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oil&gas

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So you are saying the earth isn't flat and smoking isn't good for you ? That goes against everything else you have stated. Do you believe that over 90% of the scientific community is wrong and some crackpot scientist is right because you want to believe what he says ? Is taking vaccines wrong ?
Your personal physician who was also a medical scientists told you your
addiction to cigarettes was going to kill you while he and his colleagues
were smoking two packs a day like a chimney. Would that make you skeptical
of smoking being a primary cause of cancer?
 

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Why would you believe two crackpots over hundreds of thousands of scientists? I'm seriou, if you believe burning fossil fuels is of no harm to humans put your lips around your exhaust pipe and prove it to me.

these are not 2 crack pots
they are extremely experienced scientists
Richard Lindzen is a form er IPCC contributor and has authored over 200 climate related papers



if you believe burning fossil fuels is of no harm to humans put your lips around your exhaust pipe and prove it to me.
this is a ridiculous argument a child would make
grow up

CO2 is the gas of life
without CO2 all life on the planet would ciest to exist
 

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Rebel Media is satire, yet right-wing nuts think it's journalism.

and you prefer state sponsored biased media that pretends it is objective


case in point it took a decade of complete incompetence by Justin Trudeau and a complete melt down of his polling numbers before state funded media finally start to question his so called leadership

that is not satire, it something far more evil and destructive
 

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these are not 2 crack pots
they are extremely experienced scientists
Richard Lindzen is a form er IPCC contributor and has authored over 200 climate related papers
They are paid by the oil industry to spread disinformation and confusion so that the oil$gas industry can keep selling their products, even if it screws the planet.
They are no different than the '5 of 10 doctors prescribe tobacco' lobbyists of the last century.

The question is why you think you are so much smarter than NASA when you can't even understand the basics of the greenhouse effect.
 

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and you prefer state sponsored biased media that pretends it is objective


case in point it took a decade of complete incompetence by Justin Trudeau and a complete melt down of his polling numbers before state funded media finally start to question his so called leadership

that is not satire, it something far more evil and destructive
Accurate personality description:
The research from Dalhousie University in Halifax found people who are more skeptical about climate change are more likely to rank higher on scales of narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy — traits that reflect a tendency to be self-centred, manipulative, callous and socially aversive.

Canada spent $8 billion paying for the destruction from oil$gas last year.
 

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these are not 2 crack pots
they are extremely experienced scientists
Richard Lindzen is a form er IPCC contributor and has authored over 200 climate related papers




this is a ridiculous argument a child would make
grow up

CO2 is the gas of life
without CO2 all life on the planet would ciest to exist
So why does over 90% of the scientific community believe you are a fool ? What research have you done to conclude that thos person is correct and everyone else is wrong ? I find it amusing that MAGAts will scour the internet to find some lunatic theory who supports
these are not 2 crack pots
they are extremely experienced scientists
Richard Lindzen is a form er IPCC contributor and has authored over 200 climate related papers




this is a ridiculous argument a child would make
grow up

CO2 is the gas of life
without CO2 all life on the planet would ciest to exist
Your extreme confirmation biased is amusing. You scour the internet to find crackpot theories which support the idiotic rambling of the $ypreme AyaTACOllah. Literally everyone in the world understands that pollution is not good for thr environment and that increased C02 levels deplete the ozone and causes global warming which leads to polar ice caps melting and extreme weather. Everyone knows that plants convert C02 into oxygen. People like you believe that C02 is not harmful to people or thr environment yet you seem to be barely cognitive enough to understand thst you shouldn't put your mouth around your car exhaust for some reason. I don't understand your attempt at logic
 
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and you prefer state sponsored biased media that pretends it is objective


case in point it took a decade of complete incompetence by Justin Trudeau and a complete melt down of his polling numbers before state funded media finally start to question his so called leadership

that is not satire, it something far more evil and destructive
Let's take a look at your attempt to form an argument :

A - Justin Trudeau stepped down as a leader
B - someone wrote that C02 is good for plants
Therefore global warming is a hoax.

Makes perfect sense to idiots
 
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and you prefer state sponsored biased media that pretends it is objective


case in point it took a decade of complete incompetence by Justin Trudeau and a complete melt down of his polling numbers before state funded media finally start to question his so called leadership

that is not satire, it something far more evil and destructive
Did it ever occur to you that countries like Qatat and Saudi Arabia gave thr Trump family billions of dollars and were rewarded with pro fossil fuel policies ? Also that scientists may have been paid large sums of money to support the false narrative thst pollution isn't bad, just the same as cigarette companies dis in the 80s ?
 

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They are paid by the oil industry to spread disinformation and confusion so that the oil$gas industry can keep selling their products, even if it screws the planet.
They are no different than the '5 of 10 doctors prescribe tobacco' lobbyists of the last century.

The question is why you think you are so much smarter than NASA when you can't even understand the basics of the greenhouse effect.
you are incredibly stupid

the oil & gas industry does not need to spread your so called bullshit dis-information to sell its products

the demand for FF is robust and growing

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you are only fooling yourself

these are not 2 crack pots
they are extremely experienced scientists
Richard Lindzen is a form er IPCC contributor and has authored over 200 climate related papers
 

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So why does over 90% of the scientific community believe you are a fool ? What research have you done to conclude that thos person is correct and everyone else is wrong ?.........
According to climate science 'research' we are very close to
the point of no return in climate change if it has not been breached
already. Impending global climate catastrophe can only be averted by
drastic reduction of global carbon emission by as much as 50% no
later than 2030. Otherwise nothing done beyond 2030 will make
any meaningful difference on the course of climate change. That
is if carbon dioxide emission level is not brought down to near
half of what it was around the years when Harper was in charge
or when Trudeau came to power by 2030 you would better sterilize
yourself and/or your kids to prepare for the extinction of humanity.

Curious to know if you are dumb enough to buy that science BS?

BTW, I am a research scientist too. I must have crossed path with
more climate scientists than most of you. In Toronto we have some
of the nation's finest climate modellers in at least one of the 3 universities
and in Environment Canada. Find an excuse to talk to those scientists.
You may be surprised by how optimistic they are on Earth's climate future.
 

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Let's take a look at your attempt to form an argument :

A - Justin Trudeau stepped down as a leader
B - someone wrote that C02 is good for plants
Therefore global warming is a hoax.

Makes perfect sense to idiots

you have the mind of a child

the argument is 400 ppm CO2 does not control our exceptionally complex and dynamic climate system
It never has, does not and never will

the anthropogenetic global warming propaganda is a hoax.
 

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Did it ever occur to you that countries like Qatat and Saudi Arabia gave thr Trump family billions of dollars and were rewarded with pro fossil fuel policies ? Also that scientists may have been paid large sums of money to support the false narrative thst pollution isn't bad, just the same as cigarette companies dis in the 80s ?
Same way trump is trying to legislate back coal at the behest of oil billionaires, which will raise electricity prices 30% to his voters.

 

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you have the mind of a child

the argument is 400 ppm CO2 does not control our exceptionally complex and dynamic climate system
It never has, does not and never will

the anthropogenetic global warming propaganda is a hoax.
The Greenhouse Effect is high school level science.

Even your oil funded propagandists accept that the Greenhouse Effect is real.
None of them would hold such an idiotic view.

Its amazing how climate change deniers have been predicting the warming will stop for 30 years, have never been right and still you think they know what's going on.
 

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The Greenhouse Effect is high school level science.

Even your oil funded propagandists accept that the Greenhouse Effect is real.
None of them would hold such an idiotic view.

Its amazing how climate change deniers have been predicting the warming will stop for 30 years, have never been right and still you think they know what's going on.

you are not very bright

nobody has claimed infrared radiation is not absorbed/ emitted

this visual explaining the saturation effect implicitly states infrared radiation is absorbed

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you are not bright enough to distinguish between absorption and catastrophic anthropogenetic global warming
they are two very different phenomena

one is fundamental physics the other is evil hysterical propaganda
 

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you are not very bright

nobody has claimed infrared radiation is not absorbed/ emitted

this visual explaining the saturation effect implicitly states infrared radiation is absorbed

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you are not bright enough to distinguish between absorption and catastrophic anthropogenetic global warming
they are two very different phenomena

one is fundamental physics the other is evil hysterical propaganda
larue, you love to claim that the way to prove science is legit is through experiment.
If your chart were true, the global temperature should have dropped by about 0.1ºC since 1900 or so.

Instead the planet has warmed about 1.5ºC, so clearly that prediction is total bullshit.
So why do you keep posting it if its clearly really, really wrong?

Here's the measurements of what has been happening, CO2 and temp increase together.

 
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Senate Hearing Exposes China’s Role In Backing Climate Lawsuits Against U.S. Energy
The Senate Judiciary Committee exposes how CCP-funded lawfare is targeting America's energy industry.



The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is financially backing left-wing climate lawfare in the United States, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach, and dark money expert Scott Walter revealed the shady details while testifying before a Senate subcommittee on Wednesday. [emphasis, links added]



The hearing, titled “Enter the Dragon—China and the Left’s Lawfare Against American Energy Dominance,” was held by the Subcommittee on Federal Courts, Oversight, Agency Action and Federal Rights, dug deep into how China has funded the push for progressive courts and to weaken American energy production, following a bombshell State Armor report exposing Energy Foundation China’s (EFC) ties to the CCP.

Cruz, the chairman of the subcommittee, introduced the background of what he deemed “a systematic campaign against American energy”:

There is a coordinated assault by the radical left, backed and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party, to seize control of our courts, to weaponize litigation against U.S. energy producers, all in order to undermine American energy dominance.
At stake is a lot more than an industry. Our energy sector is the engine of American prosperity, the lifeblood of our industrial power, our national security and our geopolitical leverage.
If American energy is under attack, so is American security and American independence.
According to Cruz, this campaign is a “three-pronged” approach.

“First, foreign money from entities tied to the Chinese Communist Party flows into the United States to bankroll climate advocacy groups who litigate against American energy,” the senator said in his opening remarks.

“Second, activist lawyers flood our courts with lawsuits designed not to win policy debates, but to bankrupt energy producers and to dismantle energy infrastructure through sheer attrition.


“And third, the judiciary itself is being quietly captured and brainwashed as left-wing nonprofits host closed-door trainings that indoctrinate judges to adopt the ideological goals of the climate welfare machine,” he explained.

State Armor, an organization focused on the threat posed by the CCP, detailed how the EFC, while posing as a U.S. nonprofit operating in China, is “functionally a Chinese entity.”

EFC, controlled by CCP members who were involved with the Paris Accords while operating under the supervision of the regime’s security services, has funneled upwards of $12 million to “aggressive litigation outfits” that routinely file lawsuits trying to block pipelines, ban gas-powered vehicles, and bankrupt oil and gas companies on paper, Cruz said.

Such organizations include the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Rocky Mountain Institute, and the World Resources Institute.

Cruz continued, “Energy Foundation China’s goals may sound [like] benign support for Clean Coal, electric vehicles, and global decarbonization, but that raises the obvious question: If this is truly about reducing emissions, why isn’t China investing that money and reducing its own pollution?

“China is the number one polluter on planet Earth.”

The report also revealed that EFC has given grants to premier American universities, including Harvard; the University of California, Berkeley; the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA); and the University of Maryland.

In addition, EFC “provided support” in 2023 for an event featuring California Governor Gavin Newsom (D)’s visit to China, and later hosted a forum called the “China-US Subnational Cooperation” in Nanjing with Chinese and American officials to trade insights on climate action.

In Kobach’s opening remarks, he concurred with President Donald Trump’s recent executive orders that highlighted the “growing challenge” that “environmental lawfare” poses for American industry as it “drives up energy costs.”

“It also weakens our national security and places us at a strategic disadvantage with respect to our adversaries in China,” the attorney general said.

While he noted that he has greater experience in litigation on climate issues over connections to the CCP itself, he argued that it is “evident that China’s asymmetric warfare against the United States extends to our nation’s courtrooms and state legislatures.”

“The CCP plainly has a strategy of driving the United States away from domestic energy sources and increasing U.S. dependence on sources that rely on a Chinese supply of solar panels, electric vehicle batteries, and other technologies.”

The lawsuits are frequently unsuccessful, but still result in significant consequences for Americans, Kobach said.

“This litigation, while sometimes based on valid legal claims, in most instances failed in the courtroom but nonetheless increased costs for consumers and taxpayers.”

Walter, who serves as president of investigative think tank Capital Research Center, argued that “America’s enemies, especially Russia and China, are pleased when we hobble our energy sector.”

They want to be in a stronger economic position, whether selling Russia’s natural gas in Europe or selling China’s “green” technology in America. This fact shouldn’t be controversial. Hillary Clinton, presumably based on intelligence reports she saw as Secretary of State, famously said that “a lot of the money” supporting messages against fracking came from Russia. The New York Times has reported on the beliefs of leaders in countries like Romania and Lithuania that Russia and its state-owned Gazprom oil company have fueled anti-fracking activists in Europe.
The dark money expert and former special assistant to President George W. Bush for domestic policy went on to share just how deeply the CCP is invested in the green energy sector:

Even the Brookings Institution, in an article that applauds “Accelerating the clean energy revolution by working with China,” confesses, “There is no question that the world has become too dependent on China, especially in the raw ingredients of the clean energy economy.”
Just Facts Daily observes that “China dominates the global supply chains for green energy components not merely because of cheap labor but because they have lax environmental standards that tolerate the pollution these products create. Thus, China supplies 78 percent of the world’s solar cells, 80 percent of the world’s lithium-ion battery chemicals, and 73 percent of the world’s finished battery cells.”
Heavy subsidies by our federal government and others have helped produce these Chinese economic windfalls by distorting markets and artificially boosting consumption.
Walter, the author of Arabella: The Dark Money Network of Leftist Billionaires Transforming America, gave the subcommittee several examples of such billionaires, some foreign and some domestic.

“…And many of these billionaires have the same last name: Foundation. Especially notable are the Hewlett Foundation and various Rockefeller philanthropies, but there are many more, including the Ford Foundation and the MacArthur Foundation,” he told the senators.

“This helps to explain why a tally of only a few of the leading climate lawfare groups totals revenues of a half-billion dollars a year.”

Walter cited State Armor’s report, saying the EFC “regularly sends grants directly to CCP-controlled agencies in China, including the National Center for Climate Change Strategy, the Chinese Academy of Environmental Planning, and Chinese Academy of Sciences,” and it partners with Chinese governmental entities like the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Ecology and Environment, Tsinghua University, and the Tongzhou District People’s Government of Beijing.”

“On the other hand, it also sends money to flagship American universities like the University of California, Berkeley, UCLA, and Harvard, and it supports studies praising mandatory electrification policies in Berkeley and Brookline, Massachusetts.”

The Climate Judiciary Project (CJP), a left-wing influence operation that disguises itself as a neutral educational venue for judges, runs programs for judges about climate change and lawsuits, and it is funded by the same groups that bankroll climate lawfare suits, Walter said.

These activist academics, tied to climate plaintiffs as advisers, amicus filers, or public supporters, shape CJP’s “educational materials” for judges.

Throughout the hearing, Ranking Member Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) continually dismissed the witnesses’ and Cruz’s points, calling it a “perfect display of projection.”

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