk space.

 

[harryass]

if I tell you, I'll have to kill you. Kapish?

 

[blackrock13]

Thankfully you don't speak for America's little brother either.

Good day gents.

Difference is i don't make sound like a I do.

 

[buttercup]

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."
The fundamental rule of a dictator government is to serve the dictator. The fundamental role of a democratic government is to serve the people.

I believe you are misunderstanding the Quote, it's actually asking people to be more involved in the governance of their own country . quite the opposite of a dictatorship.

Unequivocally clear. How could it be interpreted any other way?

It's been interpreted hundreds of ways. Here's Milton Friedman:

In a much quoted passage in his inaugural address, President Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron; the citizen the ward - a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity; the citizen, the servant or the votary.

To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which the citizens severally strive.

The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather “What can I and my compatriots do through government” to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedoms? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedoms we established it to protect?

 

[gcostanza]

Former Marine U.S.M.C. Sniper Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Period.

L.B.J. as big a jerk as he was was not the ringleader. Neither was Sam Giancana

If that idiot Jack Ruby had not taken matters into his own hands.the court would have found Lee the loser guilty.

The Warren Commision is not the equivalent of O.J. looking for the real killers.

You cannot be this naive?

 

[GPIDEAL]

He was a drunken whore....

Never heard or read that he was a drunk. I do have Dark Side of Camelot but haven't read it.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Irrelevant. He spouts shite as if he is and thank goodness he does speak for the majority of Americans.

That is true (and did you mean 'thank goodness he DOESN'T speak for the majority of Americans?).

 

[GPIDEAL]

If this were the Texas Escort Review Board I MIGHT understand this thread, MIGHT. What a waste of disk space.

It's the 50th Anniversary this November and a current topic anywhere around the world.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Oliver Stone should make a movie about this.

You know long and entertaining with conspiracies in every corner. Short on facts tho.

Wait. He did?

I like how everyone but Oswald killed Poor Kennedy.

You know the KGB/FBI/Dallas Police (Sacrificed one of their own in J.D. Tippitt)/Castro/Anti-Cuban Exiles/KKK/LBJ and The Mafia were all simultaneously involved at one time in the farce of a movie.

Despicable from a would be Yale Grad no less.

P.S. Some of his films WTC/Wall Street 1 and 2/The Doors/Platoon And Born On The 4th of July are good.

JFK would be entertaining if it were fiction but it's not and distorts history badly.

You know what distorts history badly? The Warren Commission Report. The greatest lie ever perpetrated on the American people.

Oliver Stone did take dramatic license with his movie JFK but the main premise is not a lie, that the 35th President was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy involving more than one shooter and most probably one from the front too.

 

[GPIDEAL]

It's been interpreted hundreds of ways. Here's Milton Friedman:

In a much quoted passage in his inaugural address, President Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron; the citizen the ward - a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity; the citizen, the servant or the votary.

To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which the citizens severally strive.

The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather “What can I and my compatriots do through government” to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedoms? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedoms we established it to protect?

LMAO. Milton Friedman was a Republican who served as President Reagan's economic advisory board.


(At least JFK says for citizens not to ask what their country can do for them. His inaugural speech spoke about defending liberty and that "the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.")

 

[blackrock13]

LMAO. Milton Friedman was a Republican who served as President Reagan's economic advisory board.

.... and that make what he said wrong because why?

 

[GPIDEAL]

if I tell you, I'll have to kill you. Kapish?

Sam Giancana was executed mob style before appearing at a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Activities (re: CIA and Mob), but he was not ra according to his godson (read book Crossfire) and believes it was the CIA who murdered him to make it look like a mob hit.

Johnny Roselli (one story is that he was one of the shooters with mob hitman Charles Nicoletti) was hacked to pieces and stuffed inside an oil drum found floating in a Florida swamp).

 

[GPIDEAL]

.... and that make what he said wrong because why?

You're kidding me right?

Buttercup practically is calling JFK a dictator and so doing, quotes Libertarian Milton Friedman who criticizes and maligns JFK who's speech refers to patriotism ('ask what you can do for your country' is right after making a statement about the defence of freedom - perhaps a call to arms although JFK wanted the people to participate and be more active in government too), although it doesn't stop at nationalism but cooperation with other countries toward expanding liberty around the world "My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.").

[One also has to look at the climate of government/society in the 50s and 60s too but many would argue that JFK was ahead of his time in regards to liberty. Reagan vetoed sanctions against South Africa for apartheid. Milton Friedman supported Reagan].

 

[IM469]

Irrelevant. He spouts shite as if he is and thank goodness he does speak for the majority of Americans.

Your determination after careful analysis of Fox News for your American belief baseline ? Need I remind you that their candidate lost the US election ?

 

[blackrock13]

Your determination after careful analysis of Fox News for your American belief baseline ? Need I remind you that their candidate lost the US election ?

Pay attention little one. I've posted many times I seldom watch FOXNEWS. The quote above has an important typo. It should read 'doesn't' speak as my original pot #59 says, as well as my post #72 says. If you going to quote posts, do it correctly.