Why does it seem there's a lot of parallels between the LGBT community and the SW Community, especially how Conservative groups view both communities?

TheQuestion

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Hey guys,

I was researching information on the LGBT community back in the day. It seems a lot of arguments that were used towards LGBT individuals are very similar to those used against SW in modern times. For instance, I read an article from back in the day, the 70s and 80s, where some conservatives say, "Fatherless homes make homosexual sons." It was something along those lines. However, for some reason, Gay male individuals seem to have gathered more and more acceptance as the decades went by. For some reason, they became a group that became both invisible and more accepted. In the 2000s or 2010s, saying someone became gay because of an absent father seems to be a less accepted argument, particularly among more mainstream circles. I'm not sure why this happened exactly. Instead, the focus switched from gay men to trans men. Especially in 2010, it seemed to be accepted or widespread to be "transphobic," you see it in social media.

Likewise, it seems Sex workers, particularly female sex workers, seem to suffer a lot of negativity given to them. For instance, OF models on social media. The main argument brought forth by conservative groups is, "They must come from fatherless homes." Note that this is not necessarily true. For instance, I have read interviews with OF models/Porn Stars who said they came from a home with a mother and father and had no issues with their parents. They just chose that job more for an economic opportunity and because they have liberal attitudes towards sex.

Another similarity I see is that in almost every country, there are LGBT individuals, and there are also SW individuals. What differs is how society views them. In some societies, they have more permissive attitudes, while in others, they have more judgmental attitudes. I am very interested in continuing to research and learning more about these communities.
 

Valcazar

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The most likely basis of the similarity is "it attacks the stability of the traditional family".

A good way to think of social conservatives is to think of them as being more invested in power and hierarchy in the private sphere.
Therefore a strict hierarchical structure of the family tends to be very important to them.
Anything that disrupts that is not to be trusted.
Anything that disrupts is "queer" in the sense of bell hooks...

"Queer not as being about who you're having sex with (that can be a dimension of it); but queer as being about the self that is at odds with everything around it and has to invent and create and find a place to speak and to thrive and to live."

So anything and anyone whose existence implies there is "another way to live and define yourself" is the same sort of threat and is reacted to in a similar way.
 

oil&gas

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It is cool to be supportive of the LGBT community and to be
a part of it. It will present me as the progressive type of guy
concerned with social justice and equality to the society.

The same cannot be said of the SW community. To me the
shame of my hobby of visiting MPs I will bring on myself, if
disclosed to people who know me, will be second only to
the shame of me becoming a born again Christian.
 

richaceg

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Not entirely true...there are extreme conservatives there are moderate..there are crazies on both sides of the aisle ..
 
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oil&gas

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Another similarity I see is that in almost every country, there are LGBT individuals, and there are also SW individuals. What differs is how society views them. In some societies, they have more permissive attitudes, while in others, they have more judgmental attitudes. I am very interested in continuing to research and learning more about these communities.
Were you actually taken by surprise to have found out there are LGBT individuals
in almost every country outside the western world? Human nature and human
biology transcend geographical and cultural differences!
 

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For instance, I read an article from back in the day, the 70s and 80s, where some conservatives say, "Fatherless homes make homosexual sons."
Fatherless homes don't have that effect.

But fatherless homes tend to have serious problematic outcomes (thanks Google AI Overview!):

"Children from fatherless homes often face increased social and emotional challenges, including difficulties with friendships and behavior problems. They may develop a tough or intimidating persona as a way to mask underlying anxieties and insecurities. This behavior is often a coping mechanism to deal with the absence of a father figure and the associated feelings of fear, resentment, and unhappiness.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Social Adjustment:
    Fatherless children may struggle with social interactions and forming lasting friendships.

  • Behavioral Issues:
    They may exhibit behaviors like aggression, defiance, or withdrawal, which can be a manifestation of their emotional distress.


  • Coping Mechanisms:
    The "swaggering, intimidating persona" is a common coping mechanism. It's a way for these children to project an image of strength and confidence to hide their true feelings.


  • Underlying Emotions:
    This persona often masks underlying fears, resentments, anxieties, and unhappiness stemming from the absence of a father figure.


  • Impact of Father Absence:
    Research indicates that father absence can have significant impacts on a child's development, particularly in areas of social and emotional well-being, as highlighted by Psychology Today and the Canadian Centre for Men and Families"

FWIW, all those thugs shooting each other in Toronto and elsewhere are the products of single mothers. Just a statistical reality.

Even among escorts, you can usually determine by their behaviour which ones have fathers versus those that came from fatherless homes.

Fathers are a stabilizing and guiding factor in the development of fully functioning humans.
 
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DesRicardo

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You're painting the picture to your own liking. Why does everything get thrown onto being conservative?

In the 70s and 80s, Liberals rejected gays as well. Things didn't change until gay people started lobbying.

And then the concept of growing up "without a father" has and continues to be seen as a disadvantage to children. The nuclear family model is the ideal situation.
 
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There are also parallels in that many SW’s are a part of the 2SLGBTQ+ community, or count themselves as allies at the very least. The shared stigma etc… makes for understanding and support even among many straight SP's

On a side note there was a thread here years ago about great interactive duos, and the best girls who liked to have threesomes with clients and a girlfriend. Some of the guys posting about wanting the truly interactive experience with 2 bisexual girls were also critical of the gay community, pride etc… in other threads.

The hypocrisy was astounding.
 
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richaceg

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It's 2SLGBTQ+ now
LGBTQ are a thing of the past now...they're no longer the cool kids....remember there are hundreds of genders and non-binaries are spearheading it...

 
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