With the recent ruling: Expect to start paying more. Say goodbye to BBBJ

[dogpile]

I was really hoping the ruling would of been against the decriminalization
of prostitution, please read the following before hitting me with a terse
reply.

I (like many here probably) have seen/been around over the years
(Seen a lot of incalls over the decade, a lot has changed),
this topic (legalization) was something I'd occasionally ask and this is
what I found out:

- SP's hate the internet. They hate the rampant competition, instant
reviews that can hurt their reputation and most importantly: Prices
keep going down. In 2000, it was not uncommon to pay $250 for a BBBJ,
and that was a huge deal back then...today? You can get it for $80-120

The legalization (in my opinion) will mean the following:

- The media will ramp up into high gear trying to portray every 'independent' SP as being
some 'runaway youth being exploited by dirty old men to feed her crack habit' and
soon the public will demand for: (here it comes): CITY-BYLAWS

Give it 3-5 years and UNIONIZATION will rear it's ugly head.

- Price. Governments will naturally find ways to introduce licensing/fees to drive the
cost of starting up an incall to $10,000 or higher. Cops will crack down on 'unlicensed
providers' and eventually most SP's will realize that it's simply easier to charge $300-400hr
than to face an undercover cop/penalties/jail time.

- The feminists ("health advocates") will clamp down with an endless series
of badgering 'tests', and constant harassment of SP's to use rubbers, avoid BBBJ'ing.
This naturally will mean a steady decline of those SP's offering it because they'll
realize the additional hassle now that it's legal. So expect to pay $50-100 more for a BBBJ.

Again, this is where Unionization will become a tempting route because a legal system
now exists...oh sure, it's not 'pimping', but in every respect...it is.

Summary: Expect to pay double/triple, get less in terms of service and basically having sex
with these SP's will be like getting your driver's license renewed. Come to think of it,
I wouldn't be surprised if a city-bylaw made it mandatory to submit photo I.D.'s to an escort...which of course it's just a matter of time for these names to end up on the internet (Divorce lawyers will love that).

Now who wants to do that (submit photo I.D.)?

This sucks so bad....I'm sure non-SP women will love it, because that means men will no
longer have an 'escape' from them and will instead have to stay in 'blueball' relationships.

:closed_2:

 

[mightymouse007]

I don't think that would be the case. That be a major inflation. It's not going to be sustainable for most men. Look at the stripper industry. That industry gone completely downhill.

 

[dogpile]

I don't think that would be the case. That be a major inflation. It's not going to be sustainable for most men. Look at the stripper industry. That industry gone completely downhill.

Strippers have gone downhill because for the cost of "4-6 lap dances" you can spend half an
hour with an incall who will drain your cojones and do it with a smile.

I talked to a lot of strippers, they all hate it that most men are simply going online to get tail.

As if my heart weeps for them though...

I notice a lot of strippers now are trying to offer 'extras' in the booths like a CBJ but they'll charge
$300 to do it. (crazy)

The prices will go up if a city-bylaw enforces licensing/fees. Even if escorts wanted to price compete,
they'll quickly realize that they'll simply end up making far less than to pass on the additional costs
to the end client.

 

[Never Compromised]

Dogpile is probably thinking very rationally.

Barrie and Windsor already require escorts, drivers, agency owners to be licensed. Expect Toronto to follow suit. Cost of a license to run an agency will probably be in the 5K to 10K a year mark. Cost to be a driver will be in the range of $200 - $1000 a year. Cost to be an escort will be in the range of $200-$1000 a year. Mandatory police checks and health checks. Cost of quarterly medical exams.

Also, add HST to every transaction.

Also, add income tax. With a regulated industry, girls will have to pay income tax. And you if you think girls that are currently taking $100-$300 an hour to be with you are going to be happy taking home $50-150/hr, you are kidding yourself. The cost of all the taxes will be passed along to the consumer.

I"m guessing that many "indy" girls will give up on hotels and just want to see 2 or 3 clients a day from home. But only 2 or 3 clients means that price per service will actually go up, as indy girls try to maintain cash flow while seeing fewer clients.

The big winner with this ruling is the government.

 

[sp free]

Or it will be like it is in New Zealand and parts of Australia.

Safe. If bbbj is so important, get a girlfriend.

 

[LKD]

Based on my experience living in European countries where prostitution is regulated and where many of the points you've outlined are in fact practicedd, you are over-reacting and your assumptions are all wrong.

Regulation will not necessarily mean every freaking SP is going to bow down to the government. This isn't like the liquor or tabacco industry where the government or few industries become the sole supplier or manufacturer and have a strong hold in every area. Sure most SPs would love it if all girls played by the rules but this industry works behind doors. There will always be illegal activities taking place.

SPs charging $300-$400 or any ridiculous amount they desire doesn't necessarily mean guys will fork it out and see them, while contributing to prices being pushed much higher. Just like the case today, there are some SPs who charge $500 while some charge $80. Guys who have the money will go see the high-end SP, while some won't even bother nor are tempted to if the SP isn't in the guy's price range. There will always be women whose rates are on either of the two extremes. Its all dependent on supply and demand, and to a greater extent the average wages in the country. Infact, I think regulation of this industry might increase the number of SPs available since girls who were hesitant in getting into this trade now won't have to worry about the consequences of taking part in an activity that was previously considered illegal. More SPs means more supply which could only push the prices down.

My experiences from living in European countries which had high costs of living did mean there were SPs whose rates were over the roof. However, there wasn't a single country where there were no girls available for a fraction of the rates agencies were charging. You just have to know where to look.

INDY's will always be around.. don't you worry about that. In a big country like Canada with the shortage of police, they have better things to do than go check up on every indy that pops up on the escort directory. lol

 

[Partyman1970]

In Europe were there is no fear of getting a criminal record, the girls are of better quality & more students working their way through University. Also many areas in Europe there is more girls providing bbfs.

 

[sasemohan123]

Don't forget that the SPs and agencies have the option of keep going THIS same way as has been!!!!!

There is no need to jump the gun and make all kind of justifications for them to raise the price YET. UNIONIZED, what a joke!

I think the ruling only says that it is no longer a crime to hobby or SP'ing, nothing about the licensing.

 

[oldjones]

Right. We all know that opening markets, decreasing regulation and increasing supply drives up prices.

 

[Tony321]

License and registration, lol I wonder how many SPs will do that?

 

[fun-guy]

Just like any service industry for cash, the underground economy will thrive in this industry. Some income will be reported but not all. Think of contractors, barbers, massagists, etc....

Still wondering how unionization fits into all of this............don't see how this will happen........who's the employer the ladies will be protesting against.... government, agency owners???? lol, I finid this comical actually.

Way over thinking I suspect on this topic.

 

[Libra]

Oh don't people just love being Nay Sayers

BTW I live in Barrie and the price of an outcall escort per hour is $160.

So I will make it short and spicy; People will not pay for over inflated prices. If escort rates go to $350 an hour there will either be someone else to take the place (can you say Ni Hao) or there will be less demand.

Funny how all the Nay Sayers somewhere else thought being negative was the best educated guess and said all three issues would be struck down.

Your wrong, this IS NOT Poonageddon.

 

[chouka]

I may be totally wrong but I think we can expect that yes the prices will indeed go up and service will go down, at least for the places that are fully legit. By-laws will come into play, no level of governement will want to be seen as not protecting people by ignoring this and more likely they will want a peice of the profits , licenses and fees, taxes and public scrutiny are all going to come into play for sure and as we well know the minute you have government regulate anything well the prices go up (I'm not saying that there are not good side to goverment involvments just that it usually cost money) So I can see someting like the Nevada situation come to be... Tacky brothels, High level or restrictions and rules,mediocre SP at a high price. Then it all depends on how serious the Governement is at enforcement. If they are serious the bottom of the industry will fall out and cheap incalls will disappear. Leaving the deperate SPs and the crime controlled SPs to fill the void. I'm doubfull of the europeen model applying here because of the stardard of living diffenrences. Canada enjoy's quite a large middle class compared to europe where there tend to be more lower income classes(In part fueled by immigration legal and illigal from eastern europe and north africa. Sadly more poor people = more women ready to join the SP ranks at a lower price. In canada it is market driven and if the price rise at the top of the trade they will also at the bottom. Of course I may be totally wrong. I can also see a future where the government does not enforce the laws or only makes a token effort (Like today) and all could very well remain the same. Anyways those are just my musing on the subject. Not having crystal balls I have no way of seeing the future so I will just enjoy my hobbying now and hope for the best later!

EDIT: Just tought of something else! We still need a Supreme Court ruling before anything will move on this so things could change or remain the same as now but no matter what we have years of waiting in limbo before anything happens! Hopefully LE will be quite tame until a ruling happens.

Cheers!

 

[punter]

I disagree. Competition for your hobbying $$$$ is fierce, right now, and has been for the last few years. The backpages are full of amateurs trying to make quick $$$. Now days, every SP does BBBJ and many do CIM, which was rare 10 years ago. I can't see services dropping or prices increasing, especially with the Asian competitors.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Hobby guru's take note...

The strip club business has priced itself into oblivion. And it killed that business model.

Nuff said...

 

[DELETDrileydaniels]

Wth the current ruling it does not automatically mean things will change the rule is not even fully effected yet, for living of the avails they have 30 days to make it active or come up with an appeal, working indoors running a bawdy house/incall they have a year to come up with an appeal or figure out what they want it look like. then with communicating they struck that down so that is still illegal. whcih puts the vulnerable sex workers at risk. 2 out of 3 changes in the law hasn't change the way most of us operate business.

the law is now realizing they are ignoring a profitable business. Just because we now open their eyes to make the government they have been alienating a good part of thier society doesn't mean things are going to change for how we run our businesses. I am hoping since they are now thinking indoor is ok they aren't going on this stupid trip of bylaws and zoning. when they haven't even been invovled in my life or business for how many years.

As for what is going on in new zealand and australlia there are many indy's out there who dont like the laws of how things are operate and they are consulting trying to review and improve them as the years go by. canada just finally realized they need to wake up.

maing it legal does not automatically mean everyone will pay taxes and some of who are sps already pay taxes as it is so its not like those who were paying taxes are going to stop.

 

[punter]

If it's legal, SPs would have to pay tax. I'm sure they wouldn't want to pay tax. I think everything will stay the same.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Dogpile is probably thinking very rationally.

Barrie and Windsor already require escorts, drivers, agency owners to be licensed. Expect Toronto to follow suit. Cost of a license to run an agency will probably be in the 5K to 10K a year mark. Cost to be a driver will be in the range of $200 - $1000 a year. Cost to be an escort will be in the range of $200-$1000 a year. Mandatory police checks and health checks. Cost of quarterly medical exams.

Also, add HST to every transaction.

Also, add income tax. With a regulated industry, girls will have to pay income tax. And you if you think girls that are currently taking $100-$300 an hour to be with you are going to be happy taking home $50-150/hr, you are kidding yourself. The cost of all the taxes will be passed along to the consumer.

I"m guessing that many "indy" girls will give up on hotels and just want to see 2 or 3 clients a day from home. But only 2 or 3 clients means that price per service will actually go up, as indy girls try to maintain cash flow while seeing fewer clients.

The big winner with this ruling is the government.

Maybe you're right.

However, $10K per annum is cheap for a thriving agency. It may be more expensive for indies but then, you don't have to work in fear, and therefore, make oneself available more.

Also, more girls might come out of the woodwork and add to the supply.

So, it still is hard to predict.

 

[wetnose]

Service industries are quite unique compared to conventional businesses because it's quite easy to get away with not paying tax, (i.e. evasion) as long as fees are paid in cash and don't go into a bank account.

Conventional businesses (e.g. Tim Hortons) have inventory, which more or less relate to sales.

 

[TeasePlease]

Decriminalization isn't what I fear will bring about price increases or service restrictions.

It's the potential for unionization.

Escorting is a prime example of exploited labour.