Why don't all the players say f****** to the NHL and start another Canadian league?

[JohnLarue]

For the next generation of players. Many of these players won't be around for the full duration of the next agreement, some won't be around for half of it, heck some may not have a job when they begin again. But they have to fight for what they have. If they surrender too much now they won't have anything to protect next CBA.

The PA is not a union, despite this common misconception. If it were a union, then these players would have their job secured for many more years, salaries would be relatively equal and all that.

The PA wants their players to get as much as they can because a high tide raises all ships. The more the top guy gets, the more the bottom guy gets. This isn't about the Sydney Crosbys getting more money, it's about the Tyler Bozaks.

The league got the salary cap they wanted. They got the rollback. They won the last lockout. It cost Bob Goodenow his job! The owners got the financial stability they claimed they needed. But they stupidly put in the salary floor which forced teams to spend more than they could. They didn't foresee owners giving out 15 year deals to circumvent the salary cap.

When this next CBA comes about, the teams will find a way around it and the league will cry poor again and need the players to take even more of a cut. That is why the players are rightfully fighting against this.

If you think the current players give a rats ass about the next generation you are on glue
Hell they will sign a deal pushing a team to the cap, knowing another player on their team ( and in the NHLPA) will need to get bought out, reassigned or traded in order to make the deal work.
Do not let this: All of one , one for All BS fool you. This is greed at its most simplest form.
The owners are offering 50% of revenues the players want 60%, dispute the fact the owners assume all financial and operational risk

If Phoenix, Florida , Tampa etc goes tits up the owners loses millions, the players lose what 25 members ?
Get use to that scenario if the players win this battle

If ever I saw a deal that one should grab and run , it is the one the players get half of the $ for playing the game they love and taking absolutely no financial or operational risk.

But no they want 60%

 

[MayDay Malone]

If you think the current players give a rats ass about the next generation you are on glue

You are right, they do not. I am not suggesting the players do care, but the PA HAS TO for its own existence. The current players do not give a shit about anyone about themselves which is why there will never be a secret ballot vote as Don Cherry suggests.

But the PA has to already be thinking about the CBA after this CBA they are presently negotiating.

 

[frankcastle]

I don't think it would work.

Revenue comes from merchandise, seats, TV deals and advertising. So I think they would have to pay lower salaries to get things to work. In which case why not agree with the owners.

The new league would also have the issue of finding a place to play as the owners of the NHL probably wouldn't let the new league use their rinks.

 

[splooge]

why? because the players want more than what the NHL is offering... which, by the way is more than any other league available or could be made available to them.

I once remember a bunch of wrestlers left the WWF for supposedly more $$$. well, how'd that work out for them? after a while almost all of them either retired or came back to the WWE for their old jobs.

 

[alwayslooking]

How's this for an idea. Put teams where people actually are interested in and like hockey. The players are routinely being asked to bail both the owners and Bettman out of their harebrained schemes to put the NHL in markets that do not and will not ever give a fuck about hockey except for the odd time one of those franchises makes a playoff run.

 

[Simon Snow Blower]

The new league would also have the issue of finding a place to play as the owners of the NHL probably wouldn't let the new league use their rinks.

Aren't the majority of NHL arenas funded by the city? If so I don't see how the NHL can have any say as to who plays in them.

 

[shack]

If the players started their own league, they would then become owners and guaranteed there would eventually be disputes over money.

You can't change human nature.

 

[erotq]

I tend to always agree with the owners. They should be allowed to make money too.

 

[thuggoe]

nhl is trying to blame players for their own mistakes (bad tv deal, over expansion, perpetual lock-outs) They have the worst commissioner in pro sports. Its time they get rid of bettman and contract some teams and start playing so i can watch the penguins

 

[shack]

nhl is trying to blame players for their own mistakes (bad tv deal, over expansion, perpetual lock-outs)

The whole idea of getting a CBA that is fair to both sides is a process, not a one time deal.

No CBA will be perfect but the next one can be better and next one after that. Everybody and every body makes mistakes. They pay for those mistakes (going to jail for a crime, bad contracts for the owners for a bad CBA) but they usually do not pay for them for eternity. We have chances to correct our mistakes.

The players can/should easily see they benefitted from the last agreement. Time to let the pendulum swing back a bit.

The same as they should see that being "right" has nothing to do with squandering chunks of their limited careers against the owners who have enough time and money to easily outwait them. They have zero chance of "winning" but if they want to cut off their noses to spite their faces by getting a deal they consider fair, so be it. Most of their noses have been broken anyways.

 

[thuggoe]

I dont think the players ever get a chance to agree because they are locked out before the negotiation starts. These arrogant tactics show the poor management of the owners and commissioner. That's my point, the league is mismanaged. Its not the players fault. The players have every right to respond negatively because they need owners to fix their management problem.

 

[shack]

These arrogant tactics show the poor management of the owners and commissioner. That's my point, the league is mismanaged. Its not the players fault. The players have every right to respond negatively because they need owners to fix their management problem.

To repeat a previous post, just because the owners were mistaken in thinking that the previous CBA was equitable does not exclude them from trying to get it better the next time. Everybody knows that once a CBA expires, the next one will have some changes. That's just the way it is. It's a process. It changes after each CBA. If it wasn't supposed to be this way a CBA would be permanent.

Your reasoning is flawed.

 

[elwoodinontario]

There is already a Canadian Hockey League. It's the largest feeder of players to the NHL. It comprises 3 seperate leagues, the Ontario, Quebec, and Western Hockey Leagues. The hockey is high-caliber, most tickets are $20 or less, and you don't ned to suffer the corporate crowd. There are 3 CHL teams in the GTA, with another 3 within an hours drive. Give it a try.