Will Bush Bomb Iran
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Originally Posted by danmand
Priceless: Mamoud requests that Blair refrains from punishing the
british soldiers because they told the truth about entering iranian waters.
Those captured knew where they were and admitted it.
RN ships were only minutes away. Were they in Iraqi waters their capture would not have taken place, they would have been protected.
However if they were in Iranian waters, well they were on their own, hence were caught.
This of course would be followed with the expected Brit 'spin, doctored documents & denials' you were provided.
Got to hand it to you Aardy you like bot are quite skilled in the arts of obfuscation.
Kudos to you(s)
You probably both work in government, or for Team 'w'.....
Priceless: Mamoud requests that Blair refrains from punishing the
british soldiers because they told the truth about entering iranian waters.
This still doesn't square with why RN 'field grade' officers and other RN marines among the 15, would confess to being in Iranian waters in less than 24 hours of captivity!Aardvark154 said:
Those captured knew where they were and admitted it.
RN ships were only minutes away. Were they in Iraqi waters their capture would not have taken place, they would have been protected.
However if they were in Iranian waters, well they were on their own, hence were caught.
This of course would be followed with the expected Brit 'spin, doctored documents & denials' you were provided.
Got to hand it to you Aardy you like bot are quite skilled in the arts of obfuscation.
Kudos to you(s)
You probably both work in government, or for Team 'w'.....
Actually, I didn't find that deal at all astonishing, I actually expected something like it, BECAUSE the Iranians held all the cards and they obviously had a plan from the beginning; which we can be sure was not to imprison 15 British seamen for seven years, nor was it to provoke war with Britain. What then?danmand said:
The captives had value as bargaining chips, but only if the chips were used before their value timed-out. They rigged the game from the start (it now seems) with an objective in mind, and then played everyone skillfully to that end gain.
Timing is everything. Ahmadinejad's 'gift' finale was a masterful stroke of using the media to built the scene up to a crescendo, gaining the maximum benefit from an engineered spectacle and then in what seems in hindsight like a perfect moment, he laid the winning hand on the table and claimed the prize.
The very last thing (IMHO) the Brits wanted was to have to take action militarily to save face. That was not in the cards and the Iranians had calculated that correctly into the bargain leveraging Britain's need to save face brilliantly.
The fact that the Brits are allowing their sailors to sell their stories to the media, if it weren't so truly British, would be the most bizarre scene of all the theatrics, but its really just the perfect icing on the cake.
As an aside, I think the more of his personality Ahmadinejad injects into this clash between 'we' and 'they', the better the Iranians will fare. So far, he seems to be doing an excellent job of it.
Honestly I have to say at the moment I wouldn't comfortably betting one way or the other. While there is no doubt in my mind your crazies want to be real men and expand the conflict into a real war, and have geared toward it, I wonder now if they can pull it off. The opposing school of thought buys into the brinkmanship argument. Perhaps they cannot face the reality. Whatever the argument, the potential energy for war is increasing daily and the flash point can occur in so many different ways.onthebottom said:
I haven't had two minutes to spare in the last three months and thus missed most of the recent detailed play-by-play. However, I heard a report yesterday which made me think back to a dark time I recall all too well. It was the time of the Cuban missile crisis. My classmates and I were on our hands and knees drilling the crouch-under-the-wooden-desks routine to somehow protect us from a nuclear blast. At such a tender age we boys stood in the school yard day after day arguing amongst ourselves about the blast range, and could it actually reach us or not; and whether it was true that if we looked up at the sky would our eyeballs melt. It's the feeling of terror I remember more than the threating images of mushroom clouds showing endlessly on the B&W living room tube on our one snowy channel delivered through rabbit ears.
The report i heard yesterday stated that over 50% of the population of Iran is certain they are soon going to be bombed with nukes by the US. Those days, the villain in the global drama was Russia of course, the evil Communists. These days its the US, the evil Capitalists; at least for some 80 million human beings, people no different than myself in all the ways that count.
Fear makes people act in irrational ways. I feel for those kids having to live under this same nightmare and its lasting negative effects. They are hostages under a terrible siege. I am sad the generation which came after mine has no concept of this fear. They think of themselves as untouchable and they are emboldened by some obsolete concept of 'winning' and of victory. They feel nothing for humanity whatsoever.
As a society we are doomed to repeat the mistake of war it seems, probably a recurring theme until the final mistake is made. Your guy is just the type to make that last mistake I reckon. He seems to long for the opportunity in fact. Its a hard thing to bet in favour of frankly.
Many people in the US see this role reversal also, where many around the world view the USA as the USSR was viewed in the past and want no part of it.Mcluhan said:
Remember policy of the team 'w' 'crazies' represents a very small minority in the USA. About 80% oppose the war mongering, fear promoting paranoia of Team 'w'.
Barack Obama said something that really struck me last night, when he was chatting with David Letterman.WoodPeckr said:
He said what I think many people around the world, and on this forum, feeels, namely that we expect more of the USA.
When I grew up, the USA was the beacon of freedom and hope for the world.
That is the reason we react so strongly against the current behaviour.
Exactly!danmand said:
I remember those days also!
Back then we used to be the 'good guys'!
Sadly Team 'w' reversed all that in a few short years!.....
Although I would not only blame GWB. The downward slide has been noticeable for a long time, with the US supporting dictators all over the world and assasinating popular leaders. But I think that most people uip until a decade ago was willing to give the US the benefit of doubt. Not anymore.WoodPeckr said:Exactly!
I remember those days also!
Back then we used to be the 'good guys'!
Sadly Team 'w' reversed all that in a few short years!.....
Now the VP shoots his friends in the face. And who would have thought the US would embrace the concept of preventive war.
If you go back you will note that most of those things happened during GOP administrations, they were the one's that created/spawned most of these problems, Reagan and both Bushs going back to 1980.danmand said:
Dems were more or less put in a position of reacting to things the GOP set into action. Face it the next POTUS is left with a nightmare situation to deal with.
totally agree....the israelis, if they're convinced of an imminent attack, will nuke the 'persians'.frasier said:
That probably was the plan this time around!FOOTSNIFFER said:
Dubya would have problems to outright attack Iran, so they probably agreed to let Israel kick this one off.
From the extreme heat neocon Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is taking right now in Israel, it looks like he may be having some problems following through.
This was started on September 24th...... what predictive skills.
But now my Clinton thread is only the second most views on the first page
OTB
But now my Clinton thread is only the second most views on the first page
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Well things SELDOM, if EVER goes the way Team 'w' plans them ..... no?.....onthebottom said:
It seems there are those still around with saner heads managing to throw a monkey wrench into the war planning of Team 'w'.
At least this thread is more pertinent than that silly ancient history Clinton thread!!!
Ehud Olmert under pressure to Resign
Neocon Ehud Olmert can't wait to attack Iran.
Saner heads in Israel want this lunatic Ehud, booted out![/i]
Israeli FM seeks Olmert's resignation
By ARON HELLER, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago
JERUSALEM -
Israel's popular foreign minister on Wednesday called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to step down and said she would seek to replace him — becoming the highest-ranking official to call for his resignation following a harsh report criticizing his handling of last year's war in Lebanon.
"I told him that resignation would be the right thing for him to do," said Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who is best placed to succeed Olmert as leader of the Kadima Party — and possibly as prime minister.......
Neocon Ehud Olmert can't wait to attack Iran.
Saner heads in Israel want this lunatic Ehud, booted out![/i]
Israeli FM seeks Olmert's resignation
By ARON HELLER, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago
JERUSALEM -
Israel's popular foreign minister on Wednesday called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to step down and said she would seek to replace him — becoming the highest-ranking official to call for his resignation following a harsh report criticizing his handling of last year's war in Lebanon.
"I told him that resignation would be the right thing for him to do," said Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who is best placed to succeed Olmert as leader of the Kadima Party — and possibly as prime minister.......
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April 30, is past. No bombing. Looks like Bush has been contained. If Olmert gets booted Israel will stop pushing. Tony Blair is gone in 7 days. EU
Looks hopeful at this point in time but we are not out of the woods yet.enduser1 said:
Who knows what 'Tonkin Gulf incident' is being concocted as a pretext to kick off attacks on Iran......
Cheney 'is' going to bomb Iran. He has to, he can, and therefore he will. Its his mandate from above and he has the power, despite this theater we witness by the dems who are self-neutered. Its that simple. There is talk of Generals resigning if the exec command is given. I don't believe for one second they will stand in the way. For one, it will happen quickly, the media will be playing catch up. generals resigning will be mute, and for sure they won't be navy commanders. there is an eager second in command, always. Again, this is more show.WoodPeckr said:
There will be a trigger event. And it will be on Amerika's soil in my opinion and most probably London and the US simultaneously. This is a prediction I am making on the basis of probability and ear to the ground through public channels. I just want to make it clear I have no forehand knowledge of any such event. I'm just a regular guy with a normal sized tinfoil hat, nothing dangerous in intent to the empire, or its current fascist leaning executive. It's my opinion which I still have a right to express....so far that is.
You can interpret a certain flow of events by the info released into the media pool. A key indicator in my bizarro world was Michael Weir coming on CNN this week in defense of staying in Iraq for 8 more years. He's been bought off somehow, or extorted on some level. It impossible for me to imagine him speaking the words he spoke and him believing in them. He sided 'firmly' with the regime and against public opinion, shilling the party line. The only thing I imagine, is that they got to him either with a threat to a woman or child he cares for or something worse. I can't accept money as the payoff.
Until this week i had absolute total respect for Weir's honesty. His shift is significant. He has been weaponised. It indicates a serious effort in prepping for things already set in motion. Weir clearly implicated in no uncertain terms Iran as a dangerous regional perpetrator in an interview reeking with the foul scent of intellectual dishonesty. His sellout is a warning signal for me, like the tree tops ruffling slightly, then leaning prolonged before the blow.
Quack-headed political analysts like myself who engage in this gig for a hobby are not expected to be accurate. Its the pulse we seek to describe. Draw your own conclusions.
Israel is preparing their public for a war with Syria. Russia is indicating war paint is a natural conclusion to events related to the missile defense aggression. I give the case 3 months to heat up.
Its a guess on timing of course, but war is nonetheless imminent.
