Will Bush Bomb Iran
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There is a political build-up against Iran going on, its plain to see. The passing of the Senate amendment 97 votes to none against etc. There are forces working over-time to launch the war against Iran. Where are the counter forces? Will sanity prevail? its unlikely. I don't know about August, but its inevitable it will come.
All this talk of Armageddon made me hungry for some strange reason, so before I go grab a bite to eat some thoughts:
Why doesn't some crazy liberal just go and kill/assassinate Bush and Cheney? Or will what unleash apocalypse as well? I'm too young to have the world end damn it!!!
Why doesn't some crazy liberal just go and kill/assassinate Bush and Cheney? Or will what unleash apocalypse as well? I'm too young to have the world end damn it!!!
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enduser1
Admiral Fallon said "There would be no attack on Iran on his watch". Look for a resignation as a sign. Also the General Petreaus in Iraq said pretty much the same thing so look for him to be redeployed to Alaska if an attack is to take place.Mcluhan said:
Also, since the Congress will say no look for Israel to strike.
EU
The US will never conquer anything because they don't have the strategy skills necessary for that. The art of war does not feed on Manichean ideology.
If they could just put their ego away for a few seconds, they'd stick to their support and logistics role where they can't be beaten.
Unofficial but reliable source: the US would be building 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and a bunch of nuclear submarines. Follow the lead and the money trail.
If they could just put their ego away for a few seconds, they'd stick to their support and logistics role where they can't be beaten.
Unofficial but reliable source: the US would be building 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and a bunch of nuclear submarines. Follow the lead and the money trail.
US boosts Gulf naval presence
More ominus signs of attack preparations......
Embattled Bush seeks to shore up Iraq support
Mark Tran
Tuesday July 10, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2122857,00.html
US announced it was sending the aircraft carrier the USS Enterprise to the Gulf to 'replace' the USS Nimitz.
The US Navy said in a statement that deployment of the carrier provided "navy power to counter the assertive, disruptive and coercive behaviour of some countries, as well as support our soldiers and marines in Iraq and Afghanistan".
Earlier reports said the USS Enterprise would boost the US naval presence in the Gulf to three carrier battle groups. But the US Navy said routine deployment of the Enterprise constituted no change to the region as it was a straight swap with one of the other groups.
"It's a routine deployment of the Enterprise and does not portend changing US policy that calls for keeping two carriers in the region," a US Navy spokesman, Bryan Whitman, told reporters, according to the Bloomberg news agency.
"There are two in the region right now," Mr Whitman said. "Has the department made a decision for three carriers in the gulf? No."
More ominus signs of attack preparations......
Embattled Bush seeks to shore up Iraq support
Mark Tran
Tuesday July 10, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2122857,00.html
US announced it was sending the aircraft carrier the USS Enterprise to the Gulf to 'replace' the USS Nimitz.
The US Navy said in a statement that deployment of the carrier provided "navy power to counter the assertive, disruptive and coercive behaviour of some countries, as well as support our soldiers and marines in Iraq and Afghanistan".
Earlier reports said the USS Enterprise would boost the US naval presence in the Gulf to three carrier battle groups. But the US Navy said routine deployment of the Enterprise constituted no change to the region as it was a straight swap with one of the other groups.
"It's a routine deployment of the Enterprise and does not portend changing US policy that calls for keeping two carriers in the region," a US Navy spokesman, Bryan Whitman, told reporters, according to the Bloomberg news agency.
"There are two in the region right now," Mr Whitman said. "Has the department made a decision for three carriers in the gulf? No."
Side bet: this thread has 181 people voting for and against. When the poll tally hits 200, the first stealth will clear the runway with a load and drop it.
Tel Aviv Cranking Up the War Hype
With everyone going on 'vacation' perhaps this is the ideal time to attack Iran.....
Israel's envoy to U.S.: Free world is under attack by Iran - Haaretz - Israel News Start the war hype.
Meridor is telegraphing that Israel is planning some kind of military strike against Iran, and probably sooner rather than later, to maximize US administration support before the end of the Bush administration.
And Bush, on his part, has pledged to support Israel militarily, no matter who starts the next conflict.
And to those attending - and supporting such efforts as "Christians United for Israel", if you really knew what most Israelis think of you, you would be mortified.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883947.html
With everyone going on 'vacation' perhaps this is the ideal time to attack Iran.....
Israel's envoy to U.S.: Free world is under attack by Iran - Haaretz - Israel News Start the war hype.
Meridor is telegraphing that Israel is planning some kind of military strike against Iran, and probably sooner rather than later, to maximize US administration support before the end of the Bush administration.
And Bush, on his part, has pledged to support Israel militarily, no matter who starts the next conflict.
And to those attending - and supporting such efforts as "Christians United for Israel", if you really knew what most Israelis think of you, you would be mortified.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883947.html
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Hi,WoodPeckr said:
If the Israeli's knew that those Pentecostal End Times Ejection Seat Christians believe that in the Rapture "the Book of" ten thousand Christians and ten thousand Jews would be saved while the rest get to burn in Hell, the Israeli's would pick different allies. President Ama-jama-jing-jong of Iran would leave more alive. The real tragedy here is that attacking Iran is a bad idea. So bad it looks like even the Congress is able to figure out it's a bad idea.
EU
Bump.....time for an update
More War on the Horizon
By Paul Craig Roberts
08/23/07 "ICH" --- -- No pullout from Iraq while I’m president, declares George W. Bush.
On to Iran, declares Vice President Cheney.
Israel is a “peace-seeking state” that needs $30 billion of US taxpayers’ money for war, declares State Department official Nicholas Burns.
The Democratic Congress, if not fully behind the Iraqi war, at least no longer is in the way of it.
Nor are the Democrats in the way of the Bush regime’s build up for initiating war with Iran.
The Bush regime says it is going to designate part of Iran’s military--the Revolutionary Guards--a terrorist organization, whose bases and facilities Bush intends to bomb along with Iran’s nuclear energy sites. Three US aircraft carrier strike forces are deployed off Iran. B-2 Stealth Bombers are being fitted to carry 30,000 pound “bunker-buster” bombs to use against hardened sites. Politicized US generals assert that Iran is providing arms and aid to the Iraqi resistance to the US occupation. The media is feeding the US population the same propaganda about nonexistent Iranian weapons of mass destruction that they fed us about nonexistent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. A former CIA Middle East field officer, Robert Baer, has written in Time magazine that the Bush regime has decided to attack the Revolutionary Guards within the next 6 months. Remember the “cakewalk war”? Well, this time the neocons think that an attack on the Revolutionary Guards will free Iran from Islamic influence and cause Iranians to back the US against their own government.
Lies, unprovoked aggression, and delusional expectations--the same ingredients that produced the Iraq catastrophe--all over again. The entire Bush regime and both political parties are complicit, along with the media and US allies.
According to Baer, the Bush regime has given no consideration to whether Iran’s response to a US attack might be different than to welcome it as liberation. What if Iran really were to arm the Iraqi resistance and/or to sink our aircraft carriers? How can any government, even one as incompetent, delusional and unaccountable as the Bush regime, initiate war without any thought to the consequences?
The Bush regime’s planned war against Iran casts light on the large increase in military armaments that the US is supplying to Israel. With Iraq in chaos and civil war, an attack on Iran leaves as opposition to Israel only Syria and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Israel cannot finish off the Palestinians until Hezbollah is destroyed. An Israeli attack on Syria while the US attacks Iran would leave Hezbollah without supplies in the face of a new Israeli attack.
The agenda unfolding before our eyes may be the neoconservative/ Israeli/Cheney plan to rid the Middle East of any check to Israeli territorial expansion.
Nicholas Burns said that the $30 billion in military aid was not conditional on any Israeli concessions or progress toward resolving the conflict with the Palestinians. Israel’s ghettoizing and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian West Bank proceeds apace.
Meanwhile in America, while more money is poured into more war, condemned bridges collapse killing Americans who trusted their government to provide safe infrastructure. Devastated residents of New Orleans remain unaided. Financial difficulties deepen for more Americans as falling home prices and jobs lost to offshoring push more Americans into desperate straits. The US dollar continues to fall as the government’s war debts build up abroad.
Except for the armaments industry, where is the gain to America in Bush’s wars? Before Bush invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban had stamped out drug production. The US invasion has brought it back.
On August 22 Bush told the Veterans of Foreign Wars that US troops are the “greatest force for human liberation the world has ever known.” Tell that to the 650,000 dead Iraqis and the 4 million displaced Iraqis, and the tens of thousands of slaughtered Afghans, and the coming civilian deaths in Iran. Tell that to all the bombed civilians from Serbia to Africa who are blown to pieces in order that a US president can make a point. Bush goes far beyond George Orwell’s “Newspeak” in his novel, 1984, when Bush equates US hegemony with liberation.
America’s hegemonic hubris is a sickness. A country that tolerates a war criminal while he openly plans to attack yet another country is definitely not a light unto the world.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
More War on the Horizon
By Paul Craig Roberts
08/23/07 "ICH" --- -- No pullout from Iraq while I’m president, declares George W. Bush.
On to Iran, declares Vice President Cheney.
Israel is a “peace-seeking state” that needs $30 billion of US taxpayers’ money for war, declares State Department official Nicholas Burns.
The Democratic Congress, if not fully behind the Iraqi war, at least no longer is in the way of it.
Nor are the Democrats in the way of the Bush regime’s build up for initiating war with Iran.
The Bush regime says it is going to designate part of Iran’s military--the Revolutionary Guards--a terrorist organization, whose bases and facilities Bush intends to bomb along with Iran’s nuclear energy sites. Three US aircraft carrier strike forces are deployed off Iran. B-2 Stealth Bombers are being fitted to carry 30,000 pound “bunker-buster” bombs to use against hardened sites. Politicized US generals assert that Iran is providing arms and aid to the Iraqi resistance to the US occupation. The media is feeding the US population the same propaganda about nonexistent Iranian weapons of mass destruction that they fed us about nonexistent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. A former CIA Middle East field officer, Robert Baer, has written in Time magazine that the Bush regime has decided to attack the Revolutionary Guards within the next 6 months. Remember the “cakewalk war”? Well, this time the neocons think that an attack on the Revolutionary Guards will free Iran from Islamic influence and cause Iranians to back the US against their own government.
Lies, unprovoked aggression, and delusional expectations--the same ingredients that produced the Iraq catastrophe--all over again. The entire Bush regime and both political parties are complicit, along with the media and US allies.
According to Baer, the Bush regime has given no consideration to whether Iran’s response to a US attack might be different than to welcome it as liberation. What if Iran really were to arm the Iraqi resistance and/or to sink our aircraft carriers? How can any government, even one as incompetent, delusional and unaccountable as the Bush regime, initiate war without any thought to the consequences?
The Bush regime’s planned war against Iran casts light on the large increase in military armaments that the US is supplying to Israel. With Iraq in chaos and civil war, an attack on Iran leaves as opposition to Israel only Syria and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Israel cannot finish off the Palestinians until Hezbollah is destroyed. An Israeli attack on Syria while the US attacks Iran would leave Hezbollah without supplies in the face of a new Israeli attack.
The agenda unfolding before our eyes may be the neoconservative/ Israeli/Cheney plan to rid the Middle East of any check to Israeli territorial expansion.
Nicholas Burns said that the $30 billion in military aid was not conditional on any Israeli concessions or progress toward resolving the conflict with the Palestinians. Israel’s ghettoizing and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian West Bank proceeds apace.
Meanwhile in America, while more money is poured into more war, condemned bridges collapse killing Americans who trusted their government to provide safe infrastructure. Devastated residents of New Orleans remain unaided. Financial difficulties deepen for more Americans as falling home prices and jobs lost to offshoring push more Americans into desperate straits. The US dollar continues to fall as the government’s war debts build up abroad.
Except for the armaments industry, where is the gain to America in Bush’s wars? Before Bush invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban had stamped out drug production. The US invasion has brought it back.
On August 22 Bush told the Veterans of Foreign Wars that US troops are the “greatest force for human liberation the world has ever known.” Tell that to the 650,000 dead Iraqis and the 4 million displaced Iraqis, and the tens of thousands of slaughtered Afghans, and the coming civilian deaths in Iran. Tell that to all the bombed civilians from Serbia to Africa who are blown to pieces in order that a US president can make a point. Bush goes far beyond George Orwell’s “Newspeak” in his novel, 1984, when Bush equates US hegemony with liberation.
America’s hegemonic hubris is a sickness. A country that tolerates a war criminal while he openly plans to attack yet another country is definitely not a light unto the world.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
..rumour also has it that Rove and Snow both got out becuase they knew what was coming. Bush is worse then a war criminal, he is incompetant.
Comes from being able to rely on daddy all your life.Now it seems he thinks God is gonna step in and bail him out.
Comes from being able to rely on daddy all your life.Now it seems he thinks God is gonna step in and bail him out.
After about 20 minutes of reading this crap, you guys really must quit using drugs. Some of you are just delusional. Bush is no more going to attack Iran than your aunt will be your uncle tomorrow. He is so busy trying to fill in the swamp, he forgot he went to Iraq to kill the Gators. There is No WAY IN HELL for anyone in the adminstration nor the Pentagon that would be actually thinking attacking Iran is doable. The stakes are too high, and the reward is too low. They knocked out Saddam in less than 2 weeks. They KNOW Iran is a bad idea, and you cant just attack gently.
As for the Isreali's...well, if Iran actually points the missle towards Tel Aviv, well all bets are then off....
As for the Isreali's...well, if Iran actually points the missle towards Tel Aviv, well all bets are then off....
maxweber said:
Well it really has been a two party system as I understand it since the first state of the union address. So you care to elaborate on whom this dark horse and what party got the war chest to back. America is a two party system and an attack on Iran with Democratic support will not change that. It can open the door to a possible third emerging party. Our neighbour two the south is a Democrat or Republican system and if the two ever start to support one foreign affair’s policy rest of the world in trouble.
unanimity
I was just speculating that the two parties might finally push the electorate too far. Not likely; but perhaps not impossible?
MW
I think that is just what has happened, Tiffany. (Welcome to the TERB, by the by!) Indeed, despite the Boland Amendment, that goes back to Reagan. Ever since 1980, the Democrats have been largely invertebrate. Gore Vidal put it sardonically, but well, I'm afraid: The U.S. presently has only one political party, with two right wings..Tiffany_69 said:
I was just speculating that the two parties might finally push the electorate too far. Not likely; but perhaps not impossible?
MW
$4.5b bet on another 9/11 within 4 weeks....
as prelude to attack on Iran.......
Some investors made a bundle betting on 9/11.
Looks like history is repeating.....
August 26, 2007
$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks
CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.
There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.
The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!
Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.
THEORIES:
The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:
1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;
2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
"$1.78 Billion Bet that Stock Markets will crash by third week in September Anonymous Stock Trader Sells 10K Contracts on EVERY S&P/Y "Strike" Shorts Stocks "in the money" effectively selling all his SPY holdings for cash up front without pressuring the market downward.
This is an enormous and dangerous stock option activity. If it goes right, the guy makes about $2 Billion. If he's wrong, his out of pocket costs for buying these options will exceed $700 Million!!! The entity who sold these contracts can only make money if the stock market totally crashes by the third week in September.
Bear in mind that the last time anyone conducted such large and unusual stock option trades (like this one) was in the weeks before the attacks of September 11.
Back then, they bought huge numbers of PUTS on airline stocks in the same airlines whose planes were involved in the September 11 attacks.
Despite knowing who made these trades, the Securities and Exchange Commission NEVER revealed who made the unusual trades and no one was ever publicly identified as being responsible for the trades which made upwards of $50 million when the attacks happened.
The fact that this latest activity by a single entity gambles on a complete collapse of the entire market by the third week in September, seems to indicate someone knows something really huge is in the works and they intend to profit almost $2 Billion within the next four weeks from whatever happens! This is really worrisome."
as prelude to attack on Iran.......
Some investors made a bundle betting on 9/11.
Looks like history is repeating.....
August 26, 2007
$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks
CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.
There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.
The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!
Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.
THEORIES:
The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:
1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;
2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
"$1.78 Billion Bet that Stock Markets will crash by third week in September Anonymous Stock Trader Sells 10K Contracts on EVERY S&P/Y "Strike" Shorts Stocks "in the money" effectively selling all his SPY holdings for cash up front without pressuring the market downward.
This is an enormous and dangerous stock option activity. If it goes right, the guy makes about $2 Billion. If he's wrong, his out of pocket costs for buying these options will exceed $700 Million!!! The entity who sold these contracts can only make money if the stock market totally crashes by the third week in September.
Bear in mind that the last time anyone conducted such large and unusual stock option trades (like this one) was in the weeks before the attacks of September 11.
Back then, they bought huge numbers of PUTS on airline stocks in the same airlines whose planes were involved in the September 11 attacks.
Despite knowing who made these trades, the Securities and Exchange Commission NEVER revealed who made the unusual trades and no one was ever publicly identified as being responsible for the trades which made upwards of $50 million when the attacks happened.
The fact that this latest activity by a single entity gambles on a complete collapse of the entire market by the third week in September, seems to indicate someone knows something really huge is in the works and they intend to profit almost $2 Billion within the next four weeks from whatever happens! This is really worrisome."
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Woody I wonder if it isn't a different 911 call. Countrywide Financial recenlty burned through an eleven billion dollar line of credit in a single day, on a bank run. How does the Federal reserve transfer massive sum of money to a bank without doing some kind of bail out? One answer might be to sell in the money call options to the market, Wink Wink Nudge Nudge, and the Fed buys them. Presto, the money is transferred. No harm no foul until one day the market moves in the wrong direction and the bank that sold those calls is now not just bankrupt. It is spectacularly bankrupt and unable to deliver.
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