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With the recent ruling: Expect to start paying more. Say goodbye to BBBJ

Cobra Enorme

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Service industries are quite unique compared to conventional businesses because it's quite easy to get away with not paying tax, (i.e. evasion) as long as fees are paid in cash and don't go into a bank account.

Conventional businesses (e.g. Tim Hortons) have inventory, which more or less relate to sales.
Hopefully we'll get a brothel set up like a Mcdonalds. We can walk in, look up at the menu, and tell the girl with the headset behind the counter that we want a large breast sandwich and a fille-o-fish
 

Cobra Enorme

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seriously, the goverment wants their share of the action. This is going through. It wont go to the supreme court. We're all fucked cause these skanks are going to tack on the 40% the goverment adds to their prices and they wont eat the costs like they eat our sperm.
 

dogpile

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The breakdown of the ruling (Globe and Mail article)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-ontarios-prostitution-ruling/article2382166/

In brief:

1. Hookers can hire bodyguards next month

The upshot: Twenty-nine days from now, prostitutes will be able to hire drivers, escorts or security guards to protect them.
This means you'll now be paying for two types of head...the head you want from a hooker and of course overhead charges.

2. Brothels legal next year

The upshot: The decision comes into effect after one year. Prostitutes and entrepreneurs can then operate brothels subject to municipal regulations. Prostitutes can conduct transactions with clients without fear of criminal charges.
That's the key thing right there MUNICIPAL regulations. Don't squawk when the city by-laws come marching in.

i told you so.

And yeah, street prostitution is still illegal, because that really cuts out the 'middle man'(big brother)
from getting his share of the cut.

I know a lot of you guys enjoy deepthroat, well how about this deepthroat: FOLLOW THE MONEY
 

CapitalGuy

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Go to Alberta and you will see similar structures already in practice. Massage parlours in Edmonton and Calgary are all full service spas. There is NO question in a hobbiest's mind as to whether he will get laid in a massage parlour. He will. They are brothels. They pay fees to the city in order to provide non-therapeutic massage services and the ladies working there all have to be registered. When there are police raids in Edmonton and Calgary, it is not because sex is taking place; it is because they police were tipped off that there were unregistered girls working at a particular spa.

Registration ensures the ladies are of age, and since the registration has to be done in person at a city licensing office, it allows officials to confirm that the girls aren't exploited or trafficked, that they are becoming MPAs of their own volition. Ditto for escorts. Yes, a woman in Edmonton can get an escort licence. The City will give her permission to escort out of her apartment. Her apartment!! The more reputable ones will put their licence number in their ads so hobbyists don't have to fear a raid during their session, since the girl is legal.

So, the cops know that there is sex taking place in the MPs around town, but they also know that the ladies are safe, that there is recourse should a crime take place on the premises, and that the spa owners have a huge incentive to keep things clean and crime free (they could lose their licence if they don't).

FS at a spa in either city runs from $250 - $400 for an hour. Incalls are $200 and up.

Yes, this is in Alberta. Its not as bible-belt as you think! This is actually a progressive approach, n'est ce pas?? Check PERB for details and reviews.
 

hesitant

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Unions don't operate that way, what they'll do is go to the hotels downtown Toronto and tell the
owners: If we find you renting out rooms to independents, we'll boycott your establishments. If you
play ball with us, we'll rent out a whole wing/floor and turn it into a brothel. That means a solid flow of
income.


Most hotels would play ball. Also, it's a matter of optics. Independent escorts would rent whatever hotel
room is available...that means a hotel could have escorts scattered all over the place, a Union can ensure
that all the escorts will be on one floor.

Hotel owners can then tell families "We offer prostitute free floors"
Sorry to disagree, but hotel chains will not allow sex work to be publicly promoted as occurring in their premises, therefore no way Unions can muscle in on such territory so to speak. They have value proposition for the hotel or the workers under such an arrangement. Most of the world are still such prudes... and will boycott any hotel openly doing business as a brothel... get real.

Two, most unions have nothing to offer an intelligent provider, and she has a lot to lose in return. Most will be indies with high end condos, they will be discreet.

Three you forget the competition act, just like any industry association must avoid the optics of price fixing so too would a group of sex workers, because the govs may tolerate sex work one day, but they will be vigilant for any offense they can publicly prosecute.
 

hesitant

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-ontarios-prostitution-ruling/article2382166/



This means you'll now be paying for two types of head...the head you want from a hooker and of course overhead charges.

Huh, well isnt that funny, every provider I ever saw already had a driver/bodyguard and the other usual overhead... which I already have been paying for. The only change is now the driver doesn't have to worry about getting busted for living off the avails. Dude how long have you been in the hobby?
 

dogpile

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Huh, well isnt that funny, every provider I ever saw already had a driver/bodyguard and the other usual overhead... which I already have been paying for. The only change is now the driver doesn't have to worry about getting busted for living off the avails. Dude how long have you been in the hobby?
What's the average cost of those escorts with bodyguards/drivers?

I rest my case.
 

hesitant

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What's the average cost of those escorts with bodyguards/drivers?

I rest my case.
So what sort of skanks do you see and whats their rate? I'd hazard a guess from the sound of things that you do low rent car call blow and goes, so hey no worries mate they will never unionize... I rest my case Hahaha
 

dogpile

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So what sort of skanks do you see and whats their rate? I'd hazard a guess from the sound of things that you do low rent car call blow and goes, so hey no worries mate they will never unionize... I rest my case Hahaha
Thanks for answering a rather basic question.
 

dogpile

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Sorry to disagree, but hotel chains will not allow sex work to be publicly promoted as occurring in their premises, therefore no way Unions can muscle in on such territory so to speak. They have value proposition for the hotel or the workers under such an arrangement. Most of the world are still such prudes... and will boycott any hotel openly doing business as a brothel... get real.

Two, most unions have nothing to offer an intelligent provider, and she has a lot to lose in return. Most will be indies with high end condos, they will be discreet.

Three you forget the competition act, just like any industry association must avoid the optics of price fixing so too would a group of sex workers, because the govs may tolerate sex work one day, but they will be vigilant for any offense they can publicly prosecute.
I hope you're right, however if there's an 'angle' to make a $$, Unions will form/find
a way to harass/exploit it now that it's legit. It won't be defined as 'pimping' but
instead be classified as some 'health organization/certification board'.

It's really a matter of what type of b.s. someone wanting to form a Union can
spin on the public (with the media always too ready to be of help). Something
as simple as claiming "We make sure our members are given routine medical checkups
and that all services are provided in a safe/secure environment."


Of course escorts will have to pay a 'fee' to be join this organization...to the tune
of thousands or more. Those who don't, will be harassed/coerced.

Towns/cities facing this will simply pass a bylaw to ensure escorts are
under some "Unionized Local"

Maybe I am being a defeatist, but I just can't picture all the money being exchanged
daily, to go unnoticed by politicians/activists out to make a buck.
 

oldjones

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I hope you're right, however if there's an 'angle' to make a $$, Unions will form/find
a way to harass/exploit it now that it's legit. It won't be defined as 'pimping' but
instead be classified as some 'health organization/certification board'.

It's really a matter of what type of b.s. someone wanting to form a Union can
spin on the public (with the media always too ready to be of help). Something
as simple as claiming "We make sure our members are given routine medical checkups
and that all services are provided in a safe/secure environment."


Of course escorts will have to pay a 'fee' to be join this organization...to the tune
of thousands or more. Those who don't, will be harassed/coerced.

Towns/cities facing this will simply pass a bylaw to ensure escorts are
under some "Unionized Local"

Maybe I am being a defeatist, but I just can't picture all the money being exchanged
daily, to go unnoticed by politicians/activists out to make a buck.
Are your other fantasies usually shelved in the Humour sections of bookstores or the Childrens' Fairytales? Very imaginative.

Or did you mistakenly use the word 'union', when you meant trade association, which is the way most business people prefer to describe the organizations they use to set prices and standards?

Unions do similar things, but their relations are with their employers, not customers of their employers. The recent ruling still leaves pimps as outlaws.

About one thing, I'm sure you are right: People "…will find every angle to make a buck". We actually praise that trait as the very basis of capitalism; without it our whole system will collapse. So I'm sure pimping will persist. And I am equally sure we'll value the efforts of legitimate associations in the sector to help suppress them. As we do in all other commercial activity.
 

Jennifer_

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The independents that operate now will just continue with life as we already know it. Nothing will change in my work life - I operate discretely now and I'll continue to do so if all these changes actually come into effect. You better believe I won't be re-locating to a brothel or a red light district lol.

I can't speak in regards to agencies - massage parlours are already licensed (as are the attendants), a hj has already been ruled not to be a sexual act a few years ago but the bawdy house law was often used to hassle MPs (charges were always dropped from what I've seen)- most girls I worked with back in my massage days had no interest in providing more than a bodyslide.... (of course we know MPs vary in what is offered). I really can't see much changing in the indy world or the MP world.

I think some of you are really worrying over nothing.
 

DigitallyYours

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The independents that operate now will just continue with life as we already know it. Nothing will change in my work life - I operate discretely now and I'll continue to do so if all these changes actually come into effect. You better believe I won't be re-locating to a brothel or a red light district lol.
I think some of you are really worrying over nothing.
But it would make setting up duos so much easier!
 

dogpile

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The independents that operate now will just continue with life as we already know it. Nothing will change in my work life - I operate discretely now and I'll continue to do so if all these changes actually come into effect. You better believe I won't be re-locating to a brothel or a red light district lol.
Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts. However the main point of the post was in regards
to BBBJ'ig. I've been doing some research on Australia's decriminalizing (since 1992) and
last year it became a campaign issue to make condom usage mandatory.

For me, it's not really BBBJ'ing that's the issue, it's the fact that government wants to dictate
how people have sex.
 

dogpile

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About one thing, I'm sure you are right: People "…will find every angle to make a buck". We actually praise that trait as the very basis of capitalism;
Big difference between free market capitalism and Crony capitalism.

The independent escort who rents an apartment and puts up an ad on the net is
probably the purest of free marketers. People who rally politicians for bylaws
in the name of 'safety' are looking for an angle to harass the indies.

I know you'll say "Croneyism has been around forever", you are right in lots of
industries, but for escorting? With this new decriminalization ruling, you'll get
a lot of new laws specificially made to make agencies/organized groups more money
(and less services)...while indies will face a growing trend of harassment from all
sectors.

Had the ruling of been: Consenting adults are allowed to do whatever they want for whatever
amount with zero regulation.


I would of had no complaint, it's the term "Brothel" that
sets it up all for a legal quagmire of city-bylaws/political posturings.
 

afterhours

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The independent escort who rents an apartment and puts up an ad on the net is
probably the purest of free marketers.
But if you with your daughters live next door it doesn't sound as pure anymore, does it?
 

dogpile

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afterhours
But if you with your daughters live next door it doesn't sound as pure anymore, does it?
Unless I see an assembly line operation, I'd politely suggest she keep it more discreet otherwise there would be some obvious unspoken consequences.
Translation: Giorgio Mammoliti's got your vote.
 
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